EPTOn January 06 2015 07:29 Mensol wrote:
Messi doesnt respect Enrique.
Messi doesnt respect Enrique.
Messi doesnt respect anyone, and refuse to play if his contract doesnt get better
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Faruko
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Messi doesnt respect anyone, and refuse to play if his contract doesnt get better | ||
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Skynx
Turkey7150 Posts
P.S: Happy birthday Mensol! | ||
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WillyWanker
France1915 Posts
On January 06 2015 08:27 Micro_Jackson wrote: Idk i still think this isnt happening because Messi is almost impossible to sell without someone losing his job. Also who says he isnt a massive bust? He works with Barcelona but will he work as "i am the best on the planet do what i want" with guys like Ibras PSG, Schweinsteigers Bayern or Lampards Chelsea(oh wait.... : )? Do you spend 150 million for one player who is limited and who needs a system that works around him? Limited? He needs a system around him? No, he's so good that people have to adapt to him. He didn't ask Guardiola to change the system for him, Guardiola realized that changing the system for him was the best thing for the team. He's that good. And limited, please... He's one of the most complete offensive player in the world, he can play pure 9, false 9, winger, and 10. Tell me what Ronaldo can play? Winger, that's it. It's not another Messi vs Ronaldo debate, but CR is the second most expensive player on the market, so it's the only one comparable to Messi on that aspect. About the video where Messi 'refuses' to be substituted, this video doesn't show everything. Enrique asks him if he's a bit injured and want to come off, Messi gives him a "thumbs up" so Enrique doesn't sub him... This kind of video editing is done by shows like Punto Pelota which are 100% Madrid socios or by Marca/As... And about Zubizarreta, it's hard to judge if he was good or not, I think he always had his hands tied. He didn't sign Neymar nor Suarez, and being a GK himself, I find it hard to believe that he chose to recruit both Ter Stegen and Bravo. These are direction's orders... He was sacked the minute he said the truth about it. | ||
Twisted
Netherlands13554 Posts
On January 06 2015 10:36 WillyWanker wrote: Limited? He needs a system around him? No, he's so good that people have to adapt to him. He didn't ask Guardiola to change the system for him, Guardiola realized that changing the system for him was the best thing for the team. He's that good. And limited, please... He's one of the most complete offensive player in the world, he can play pure 9, false 9, winger, and 10. Tell me what Ronaldo can play? Winger, that's it. It's not another Messi vs Ronaldo debate, but CR is the second most expensive player on the market, so it's the only one comparable to Messi on that aspect. Those that say that Messi is limited in any way shape or form cannot be taken seriously on the subject. It's the same thing when people say that Messi is only good because of Xavi/Iniesta. Pure ignorance. | ||
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Micro_Jackson
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On January 06 2015 12:49 Twisted wrote: Those that say that Messi is limited in any way shape or form cannot be taken seriously on the subject. It's the same thing when people say that Messi is only good because of Xavi/Iniesta. Pure ignorance. Well limited is obviusly not to be taken literally, you could play 1-6-0-3 and he would still frking rock at it. That they gameplan for him is not just random, it is because its their best chance of winning. But by doing so you need the right players around him to play him with the most effectivenes. What comes to my mind are things like Athleticos defensive 4-4-2 or playing him alongside Ibra in a 4-1-3-2 kinda shape or lets take Dortmund of 2011. Can he play all these systems? Of course he can. Are you "useing him" in the best possible way? I dont think so. If you think about it a lot of "superstars" or potential "goats" are specialists. Tom Brady, one of the best of all time for sure but have you seen him running the football? No you dont because he is aweful hat it. Or Shaq, maybe the best basketball center of all time who had a scoring range of like 4 square meter around the basket. Its not about what he can and can not do these guys are professional athletes they "can" play any position, its about how to use your best player the most effective way. | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Also Ronaldo does play as a striker this season or at least they tried a 4-4-2 a few games didn't they Madrid? Messi is world class, Ronaldo is world class. Ronaldo was great in the premiership and even better in La Liga. Messi is awesome in La Liga now please if possible lets see what he can do in another team in another league (that is competitive, aka Premiership or Bundesliga type) | ||
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dmnum
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
On January 06 2015 17:48 Pandemona wrote: Or like a Costa when the ball can be fired in at him with 2 or 3 round him and hold them off until support arrives? He can't do that. This has to be trolling. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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Steveling
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Not sure if your understanding what i am meaning. | ||
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
He doesn't play with his back to the goal like some others because he doesn't need to. He takes the ball, faces the goal and does his thing. It's the same thing but messi does it better. *it's just a type of player, there are players good enough to dribble and face the goal(like hazard) and others more heavy or with not so good technique that need to play with their back because they can't do otherwise. | ||
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zeo
Serbia6336 Posts
On January 06 2015 08:22 Greg_J wrote: Anyone else think AFC Wimbledon should have put two finger up to Milton Keynes Dons and called themselves Real Wimbledon. lol, I read Real Wimbledon like the Real in Madrid. Was thinking it would be cool to have royal clubs in Britain. On January 06 2015 09:44 Ferrose wrote: What if Messi made a kickstarter to raise 250 million euros, so he could buyout his own contract? Then he could go to Chelsea for free. Implying there wouldn't be an anti-kickstarter to fund him staying. Happy birthday Mensol  they don't show birthdays on LiquidDota, should make a kickstarter for that. | ||
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Steveling
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HB! | ||
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Crushinator
Netherlands2138 Posts
That said, I think Messi is the best ever and he would do just as well in other leagues and other teams that play around him. I think the question of what happens if a team doesn't build around him is absurd, because why the hell wouldn't you build around a player that is so effective at spearheading your attack? | ||
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zeo
Serbia6336 Posts
On January 06 2015 19:34 Steveling wrote: Oh, is that why I can't see em? HB! Since they shut down GD we don't celebrate anything anymore. Sigh... Anyway whats up with no one liking Bale now at Madrid? I don't pay attention for one week and I miss everything, this is why I don't watch soap operas. | ||
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WillyWanker
France1915 Posts
On January 06 2015 19:52 Crushinator wrote: Messi simply is not phsyically imposing enough to play as a target man. He is a dribbler and a playmaker, his lack of physicallity is undeniably a limitation and it prevents him from being a complete forward. If a comparison must be made, Ronaldo is a more complete player, good in the air, strong, fast, and technical and a good dribbler with good vision I think he would be succesful no matter the role he is asked to play up front. That said, I think Messi is the best ever and he would do just as well in other leagues and other teams that play around him. I think the question of what happens if a team doesn't build around him is absurd, because why the hell wouldn't you build around a player that is so effective at spearheading your attack? Why being a "complete" player should only take into account physical aspects? I agree that Ronaldo is a more "complete athlete" than Messi, but Messi, imo, is a more "complete player". Messi has Xavi-level vision, Pirlo-level passing skill, and I'm not even talking about his finishing skills... Yes, he's small, but he's also a lot more difficult to stop than Ronaldo thanks to that. He's as fast, if not faster, with the ball, and he's so fast at turning around and arming his shots that he doesn't need a right foot... I agree that he cannot play like Drogba or Ibra, but except for counter-attacking/defensive teams, who plays 9 like this? Even Ibra isn't playing like this in PSG, he has freedom and plays like a false 9. There are so many other ways to use his talent, that we shouldn't even debate the case where he would have to play as a Drogba-like 9... | ||
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Steveling
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
But Ronaldo might have a better chance at that but of course he doesn't dribble to the level of Messi and able to skin 3 people with his low centre of gravity etc. Oh also it is not Mesnol birthday, his birthday is 6th December  but he selected January when signing up to TL because he messed up. He said you can't change it either xD | ||
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Akka
France291 Posts
Kinda sad that we were never able to get as much as expected out of both. | ||
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