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On January 07 2015 06:04 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2015 05:25 Rebs wrote:On January 07 2015 03:25 Pandemona wrote:On January 07 2015 01:36 Rebs wrote:On January 07 2015 01:35 sharkie wrote:On January 07 2015 01:33 Rebs wrote:On January 06 2015 20:41 Pandemona wrote:Oh ok then i misunderstood what Willy was saying. I thought he said Messi was the "complete" striker which he cannot be. I know what he does instead of holding the ball up but if he joined say West Ham he would need to be able to hold the ball up because the other 10 players on the pitch would be defending for their lives xD But Ronaldo might have a better chance at that but of course he doesn't dribble to the level of Messi and able to skin 3 people with his low centre of gravity etc.
Oh also it is not Mesnol birthday, his birthday is 6th December  but he selected January when signing up to TL because he messed up. He said you can't change it either xD IF your defination of a complete striker is someone who can play with his back to goal and play as a target man. Then the sad state of english defending shouldnt bother you at all. Heres my point. http://www.espnfc.com/blog/espn-fc-united-blog/68/post/2213484/as-defending-declinesenglish-strikers-take-the-premier-league-by-storm-by-iain-macintosh No, he says it INCLUDES being able to do that... Which is also BS because Henry was a more complete striker than half the people who make their living doing this and he wasnt exactly a target man. Besides even fucking Charlie Austin and Peter Crouch can play hold up. Its like the thinnest of all ways to build attacking play. Thats why teams with less talented attacking talent employ it. Also read the damn article and present some reasonable counter arguments, Dont cherry pick semantics. But then again cant expect much more than 140 characters out of you. A complete striker can do bits of everything. Henry has played his back to goal loads for Arsenal from my knowledge of his premier league time. Just look at his goal highlight reels and you see many goals where he is facing with his back to goal then spins or does something out of this world. But that still isn't the point. Willy says (or i misinterpreted him) that Messi was a complete striker in which he isn't because he can't do the back to goal stuff and holding it up. Or be that guy to knock it down and be strong like Ibra/Drogba strikers. All top forwards can play with their back to goal. Just pull up an Messi video and see how often he gets his heels knicked at as he weaves around and lets players advance. Playing with your back to goal is not the same as playing target man. Sorry they are different things. And frankly by the standards you are applying there is no way anyone can really be a complete striker. The closest that comes to the standards you are applying is Ibra and as good as he is, he is not even close to as prolific so clearly being a complete striker means actually being less useful by if we were to apply these paramenters Does that make sense to you ? Still waiting on a response to Mcintosh's insinuation that PL defending is absolute garbage. That is what i was implying yes, no one is the complete striker because to be complete you need to be able to be the target man, play with your back to goal, hold the ball up. Then do what Messi Suarez and Ronaldo all do in one. Never will happen, reason saying he is complete is why i posted what i did.
The underlying assumption here is that to be a complete striker you need to have the attributes of a Pack Mule...
Baffling.. Still waiting on thoughts about shite defenses, making it seem like Andy Carrol and Wilfrid Bony (although Bony is actually pretty good) are unstoppable forces of nature in the PL.
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On January 07 2015 15:48 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2015 06:04 Pandemona wrote:On January 07 2015 05:25 Rebs wrote:On January 07 2015 03:25 Pandemona wrote:On January 07 2015 01:36 Rebs wrote:On January 07 2015 01:35 sharkie wrote:On January 07 2015 01:33 Rebs wrote:On January 06 2015 20:41 Pandemona wrote:Oh ok then i misunderstood what Willy was saying. I thought he said Messi was the "complete" striker which he cannot be. I know what he does instead of holding the ball up but if he joined say West Ham he would need to be able to hold the ball up because the other 10 players on the pitch would be defending for their lives xD But Ronaldo might have a better chance at that but of course he doesn't dribble to the level of Messi and able to skin 3 people with his low centre of gravity etc.
Oh also it is not Mesnol birthday, his birthday is 6th December but he selected January when signing up to TL because he messed up. He said you can't change it either xD IF your defination of a complete striker is someone who can play with his back to goal and play as a target man. Then the sad state of english defending shouldnt bother you at all. Heres my point. http://www.espnfc.com/blog/espn-fc-united-blog/68/post/2213484/as-defending-declinesenglish-strikers-take-the-premier-league-by-storm-by-iain-macintosh No, he says it INCLUDES being able to do that... Which is also BS because Henry was a more complete striker than half the people who make their living doing this and he wasnt exactly a target man. Besides even fucking Charlie Austin and Peter Crouch can play hold up. Its like the thinnest of all ways to build attacking play. Thats why teams with less talented attacking talent employ it. Also read the damn article and present some reasonable counter arguments, Dont cherry pick semantics. But then again cant expect much more than 140 characters out of you. A complete striker can do bits of everything. Henry has played his back to goal loads for Arsenal from my knowledge of his premier league time. Just look at his goal highlight reels and you see many goals where he is facing with his back to goal then spins or does something out of this world. But that still isn't the point. Willy says (or i misinterpreted him) that Messi was a complete striker in which he isn't because he can't do the back to goal stuff and holding it up. Or be that guy to knock it down and be strong like Ibra/Drogba strikers. All top forwards can play with their back to goal. Just pull up an Messi video and see how often he gets his heels knicked at as he weaves around and lets players advance. Playing with your back to goal is not the same as playing target man. Sorry they are different things. And frankly by the standards you are applying there is no way anyone can really be a complete striker. The closest that comes to the standards you are applying is Ibra and as good as he is, he is not even close to as prolific so clearly being a complete striker means actually being less useful by if we were to apply these paramenters Does that make sense to you ? Still waiting on a response to Mcintosh's insinuation that PL defending is absolute garbage. That is what i was implying yes, no one is the complete striker because to be complete you need to be able to be the target man, play with your back to goal, hold the ball up. Then do what Messi Suarez and Ronaldo all do in one. Never will happen, reason saying he is complete is why i posted what i did. The underlying assumption here is that to be a complete striker you need to have the attributes of a Pack Mule... Baffling.. Still waiting on thoughts about shite defenses, making it seem like Andy Carrol and Wilfrid Bony (although Bony is actually pretty good) are unstoppable forces of nature in the PL.
So your saying to be a complete striker you DO NOT need to have good hold up skills, strength and be good in the air? So a striker to you doesn't score with his head? Doesn't hold the ball up and bring people into play to allow his team to get out? So the likes of Costa at Atletico Madrid when he helped them so much, or Austin for QPR in the premier league who helps them are not good strikers because of what they do?
But Messi is a good striker because every time he gets the ball he can run with it which in some cases he loses it?
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That video is why that kind of striker is not complete, if that happens to much where his head is down trying to take on a player every time to then pass it off or whatever, that can happen more.
However if his back is to the goal when he receives the ball he can either spin out or play it off and run into space.
That is all im saying to be a complete striker you should be good in every department, from heading to finishing etc.
Thoughts on defense? Not sure what you want to say, i pointed out before the world cup the way football has gone these past few years attacking play has become the norm and more goals per game the result. The world cup in 2014 was tied for most goals ever with 171 tieing with 1998. I said this before the tournament would happen due to how attacking international football had become in the past few years. The same with the premier league, it went with a spell of lots of 0-0s and 1-0s to now alot of 5-3s and such.
Premier League teams can defend when they want too still but there is more emphasis on attack these days in the premiership and the defending is not as good as it was 3-4 seasons ago. Still, likes of Southampton in premier league have played 20 games and have conceded the same amount of goals as both Real Madrid and Atletico Madrid in La Liga having played 3 games more (4 more than real)
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'IT'S HIM OR ME'
Things seem to be hotting up in Catalonia regarding the future of Barcelona superstar Lionel Messi at Camp Nou.
Spanish sports daily AS are leading with the headline: 'It's Luis Enrique or Me' this morning following the recent reported fallout between the Barca boss and his Argentinian playmaker.
And with it believed that the club's former midfielder has been told that he has two games with which to save his job by president Josep Maria Bartomeu, it seems this situation could soon be coming to a head.
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Lionel "Diva" Messi
-Dons flame-retardant suit-
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Enrique is an idiot to stand up against messi.
Messi is the single most powerful athlete of all times, just think what a couple of likes from his instagram account can do.
And thinking how incredibly tense and strict Pep is and he still got along fine with messi, that means it's all enrique's fault.
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Messi should go to PL, then Ronaldo will go back to Man Utd. Got to keep the rivalry going!
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Luis Enrique is just bad.
He did a different "startup" in the official 25 matches this season. How can you rotate so much that you don't repeat the starting 11 once in all season.
We need elections soon, the Rosell/Barto/Zubi have destroyed the team this last 4 years.
btw, tonight Madrid vs Atletico in the Spanish Cup first leg.
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what rivalry? CR and Messi play different positions. CR can only play as a winger, messi always plays centre forward, you cannot compare. CR is physical god, but messi is technical genius. They are different but both amazing. I prefer technique to brawn, but thats personal.
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On January 07 2015 20:40 Hoenicker wrote:
what rivalry? CR and Messi play different positions. CR can only play as a winger, messi always plays centre forward, you cannot compare. CR is physical god, but messi is technical genius. They are different but both amazing. I prefer technique to brawn, but thats personal.
All in one
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I'm having fun reading man.u/man.c/chelsea's forums atm, they all drool at the prospect of messi signing for them, even making formations to fit him in and what not, haha.
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On January 07 2015 17:47 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2015 15:48 Rebs wrote:On January 07 2015 06:04 Pandemona wrote:On January 07 2015 05:25 Rebs wrote:On January 07 2015 03:25 Pandemona wrote:On January 07 2015 01:36 Rebs wrote:On January 07 2015 01:35 sharkie wrote:On January 07 2015 01:33 Rebs wrote:On January 06 2015 20:41 Pandemona wrote:Oh ok then i misunderstood what Willy was saying. I thought he said Messi was the "complete" striker which he cannot be. I know what he does instead of holding the ball up but if he joined say West Ham he would need to be able to hold the ball up because the other 10 players on the pitch would be defending for their lives xD But Ronaldo might have a better chance at that but of course he doesn't dribble to the level of Messi and able to skin 3 people with his low centre of gravity etc.
Oh also it is not Mesnol birthday, his birthday is 6th December but he selected January when signing up to TL because he messed up. He said you can't change it either xD IF your defination of a complete striker is someone who can play with his back to goal and play as a target man. Then the sad state of english defending shouldnt bother you at all. Heres my point. http://www.espnfc.com/blog/espn-fc-united-blog/68/post/2213484/as-defending-declinesenglish-strikers-take-the-premier-league-by-storm-by-iain-macintosh No, he says it INCLUDES being able to do that... Which is also BS because Henry was a more complete striker than half the people who make their living doing this and he wasnt exactly a target man. Besides even fucking Charlie Austin and Peter Crouch can play hold up. Its like the thinnest of all ways to build attacking play. Thats why teams with less talented attacking talent employ it. Also read the damn article and present some reasonable counter arguments, Dont cherry pick semantics. But then again cant expect much more than 140 characters out of you. A complete striker can do bits of everything. Henry has played his back to goal loads for Arsenal from my knowledge of his premier league time. Just look at his goal highlight reels and you see many goals where he is facing with his back to goal then spins or does something out of this world. But that still isn't the point. Willy says (or i misinterpreted him) that Messi was a complete striker in which he isn't because he can't do the back to goal stuff and holding it up. Or be that guy to knock it down and be strong like Ibra/Drogba strikers. All top forwards can play with their back to goal. Just pull up an Messi video and see how often he gets his heels knicked at as he weaves around and lets players advance. Playing with your back to goal is not the same as playing target man. Sorry they are different things. And frankly by the standards you are applying there is no way anyone can really be a complete striker. The closest that comes to the standards you are applying is Ibra and as good as he is, he is not even close to as prolific so clearly being a complete striker means actually being less useful by if we were to apply these paramenters Does that make sense to you ? Still waiting on a response to Mcintosh's insinuation that PL defending is absolute garbage. That is what i was implying yes, no one is the complete striker because to be complete you need to be able to be the target man, play with your back to goal, hold the ball up. Then do what Messi Suarez and Ronaldo all do in one. Never will happen, reason saying he is complete is why i posted what i did. The underlying assumption here is that to be a complete striker you need to have the attributes of a Pack Mule... Baffling.. Still waiting on thoughts about shite defenses, making it seem like Andy Carrol and Wilfrid Bony (although Bony is actually pretty good) are unstoppable forces of nature in the PL. So your saying to be a complete striker you DO NOT need to have good hold up skills, strength and be good in the air? So a striker to you doesn't score with his head? Doesn't hold the ball up and bring people into play to allow his team to get out? So the likes of Costa at Atletico Madrid when he helped them so much, or Austin for QPR in the premier league who helps them are not good strikers because of what they do? But Messi is a good striker because every time he gets the ball he can run with it which in some cases he loses it? Short VideoThat video is why that kind of striker is not complete, if that happens to much where his head is down trying to take on a player every time to then pass it off or whatever, that can happen more. However if his back is to the goal when he receives the ball he can either spin out or play it off and run into space. That is all im saying to be a complete striker you should be good in every department, from heading to finishing etc.
You're arguing semantics here.. no player is complete in every department, but Messi comes closest to being that complete player because he has the most variable skillset. He can play on like.. 4 different positions and be the best at it.
In other news:
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On January 07 2015 20:33 Steveling wrote:
Enrique is an idiot to stand up against messi.
Messi is the single most powerful athlete of all times, just think what a couple of likes from his instagram account can do.
And thinking how incredibly tense and strict Pep is and he still got along fine with messi, that means it's all enrique's fault.
How can Messi be the single most powerful athlete? O.o
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On January 07 2015 20:40 Hoenicker wrote:
what rivalry? CR and Messi play different positions. CR can only play as a winger, messi always plays centre forward, you cannot compare. CR is physical god, but messi is technical genius. They are different but both amazing. I prefer technique to brawn, but thats personal.
TIL that there is no rivalry between CR and Messi because they are playing different positions. Fact of the matter is, they are both trying to outdo each other in their league. Media plays it up no doubt.
But surely, the fact that everyone is constantly comparing the two of them shows that there is some level of rivalry between them.
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Luis Enrique sucks and needs to be sacked but Messi behaves like a 5 year old boy
Luis Enrique tried to be a dictator without neither Charisma nor results, he even actually thought Messi was lying that he got approved to be back 2 days after the rest of the team after christmass
some time ago i dont know which p`layer was ill and he actually thought he was (again) lying and wanted a second opinion
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So, Barca fans: How plausible is it actually that Messi is standing up to Enrique, demanding that one of them has to go? I imagine he has a lot of sway (if he wants to) in the Barcelona dressing room, but Messi never struck me as the sort of character that would throw his weight around and try to remove his manager. He always just seemed like a down to earth guy, who was ridiculously good at football.
He would sure as hell not be playing for us if he went (imagine the fucking transfer fee it'd take to buy him) but I'd be lying if the prospect of seeing Messi in the Premier League doesn't make me extremely excited.
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Although Guillem Balague believes his departure is by no means imminent, La Liga legend Lionel Messi appears as close to leaving the Nou Camp as he has ever been due to internal divisions at Barcelona.
I mean for fuck sake this is going to go on all month now until January 31st with all media outputs leading with new headlines every day of a new potential club blahblah xD
"And there are clubs who have approached Messi’s family to see if he would be willing to go, especially from the Premier League. There are not many clubs who could fork out the £400m that would be needed for his buyout clause and wages.
"PSG, Real Madrid and certainly Manchester City, but while some say Chelsea, I disagree."
On January 07 2015 21:12 Steveling wrote:
I'm having fun reading man.u/man.c/chelsea's forums atm, they all drool at the prospect of messi signing for them, even making formations to fit him in and what not, haha.
You are on the wrong Chelsea forum steve. They all get laughed at when they post anything about Messi on the official Chelsea forum.
They also every day make fun of him never being able to score against Chelsea ^_^
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On January 07 2015 23:00 NuclearJudas wrote:
So, Barca fans: How plausible is it actually that Messi is standing up to Enrique, demanding that one of them has to go? I imagine he has a lot of sway (if he wants to) in the Barcelona dressing room, but Messi never struck me as the sort of character that would throw his weight around and try to remove his manager. He always just seemed like a down to earth guy, who was ridiculously good at football.
He would sure as hell not be playing for us if he went (imagine the fucking transfer fee it'd take to buy him) but I'd be lying if the prospect of seeing Messi in the Premier League doesn't make me extremely excited.
Excuse me but Messi never was a down to earth guy. He only APPEARs to be one.
He isn't as bad as C.Ronaldo but if Messi doesn't get his way he can get really bitchy.
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same sentiments as NuclearJudas, it sure would be exciting to watch Messi play in the PL
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