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decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20020 Posts
October 25 2019 04:31 GMT
#4401
My buddy ruptured his Achilles and had surgery 90 days ago. He's a lifting coach (and national level lifter) and has his masters in kinesiology and has been documenting his recovery. He's already doing box jumps, squats, and Olympic lifts again. He's also in his mid 30s so not exactly his prime recovery age so it's pretty impressive to watch, don't think he's taken more than a couple days off some sort of athletic training during the whole process.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
phyre112
Profile Joined August 2009
United States3090 Posts
October 25 2019 23:02 GMT
#4402
Trevor Jaffe, one of the powerlifting coaches I follow on Instagram recently did something very similar after a torn hip adductor back in August. Interesting to follow, key take-home for me for recovery was to just to keep moving and to push the limits just barely beyond what's comfortable.
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6213 Posts
October 28 2019 18:42 GMT
#4403
That's what I've heard too.

I'm super scared of tearing my achilles since it's a massively long recovery time. For any tendon though, active recovery seems to be the way to go as long as you don't push it hard enough to do more damage. I'd be super hesitant about doing shock loading through it though with box jumps (depth jumps?), that seems like an insane thing to do on a tendon that's tenuously attached
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-11-14 18:29:22
November 13 2019 06:32 GMT
#4404
On September 15 2019 04:16 Jerubaal wrote:
How's the progress going @Amui? I feel like usually when you think you need to lose 10lbs, you really need to lose 20.

I guess I'm stuck with lifting for the time being. There are all these different sports clubs, but I don't think that there's really any replacement for it.

I did manage to up the cardio, and toned down the deep fried stuff a bit, and dropped about 5lbs so far which is a decent start, considering I've been adding muscle through bouldering as well. Vert also felt better and was pushing up past 200lbs on squat.

Sadly I think my dreams are over for next round of tryouts as I broke my left wrist last weekend even though I felt like I was playing better and better, which basically ends any training I could possibly do. Gonna need surgery as the break has misaligned and combined with recovery/rehab, will put me out for a few months.

Severe injuries just seem to linger around me unfortunately.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
Aerisky
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States12129 Posts
November 27 2019 01:59 GMT
#4405
Will wrist wraps make your wrist stabilizing muscles weaker? I've read that obviously they don't make you weaker in terms of strength -- they just help keep your wrists stabilized so you don't hurt yourself. That's also the reason I use them, but I'm als concerned it might make me "worse at" keeping my wrists stable, and make whatever stabilizing muscles there weaker.

Is there any truth to that thought, or should I continue using them?
Jim while Johnny had had had had had had had; had had had had the better effect on the teacher.
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4727 Posts
November 28 2019 09:49 GMT
#4406
On November 27 2019 10:59 Aerisky wrote:
Will wrist wraps make your wrist stabilizing muscles weaker? I've read that obviously they don't make you weaker in terms of strength -- they just help keep your wrists stabilized so you don't hurt yourself. That's also the reason I use them, but I'm als concerned it might make me "worse at" keeping my wrists stable, and make whatever stabilizing muscles there weaker.

Is there any truth to that thought, or should I continue using them?


I don't know the answer to that and I am not sure anyone here (or anywhere) does either. Maybe somewhere there is a research paper out there for a 16 week period with n=8 participants or sth. But if there is, that would still tell you next to nothing.

Personal opinion: No, it won't make any stabilizing muscles weaker.
Personal opinion 2: There is dozens of things that deserve your attention more than this while training. Don't major in the minors.
"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
November 28 2019 18:53 GMT
#4407
I wouldn’t wear them for anything but near-max presses or olympic lifting. Which are the only things I assume you are using them for anyway.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20020 Posts
December 03 2019 14:01 GMT
#4408
On November 27 2019 10:59 Aerisky wrote:
Will wrist wraps make your wrist stabilizing muscles weaker? I've read that obviously they don't make you weaker in terms of strength -- they just help keep your wrists stabilized so you don't hurt yourself. That's also the reason I use them, but I'm als concerned it might make me "worse at" keeping my wrists stable, and make whatever stabilizing muscles there weaker.

Is there any truth to that thought, or should I continue using them?


They might cover up some deficiencies in mobility/strength/etc. so I wouldn't rely on them for everything. Try and fix underlying issue bothering you and use them as needed.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
Aerisky
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States12129 Posts
December 08 2019 01:07 GMT
#4409
On November 28 2019 18:49 Malinor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2019 10:59 Aerisky wrote:
Will wrist wraps make your wrist stabilizing muscles weaker? I've read that obviously they don't make you weaker in terms of strength -- they just help keep your wrists stabilized so you don't hurt yourself. That's also the reason I use them, but I'm als concerned it might make me "worse at" keeping my wrists stable, and make whatever stabilizing muscles there weaker.

Is there any truth to that thought, or should I continue using them?


I don't know the answer to that and I am not sure anyone here (or anywhere) does either. Maybe somewhere there is a research paper out there for a 16 week period with n=8 participants or sth. But if there is, that would still tell you next to nothing.

Personal opinion: No, it won't make any stabilizing muscles weaker.
Personal opinion 2: There is dozens of things that deserve your attention more than this while training. Don't major in the minors.

Good points yeah. I guess I'll use them a bit on an as-needed/just-in-case basis but it probably matters way less than the underlying form, nutrition, lifting plan etc.

On November 29 2019 03:53 IgnE wrote:
I wouldn’t wear them for anything but near-max presses or olympic lifting. Which are the only things I assume you are using them for anyway.

Yeah, pretty much for my heavy presses I've been using them just in case. I also did it for normal DLs but realized pretty quick that it doesn't really matter for those.

On December 03 2019 23:01 decafchicken wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2019 10:59 Aerisky wrote:
Will wrist wraps make your wrist stabilizing muscles weaker? I've read that obviously they don't make you weaker in terms of strength -- they just help keep your wrists stabilized so you don't hurt yourself. That's also the reason I use them, but I'm als concerned it might make me "worse at" keeping my wrists stable, and make whatever stabilizing muscles there weaker.

Is there any truth to that thought, or should I continue using them?


They might cover up some deficiencies in mobility/strength/etc. so I wouldn't rely on them for everything. Try and fix underlying issue bothering you and use them as needed.

Ah true, got it. Yeah, basically I hurt my wrists a while back reracking the bar after OHP -- wasn't paying attention, the bar didn't rack on the left side, and I caught the whole bar with my wrists -____-

It actually made my wrists hurt/ache for way longer than I thought, even though I got two separate doctor opinions and I didn't actually break/seriously strain anything. But yeah I think it's just a matter of slowly working my way back into it and managing the load.
Jim while Johnny had had had had had had had; had had had had the better effect on the teacher.
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20020 Posts
December 10 2019 13:34 GMT
#4410
On December 08 2019 10:07 Aerisky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2019 18:49 Malinor wrote:
On November 27 2019 10:59 Aerisky wrote:
Will wrist wraps make your wrist stabilizing muscles weaker? I've read that obviously they don't make you weaker in terms of strength -- they just help keep your wrists stabilized so you don't hurt yourself. That's also the reason I use them, but I'm als concerned it might make me "worse at" keeping my wrists stable, and make whatever stabilizing muscles there weaker.

Is there any truth to that thought, or should I continue using them?


I don't know the answer to that and I am not sure anyone here (or anywhere) does either. Maybe somewhere there is a research paper out there for a 16 week period with n=8 participants or sth. But if there is, that would still tell you next to nothing.

Personal opinion: No, it won't make any stabilizing muscles weaker.
Personal opinion 2: There is dozens of things that deserve your attention more than this while training. Don't major in the minors.

Good points yeah. I guess I'll use them a bit on an as-needed/just-in-case basis but it probably matters way less than the underlying form, nutrition, lifting plan etc.

Show nested quote +
On November 29 2019 03:53 IgnE wrote:
I wouldn’t wear them for anything but near-max presses or olympic lifting. Which are the only things I assume you are using them for anyway.

Yeah, pretty much for my heavy presses I've been using them just in case. I also did it for normal DLs but realized pretty quick that it doesn't really matter for those.

Show nested quote +
On December 03 2019 23:01 decafchicken wrote:
On November 27 2019 10:59 Aerisky wrote:
Will wrist wraps make your wrist stabilizing muscles weaker? I've read that obviously they don't make you weaker in terms of strength -- they just help keep your wrists stabilized so you don't hurt yourself. That's also the reason I use them, but I'm als concerned it might make me "worse at" keeping my wrists stable, and make whatever stabilizing muscles there weaker.

Is there any truth to that thought, or should I continue using them?


They might cover up some deficiencies in mobility/strength/etc. so I wouldn't rely on them for everything. Try and fix underlying issue bothering you and use them as needed.

Ah true, got it. Yeah, basically I hurt my wrists a while back reracking the bar after OHP -- wasn't paying attention, the bar didn't rack on the left side, and I caught the whole bar with my wrists -____-

It actually made my wrists hurt/ache for way longer than I thought, even though I got two separate doctor opinions and I didn't actually break/seriously strain anything. But yeah I think it's just a matter of slowly working my way back into it and managing the load.


Spend a couple minutes a day doing these (and for warm ups) and it should improve pretty quickly.



how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
Aerisky
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States12129 Posts
December 13 2019 00:32 GMT
#4411
Ooh, thanks! Will try that tomorrow :D What an efficient way to alternate extensors and flexors, that's pretty cool.
Jim while Johnny had had had had had had had; had had had had the better effect on the teacher.
Aerisky
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States12129 Posts
December 27 2019 21:06 GMT
#4412
I did get some soreness recently moving my wrists side to side, as well as just rotating my hands about the axis made from drawing a line from my elbow through my wrist. Would there be any other exercises to do, or would it mainly be the one above + making sure not to overdo it?

Also, any of y'all got fitness goals for the new year/decade? :o
Jim while Johnny had had had had had had had; had had had had the better effect on the teacher.
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4727 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-12-27 22:24:40
December 27 2019 22:24 GMT
#4413
On December 28 2019 06:06 Aerisky wrote:
I did get some soreness recently moving my wrists side to side, as well as just rotating my hands about the axis made from drawing a line from my elbow through my wrist. Would there be any other exercises to do, or would it mainly be the one above + making sure not to overdo it?

Also, any of y'all got fitness goals for the new year/decade? :o


Personal goal in the -105class:
227.5 Squat (~501lb)
145 Bench
260 Deadlift
620 Total.

If I hit everything of the above in one competition, I am at 632.5. But that is very unlikely to happen, 9/9 competitions are rare.
The biggest ask is the Bench, sitting at 120 right now. But I have been injured for nearly all of 2019. If I can train throughout the year, I should get close to 145 I believe.

Related goal: Make the 18 year old I am coaching German junior champion in the -57 class and get her above 450 Wilks (~387.5Kg total).


"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
Emnjay808
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States10656 Posts
December 28 2019 01:00 GMT
#4414
Is it okay to ask for use advice here?:

Currently taking Trenbolone (Trenorol) and am seeing significant improvements in energy and strength while lifting. First time taking anything of the sort and I’m already 3 weeks into it and already feel like the effects are starting to feel less significant.

When should I stop taking and go back on it again? I currently have 3 months supply.
Skol
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
December 28 2019 01:24 GMT
#4415
What are your lifts? What was your lifting like before tren? Why did you get tren?
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
Emnjay808
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States10656 Posts
December 28 2019 01:42 GMT
#4416
My lifts are very average: 225 chest, 405 DL, 285 squat, 135 OHP. All at about 80%, never cared to push for PRs cause that always leads to injuries.

First time taking Tren ever and I feel like at I’m peak again (when I used to meal prep and have lots of sleep).

Started taking tren because I’m having a hard time getting back to my regular numbers due to traveling and increased work hours (mainly not getting enough sleep/rest) I’m lucky if I can get a full 6 hours of sleep a day, and that’s on the generous side.

I’ll admit that my diet could be better, Ive been eating proteins that’s not on the lean side (due to holiday seasons). But now I’m dusting off my recipe book and plan to start back on a good calorie surplus of complex carbs and lean proteins (turkey chili, grilled fish/chicken breast, raw tuna).

I guess overall I’m looking to get back into shape “quickly” but also to reach new peaks on my strength and physique later down the road as well.
Skol
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
December 28 2019 01:48 GMT
#4417
what do you have planned for post cycle therapy?
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
Emnjay808
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States10656 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-12-28 02:03:01
December 28 2019 02:01 GMT
#4418
I don’t know what that means lol. Im assuming a cycle is when I go off the Tren? ive read that I should go off in 2 months and during that time that I won’t be using—I’ll just be continuing my diet as planned. Maybe try going slightly calorie deficit.
Skol
Aerisky
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States12129 Posts
December 28 2019 02:31 GMT
#4419
On December 28 2019 07:24 Malinor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 28 2019 06:06 Aerisky wrote:
I did get some soreness recently moving my wrists side to side, as well as just rotating my hands about the axis made from drawing a line from my elbow through my wrist. Would there be any other exercises to do, or would it mainly be the one above + making sure not to overdo it?

Also, any of y'all got fitness goals for the new year/decade? :o


Personal goal in the -105class:
227.5 Squat (~501lb)
145 Bench
260 Deadlift
620 Total.

If I hit everything of the above in one competition, I am at 632.5. But that is very unlikely to happen, 9/9 competitions are rare.
The biggest ask is the Bench, sitting at 120 right now. But I have been injured for nearly all of 2019. If I can train throughout the year, I should get close to 145 I believe.

Related goal: Make the 18 year old I am coaching German junior champion in the -57 class and get her above 450 Wilks (~387.5Kg total).



Holy shit, are those numbers in kg? That's incredible! You're in the 105kg class as well?
Jim while Johnny had had had had had had had; had had had had the better effect on the teacher.
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
December 28 2019 02:34 GMT
#4420
You probably shouldn't do tren if you aren't going to do any PCT. You need a way to restart your testosterone production after shutting it down for 10 weeks.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
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