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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
Take usa/china/russia, they all fail, because football isn't "loved" there. Same goes for my country as well, we are much more into basketball and not football and it clearly shows in the quality of players we produce and the team's achievements. The same reason why obscure south american countries produce absolute world class talents all the time. | ||
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Ysellian
Netherlands9029 Posts
On February 19 2015 10:01 Pantagruel wrote: I see my fellow Feyenoord fans are already busy burning down Rome so we can be banned from European competition for another couple of years. Why can't they just control themselves? Yeah, I'm really pissed off as well. Apparently some drunk feyenoord idiots were spitting on passerby's, which pissed off the hardcore fans and they took matters into their own hands. Rome Police intervened and things escalated from there. | ||
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Dingodile
4139 Posts
On February 19 2015 21:48 Twisted wrote: You can't make that comparison. The strength of a national team has most to do with how popular the game is in the country, some luck with a good generation and good infrastructure. Players can't change teams after they've played one official match for their country which is the most important thing of why you can't make that comparison. Numbers are everything in today's game and that's why the semifinals of the CL is the same every year. They're not excuses what the fuck. The best players play for the team that pays the most salary and is able to buy off contracts from other teams. You can't 'buy' Robben and Messi for Germany or whatever. They can still switch the flag even it was an official match. You have to see the difference between official matches and official friendly matches. You cannot switch to other country anymore if you played 3 official friendly matches OR 1 official match (wc quali as example). This is still much much better than in handball. You can switch to other country (even if the "new" country has no relationship, Hi Qatar) if you dont play longer than 3 yrs for a country. In this case you can have played for 4 countries in your 12 yrs career. | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On February 19 2015 20:21 sharkie wrote: Look at Uruguay's population and then at their accomplishments. Those numbers are just excuses. If you really are behind it you can achieve anything. Uruguay's and to some extent Netherlands are the best examples in football that numbers are just numbers. They don't stop you from anything unless you let them You can't be serious about comparing national teams and club teams. If we want to go that direction, then it's obvious that Germany is one of the best footballing countries in the world, with 4 World Cups, several fantastic streaks of WC tournament appearances/semifinals appearances/etc., a fantastic youth system, etc. etc. etc. The influence and power of clubs has very little to do with national team success. Just look at England's team. | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Their revenue in the money list supports this accusation as well. They are the 3rd highest money revenue team in Bundesliga at 14th on the list (published this year) so they have the grounds with a huge stadium they fill every week and the squad they have. Add in a fantastic youth system and they should be reaching last 16 / round of 8 champions league every season. Money List (Revenue) | ||
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Salazarz
Korea (South)2591 Posts
On February 19 2015 22:14 Steveling wrote: It's not about numbers at all in the national level, it's about how big of a cultural factor football is in each country. Take usa/china/russia, they all fail, because football isn't "loved" there. Same goes for my country as well, we are much more into basketball and not football and it clearly shows in the quality of players we produce and the team's achievements. The same reason why obscure south american countries produce absolute world class talents all the time. There is more to it than that. It has a lot to do with various countries' infrastructure as well as existing connections. South American teams produce world class footballers because big Spanish clubs have scouts all over South America and kids that show promise go on to be coached and trained at world class youth academies. Russia or China doesn't have the same kind of connections, language and visa requirements are also a big hurdle; whereas Barcelona can pretty much straight up 'import' a kid from just about any SA country and train them in Spain should they so desire (or pick him up at a more comfortable age after he spends some years developing at home), bringing a player over from Russia or China is a process that takes literally years. Cultural integration for said kids is also much more difficult, as is their communication with the coaches etc, and those things play a big role in a young player's development. Another thing is how 'viable' of a career path a certain sport is considered in the country. In any of the powerhouse footballing nations, being a professional football player isn't just a 'star or bust' kind of thing, you can make a decent living as a player in lower tier leagues, a coach, a fitness instructor etc. In USA on the other hand, you're not going to make much out of playing soccer unless you're playing in MLS, so if you're athletic as a child chances are you're going to be pushed towards playing something else by your parents, teachers and so on whereas in a country like Germany or England, a kid who is seriously into it early would be more likely to receive encouragement, support and direction required to continue improving. At the end of the day, it's kind of a chicken and egg situation. Unless teams invest big money into developing local talent in a said country, that specific country isn't likely to produce any big stars. But unless some big stars come from a certain country / region, no one is going to invest their money and time scouting and training players there. Korea is a good example of that; literally nobody cared about Korean football 20 years ago, not even Koreans themselves. Then there was Park Ji Sung, and 10 years later you've got a dozen Koreans playing in top flight European competitions and more youths being brought over to train as prospects for the big clubs. | ||
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graan
Germany589 Posts
On February 19 2015 22:51 Pandemona wrote: His point is semi valid though. Schalke still a "big" ish club in Europe the last few years. Their revenue in the money list supports this accusation as well. They are the 3rd highest money revenue team in Bundesliga at 14th on the list (published this year) so they have the grounds with a huge stadium they fill every week and the squad they have. Add in a fantastic youth system and they should be reaching last 16 / round of 8 champions league every season. Money List (Revenue) Schalke actually did manage to get in ro16 the last three seasons, but when you have to field Wellenreuther, Matip, Aogo, Kirchhoff and Platte against Real Madrid i really wouldn't blame them when they lose. Don't get me wrong these are (might become) solid players, but no match for the strength of Madrid - and with some luck they might even have gotten a draw yesterday, because everything is possible in football - but highly unlikely  | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Also why is everyone so injured in the German teams? They place less than in England just come back from winter break and still there is so many of them injured and getting injured why is this. Like every team in Germany = Arsenal? | ||
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warding
Portugal2397 Posts
- A world where over 5000 players exist with a rating of over 80, and the median is 70, vs; - A world where 100 players exist with a rating of over 80, while the median is 50. In the first world, the top dogs will probably have a team stacked with high 80s and a couple of 90s players, but the 2nd tier teams will also be stacked with players over 80. In the second world, the top teams will own all the 80s players while second tier teams will suuuuuck. In other words, if clubs around the world to produce more and more high quality players, then top tier teams will have a smaller advantage and the leagues will be more competitive. | ||
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aseq
Netherlands4025 Posts
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On February 19 2015 22:51 Pandemona wrote: His point is semi valid though. Schalke still a "big" ish club in Europe the last few years. Their revenue in the money list supports this accusation as well. They are the 3rd highest money revenue team in Bundesliga at 14th on the list (published this year) so they have the grounds with a huge stadium they fill every week and the squad they have. Add in a fantastic youth system and they should be reaching last 16 / round of 8 champions league every season. Money List (Revenue) They do consistently reach the RO16. However, to say that they should have any shot of doing anything whatsoever against Real is just naive and whitewashes the disgusting disparity between teams in European football. Like I already pointed out, Real Madrid's resources completely dwarf Schalke's in every possible way and Schalke isn't some super-well-known powerhouse that stars always look to play at. Schalke's success is predicated on a very large fan base inside Germany and a great youth academy, but these things aren't going to get you enough prestige to challenge serious European contenders. | ||
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GizmoPT
Portugal3040 Posts
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sneirac
Germany3464 Posts
On February 20 2015 02:38 GizmoPT wrote: You guys forgeting about Europa League ? ;x How are you feeling about Wolfsburg? At least it's the german sponsors this time  | ||
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GizmoPT
Portugal3040 Posts
On February 20 2015 02:43 sneirac wrote: How are you feeling about Wolfsburg? At least it's the german sponsors this time Wolfsburg should win ez | ||
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sneirac
Germany3464 Posts
I think so too considering how they started 2015 but after the draw I liked Sporting more. I have no idea how well they are actually doing outside of the CL/EL though. | ||
Twisted
Netherlands13554 Posts
On February 20 2015 02:38 GizmoPT wrote: You guys forgeting about Europa League ? ;x Gonna zap between Feyenoord and PSV and watch Ajax in 2 hours obviously | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
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Mensol
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
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Pantagruel
United States1427 Posts
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