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On January 07 2015 04:12 Skynx wrote: £30m for Bony is outrageous Welcome to 2015 football
where every player is overpriced
On the other hand, there are rumours that the Barcelona board has decided to sack Luis Enrique, mostly because they want Messi to stay
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What Vidal just did is Maradona/Pele level
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Why where there Seria-A games today? Is it an Italian public holiday or something?
edit: Google has the answer it's Epifania appanrently. Some kind of religious business. Oh well answered my own question now.
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On January 07 2015 05:12 Greg_J wrote: Why where there Seria-A games today? Is it an Italian public holiday or something?
edit: Google has the answer it's Epifania appanrently. Some kind of religious business. Oh well answered my own question now. Im pretty sure ite the arrival of the 3 Wise Men / Kings / Magi, i dont know how does your country names them :p
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On January 07 2015 03:25 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2015 01:36 Rebs wrote:On January 07 2015 01:35 sharkie wrote:On January 07 2015 01:33 Rebs wrote:On January 06 2015 20:41 Pandemona wrote:Oh ok then i misunderstood what Willy was saying. I thought he said Messi was the "complete" striker which he cannot be. I know what he does instead of holding the ball up but if he joined say West Ham he would need to be able to hold the ball up because the other 10 players on the pitch would be defending for their lives xD But Ronaldo might have a better chance at that but of course he doesn't dribble to the level of Messi and able to skin 3 people with his low centre of gravity etc.
Oh also it is not Mesnol birthday, his birthday is 6th December  but he selected January when signing up to TL because he messed up. He said you can't change it either xD IF your defination of a complete striker is someone who can play with his back to goal and play as a target man. Then the sad state of english defending shouldnt bother you at all. Heres my point. http://www.espnfc.com/blog/espn-fc-united-blog/68/post/2213484/as-defending-declinesenglish-strikers-take-the-premier-league-by-storm-by-iain-macintosh No, he says it INCLUDES being able to do that... Which is also BS because Henry was a more complete striker than half the people who make their living doing this and he wasnt exactly a target man. Besides even fucking Charlie Austin and Peter Crouch can play hold up. Its like the thinnest of all ways to build attacking play. Thats why teams with less talented attacking talent employ it. Also read the damn article and present some reasonable counter arguments, Dont cherry pick semantics. But then again cant expect much more than 140 characters out of you. A complete striker can do bits of everything. Henry has played his back to goal loads for Arsenal from my knowledge of his premier league time. Just look at his goal highlight reels and you see many goals where he is facing with his back to goal then spins or does something out of this world. But that still isn't the point. Willy says (or i misinterpreted him) that Messi was a complete striker in which he isn't because he can't do the back to goal stuff and holding it up. Or be that guy to knock it down and be strong like Ibra/Drogba strikers.
All top forwards can play with their back to goal. Just pull up an Messi video and see how often he gets his heels knicked at as he weaves around and lets players advance.
Playing with your back to goal is not the same as playing target man.
Sorry they are different things.
And frankly by the standards you are applying there is no way anyone can really be a complete striker.
The closest that comes to the standards you are applying is Ibra and as good as he is, he is not even close to as prolific so clearly being a complete striker means actually being less useful by if we were to apply these paramenters
Does that make sense to you ?
Still waiting on a response to Mcintosh's insinuation that PL defending is absolute garbage.
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They say enrique will be sacked tomorrow already. Klopp to barca? xD
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I don't think neither coach will leave their team mid-season.
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Btw Cristiano got the ballon. A disgrace I say!
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On January 07 2015 05:25 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2015 03:25 Pandemona wrote:On January 07 2015 01:36 Rebs wrote:On January 07 2015 01:35 sharkie wrote:On January 07 2015 01:33 Rebs wrote:On January 06 2015 20:41 Pandemona wrote:Oh ok then i misunderstood what Willy was saying. I thought he said Messi was the "complete" striker which he cannot be. I know what he does instead of holding the ball up but if he joined say West Ham he would need to be able to hold the ball up because the other 10 players on the pitch would be defending for their lives xD But Ronaldo might have a better chance at that but of course he doesn't dribble to the level of Messi and able to skin 3 people with his low centre of gravity etc.
Oh also it is not Mesnol birthday, his birthday is 6th December  but he selected January when signing up to TL because he messed up. He said you can't change it either xD IF your defination of a complete striker is someone who can play with his back to goal and play as a target man. Then the sad state of english defending shouldnt bother you at all. Heres my point. http://www.espnfc.com/blog/espn-fc-united-blog/68/post/2213484/as-defending-declinesenglish-strikers-take-the-premier-league-by-storm-by-iain-macintosh No, he says it INCLUDES being able to do that... Which is also BS because Henry was a more complete striker than half the people who make their living doing this and he wasnt exactly a target man. Besides even fucking Charlie Austin and Peter Crouch can play hold up. Its like the thinnest of all ways to build attacking play. Thats why teams with less talented attacking talent employ it. Also read the damn article and present some reasonable counter arguments, Dont cherry pick semantics. But then again cant expect much more than 140 characters out of you. A complete striker can do bits of everything. Henry has played his back to goal loads for Arsenal from my knowledge of his premier league time. Just look at his goal highlight reels and you see many goals where he is facing with his back to goal then spins or does something out of this world. But that still isn't the point. Willy says (or i misinterpreted him) that Messi was a complete striker in which he isn't because he can't do the back to goal stuff and holding it up. Or be that guy to knock it down and be strong like Ibra/Drogba strikers. All top forwards can play with their back to goal. Just pull up an Messi video and see how often he gets his heels knicked at as he weaves around and lets players advance. Playing with your back to goal is not the same as playing target man. Sorry they are different things. And frankly by the standards you are applying there is no way anyone can really be a complete striker. The closest that comes to the standards you are applying is Ibra and as good as he is, he is not even close to as prolific so clearly being a complete striker means actually being less useful by if we were to apply these paramenters Does that make sense to you ? Still waiting on a response to Mcintosh's insinuation that PL defending is absolute garbage. That is what i was implying yes, no one is the complete striker because to be complete you need to be able to be the target man, play with your back to goal, hold the ball up. Then do what Messi Suarez and Ronaldo all do in one. Never will happen, reason saying he is complete is why i posted what i did.
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On January 07 2015 05:38 sharkie wrote: I don't think neither coach will leave their team mid-season. For any other team De Boer wouldn't leave mid season but Barca is a different story.
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On January 07 2015 06:08 RvB wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2015 05:38 sharkie wrote: I don't think neither coach will leave their team mid-season. For any other team De Boer wouldn't leave mid season but Barca is a different story.
Wasn't De Boer wanted several times now by Barca? But De Boer always declined. Why should he then suddenly decide yes AND leave mid-season?
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On January 07 2015 05:05 Faruko wrote: What Vidal just did is Maradona/Pele level
gift?
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Nope. Only teams that have been interested so far have been Liverpool, which he declined and Tottenham where he would go but Tottenham cancelled, allegedly because he announced it in the media before Tottenham did. So Tottenham went for Pochettino. Barcelona was never concrete as far as the general public knows.
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Bony set for Manchester City Medical
Wilfried Bony is set to have a medical at Manchester City tomorrow morning ahead of a move to the Etihad Stadium.
They've really sold Bony for £30m. /respect
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Before hiring a coach, Barcelona needs to have elections... Changing their coach without changing the direction will have absolutely no effect. Even Mourinho wouldn't get enough power to decide transfers and bench important players. If they sack Enrique, I hope they take another less famous coach like Martino was, because if they get a great coach (like Klopp or De Boer), they will just ruin their chance with him, as he will leave 1 year later, either sacked for bad results (because how much can you improve with your hands tied?) or because of the 2016 election with a new president (and a new coach to go with it). Same goes for the guy that will replace Zubizarreta...
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On January 06 2015 20:29 WillyWanker wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2015 19:52 Crushinator wrote: Messi simply is not phsyically imposing enough to play as a target man. He is a dribbler and a playmaker, his lack of physicallity is undeniably a limitation and it prevents him from being a complete forward. If a comparison must be made, Ronaldo is a more complete player, good in the air, strong, fast, and technical and a good dribbler with good vision I think he would be succesful no matter the role he is asked to play up front.
That said, I think Messi is the best ever and he would do just as well in other leagues and other teams that play around him. I think the question of what happens if a team doesn't build around him is absurd, because why the hell wouldn't you build around a player that is so effective at spearheading your attack? Why being a "complete" player should only take into account physical aspects? I agree that Ronaldo is a more "complete athlete" than Messi, but Messi, imo, is a more "complete player". Messi has Xavi-level vision, Pirlo-level passing skill, and I'm not even talking about his finishing skills... Yes, he's small, but he's also a lot more difficult to stop than Ronaldo thanks to that. He's as fast, if not faster, with the ball, and he's so fast at turning around and arming his shots that he doesn't need a right foot... I agree that he cannot play like Drogba or Ibra, but except for counter-attacking/defensive teams, who plays 9 like this? Even Ibra isn't playing like this in PSG, he has freedom and plays like a false 9. There are so many other ways to use his talent, that we shouldn't even debate the case where he would have to play as a Drogba-like 9...
Doesn't matter if he can't do the above. If my team had Ibra, Costa and Drogba I would trade all 3 of them for Messi in a flash.
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you might as well just make messi the player-manager.
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So bony 30m to sit on the bench?
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