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sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18772 Posts
January 06 2015 12:36 GMT
#9381
On January 06 2015 19:52 Crushinator wrote:
Messi simply is not phsyically imposing enough to play as a target man. He is a dribbler and a playmaker, his lack of physicallity is undeniably a limitation and it prevents him from being a complete forward. If a comparison must be made, Ronaldo is a more complete player, good in the air, strong, fast, and technical and a good dribbler with good vision I think he would be succesful no matter the role he is asked to play up front.

That said, I think Messi is the best ever and he would do just as well in other leagues and other teams that play around him. I think the question of what happens if a team doesn't build around him is absurd, because why the hell wouldn't you build around a player that is so effective at spearheading your attack?


Building a team around one player is always very very dangerous.
France in 2002 completely failed without Zidane.

It's just a big problem if the player gets injured or loses his form.
It's not feasible in modern football anymore imo.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
January 06 2015 13:06 GMT
#9382
On January 06 2015 21:35 Akka wrote:
It seems Lavezzi and Cavani are on the way out :<
Kinda sad that we were never able to get as much as expected out of both.


Yeah wonder if it might be a ploy to cover up potential FFP issues. Cashing in on both of those is easily £60million right? 30-30 or maybe 35-25 etc.
Hell id take Cavani still if he wants to battle with Costa for striker :3
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6326 Posts
January 06 2015 14:27 GMT
#9383
On January 06 2015 21:36 sharkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2015 19:52 Crushinator wrote:
Messi simply is not phsyically imposing enough to play as a target man. He is a dribbler and a playmaker, his lack of physicallity is undeniably a limitation and it prevents him from being a complete forward. If a comparison must be made, Ronaldo is a more complete player, good in the air, strong, fast, and technical and a good dribbler with good vision I think he would be succesful no matter the role he is asked to play up front.

That said, I think Messi is the best ever and he would do just as well in other leagues and other teams that play around him. I think the question of what happens if a team doesn't build around him is absurd, because why the hell wouldn't you build around a player that is so effective at spearheading your attack?


Building a team around one player is always very very dangerous.
France in 2002 completely failed without Zidane.

It's just a big problem if the player gets injured or loses his form.
It's not feasible in modern football anymore imo.

Every team is built around a few key players. Barca is not just Messi but obviously he is by far the most important player on the pitch.
Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
January 06 2015 14:48 GMT
#9384
Cruyff traveled to barcelona today.
Pls let it be!!
My dick has shrunk to the point where it looks like I have 3 balls.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
January 06 2015 14:54 GMT
#9385
Arsenal have had a bid for Krystian Bielik rejected by Legia Warsaw, although Sky sources understand talks are ongoing.
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-06 15:01:21
January 06 2015 15:00 GMT
#9386


god i love ArsenalFanTV.
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34173 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-06 15:13:45
January 06 2015 15:04 GMT
#9387
Cavani going for Arsenal could be a great choice, but considering how good Sanchez is playing, Walcott is back, Ramsey too and Giroud will at some point i rather him get 1 or 2 CB and maybe an extra defensive midfield

Varane + Khedira + Vertonghen (but he is from Spurs) or Dante if BM doesnt want him


of course if they have the money for Cavani and the other 2-3 that would be much better

Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
SatedSC2
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
England3012 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-06 15:10:51
January 06 2015 15:10 GMT
#9388
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Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-06 16:35:21
January 06 2015 16:33 GMT
#9389
On January 06 2015 20:41 Pandemona wrote:
Oh ok then i misunderstood what Willy was saying. I thought he said Messi was the "complete" striker which he cannot be. I know what he does instead of holding the ball up but if he joined say West Ham he would need to be able to hold the ball up because the other 10 players on the pitch would be defending for their lives xD

But Ronaldo might have a better chance at that but of course he doesn't dribble to the level of Messi and able to skin 3 people with his low centre of gravity etc.



Oh also it is not Mesnol birthday, his birthday is 6th December but he selected January when signing up to TL because he messed up. He said you can't change it either xD


IF your defination of a complete striker is someone who can play with his back to goal and play as a target man. Then the sad state of english defending shouldnt bother you at all.

Heres my point.

http://www.espnfc.com/blog/espn-fc-united-blog/68/post/2213484/as-defending-declinesenglish-strikers-take-the-premier-league-by-storm-by-iain-macintosh


On January 07 2015 00:10 SatedSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2015 23:27 RvB wrote:
On January 06 2015 21:36 sharkie wrote:
On January 06 2015 19:52 Crushinator wrote:
Messi simply is not phsyically imposing enough to play as a target man. He is a dribbler and a playmaker, his lack of physicallity is undeniably a limitation and it prevents him from being a complete forward. If a comparison must be made, Ronaldo is a more complete player, good in the air, strong, fast, and technical and a good dribbler with good vision I think he would be succesful no matter the role he is asked to play up front.

That said, I think Messi is the best ever and he would do just as well in other leagues and other teams that play around him. I think the question of what happens if a team doesn't build around him is absurd, because why the hell wouldn't you build around a player that is so effective at spearheading your attack?


Building a team around one player is always very very dangerous.
France in 2002 completely failed without Zidane.

It's just a big problem if the player gets injured or loses his form.
It's not feasible in modern football anymore imo.

Every team is built around a few key players. Barca is not just Messi but obviously he is by far the most important player on the pitch.

Teams should be built by first assembling a strong spine, and then fitting flair players around it. You can over-perform with a solid spine (see any team Sam Allardyce has ever managed) but you will find it hard to meet expectations without a spine (see Arsenal since Wenger lost the last pieces of the spine assembled for him by a previous manager).



And what about all those years allardyce teams performed like shit ? Where was the strong spine then ? I agree Arsenals woes are a lack of spine but the logic doesnt really float consistently in the way you present it.
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18772 Posts
January 06 2015 16:35 GMT
#9390
On January 07 2015 01:33 Rebs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2015 20:41 Pandemona wrote:
Oh ok then i misunderstood what Willy was saying. I thought he said Messi was the "complete" striker which he cannot be. I know what he does instead of holding the ball up but if he joined say West Ham he would need to be able to hold the ball up because the other 10 players on the pitch would be defending for their lives xD

But Ronaldo might have a better chance at that but of course he doesn't dribble to the level of Messi and able to skin 3 people with his low centre of gravity etc.



Oh also it is not Mesnol birthday, his birthday is 6th December but he selected January when signing up to TL because he messed up. He said you can't change it either xD


IF your defination of a complete striker is someone who can play with his back to goal and play as a target man. Then the sad state of english defending shouldnt bother you at all.

Heres my point.

http://www.espnfc.com/blog/espn-fc-united-blog/68/post/2213484/as-defending-declinesenglish-strikers-take-the-premier-league-by-storm-by-iain-macintosh


No, he says it INCLUDES being able to do that...
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-06 16:38:58
January 06 2015 16:36 GMT
#9391
On January 07 2015 01:35 sharkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2015 01:33 Rebs wrote:
On January 06 2015 20:41 Pandemona wrote:
Oh ok then i misunderstood what Willy was saying. I thought he said Messi was the "complete" striker which he cannot be. I know what he does instead of holding the ball up but if he joined say West Ham he would need to be able to hold the ball up because the other 10 players on the pitch would be defending for their lives xD

But Ronaldo might have a better chance at that but of course he doesn't dribble to the level of Messi and able to skin 3 people with his low centre of gravity etc.



Oh also it is not Mesnol birthday, his birthday is 6th December but he selected January when signing up to TL because he messed up. He said you can't change it either xD


IF your defination of a complete striker is someone who can play with his back to goal and play as a target man. Then the sad state of english defending shouldnt bother you at all.

Heres my point.

http://www.espnfc.com/blog/espn-fc-united-blog/68/post/2213484/as-defending-declinesenglish-strikers-take-the-premier-league-by-storm-by-iain-macintosh


No, he says it INCLUDES being able to do that...


Which is also BS because Henry was a more complete striker than half the people who make their living doing this and he wasnt exactly a target man.

Besides even fucking Charlie Austin and Peter Crouch can play hold up. Its like the thinnest of all ways to build attacking play. Thats why teams with less talented attacking talent employ it.

Also read the damn article and present some reasonable counter arguments, Dont cherry pick semantics. But then again cant expect much more than 140 characters out of you.
Twisted
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands13554 Posts
January 06 2015 17:16 GMT
#9392
On January 06 2015 23:48 Steveling wrote:
Cruyff traveled to barcelona today.
Pls let it be!!


Cruyff lives in Barcelona
Moderator
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-06 17:49:25
January 06 2015 17:47 GMT
#9393
Swansea and Manchester City are in advanced talks over a proposed £30million deal for Wilfried Bony to bring him to the Etihad Stadium.

Liverpool are interested in signing Bayern Munich forward Xherdan Shaqiri.


£30m for Bony woooaaaaah, Mr.Monk can buy tons of talented players with that money.
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
January 06 2015 17:51 GMT
#9394
On January 07 2015 02:16 Twisted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2015 23:48 Steveling wrote:
Cruyff traveled to barcelona today.
Pls let it be!!


Cruyff lives in Barcelona


y u do dis? ((
My dick has shrunk to the point where it looks like I have 3 balls.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
January 06 2015 18:25 GMT
#9395
On January 07 2015 01:36 Rebs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2015 01:35 sharkie wrote:
On January 07 2015 01:33 Rebs wrote:
On January 06 2015 20:41 Pandemona wrote:
Oh ok then i misunderstood what Willy was saying. I thought he said Messi was the "complete" striker which he cannot be. I know what he does instead of holding the ball up but if he joined say West Ham he would need to be able to hold the ball up because the other 10 players on the pitch would be defending for their lives xD

But Ronaldo might have a better chance at that but of course he doesn't dribble to the level of Messi and able to skin 3 people with his low centre of gravity etc.



Oh also it is not Mesnol birthday, his birthday is 6th December but he selected January when signing up to TL because he messed up. He said you can't change it either xD


IF your defination of a complete striker is someone who can play with his back to goal and play as a target man. Then the sad state of english defending shouldnt bother you at all.

Heres my point.

http://www.espnfc.com/blog/espn-fc-united-blog/68/post/2213484/as-defending-declinesenglish-strikers-take-the-premier-league-by-storm-by-iain-macintosh


No, he says it INCLUDES being able to do that...


Which is also BS because Henry was a more complete striker than half the people who make their living doing this and he wasnt exactly a target man.

Besides even fucking Charlie Austin and Peter Crouch can play hold up. Its like the thinnest of all ways to build attacking play. Thats why teams with less talented attacking talent employ it.

Also read the damn article and present some reasonable counter arguments, Dont cherry pick semantics. But then again cant expect much more than 140 characters out of you.


A complete striker can do bits of everything. Henry has played his back to goal loads for Arsenal from my knowledge of his premier league time. Just look at his goal highlight reels and you see many goals where he is facing with his back to goal then spins or does something out of this world.

But that still isn't the point. Willy says (or i misinterpreted him) that Messi was a complete striker in which he isn't because he can't do the back to goal stuff and holding it up. Or be that guy to knock it down and be strong like Ibra/Drogba strikers.
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
haitike
Profile Joined June 2009
Spain2744 Posts
January 06 2015 18:31 GMT
#9396
On January 07 2015 02:51 Steveling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2015 02:16 Twisted wrote:
On January 06 2015 23:48 Steveling wrote:
Cruyff traveled to barcelona today.
Pls let it be!!


Cruyff lives in Barcelona


y u do dis? ((


He lives in Barcelona since he was Barcelona coach. His song is called "Jordi", a catalan name xDD
Rokomish
Profile Joined March 2011
United States68 Posts
January 06 2015 18:39 GMT
#9397
Gianfranco Zola's new career as manager of Cagliari got off to an awful start today, as they got shellacked 5-0 by Palermo!

Dybala had another 2 goals and is now second in Serie A with 9 (Tevez has 10). He's been getting a lot of attention from Prem clubs lately; I hope Palermo can hold on to him for the rest of this season and next season. The club president slapped a 40 million euro price tag on him, which would be incredibly steep given what he's accomplished so far in his career in Italy (one decent season in Serie B and an excellent first half of this season in Serie A).

Exciting times to be a Palermo fan - they were pegged as relegation candidates at the beginning of the season and are now sitting in 8th, just 2 points out of a Europa League spot!
marooder diedie
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
January 06 2015 19:12 GMT
#9398
£30m for Bony is outrageous
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6326 Posts
January 06 2015 19:15 GMT
#9399
On January 07 2015 03:31 haitike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2015 02:51 Steveling wrote:
On January 07 2015 02:16 Twisted wrote:
On January 06 2015 23:48 Steveling wrote:
Cruyff traveled to barcelona today.
Pls let it be!!


Cruyff lives in Barcelona


y u do dis? ((


He lives in Barcelona since he was Barcelona coach. His song is called "Jordi", a catalan name xDD

That's a Dutch name as well.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 06 2015 19:20 GMT
#9400
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
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