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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Right moving on from Messi hype about nothing....i got another question.
Ched Evans.
He recently got released from jail after serving 2.5 years of his 5 year sentence for raping a girl (of legal age!) in a hotel. An accusation he has always categorically denied.
He was a good striker before this all happened scoring goals for Sheff Utd. 42 goals in 103 games is not a bad record for a 24 year old at the time. He is now 26 and looking to start his football career again.
HOWEVER
One problem, he is now a convicted rapist and that is bad. Even though he is adamant that he did not do it and has thus hired a private detective to clear his name he wants to play football NOW.
In steps Oldham Athletic, a club in League 1 (3rd division of English football) who want to sign him. He is a free agent with a proven goal scoring record before this incident. Now all the press as you can imagine are not happy with this story and are leading alot of stories about it saying "is it right" or "is it wrong".
Sponsors of Oldham as a football club have come out and said if he signs for them they will pull from sponsoring the club and some fans are very unhappy and some don't mind.
So i ask everyone.
Has he served his time? Can he be allowed back into football and do the only thing he has known his whole career.
Or does he get punished by not being allowed to play football ever again because he has raped someone and he doesn't deserve to be paid to play football etcetc?
I also want to add Lee Hughes story to this debate. Lee Hughes was a man who was convicted of drunk driving in which he killed someone whilst drunk at the wheel. After he served his time he was allowed back to play football and he was signed by Oldham, as far as i know no one kicked up a fuss about this one. Yet the man TOOK SOMEONES LIFE, but there is a huge problem with the Ched Evans debate due to he raped someone.
Poll: Should Oldham Sign Ched Evans(Vote): Yes - He has served his time
(Vote): No - He is a rapist and doesn't deserve to play football
Poll: Should anyone who breaks the Law be allowed back into football?(Vote): No - If they break the law they should be banned
(Vote): Yes - Unless it is serious law breaking offense
(Vote): No - Unless it is a minor offence
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I may be a fool but i believe in second chances
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
It is a very tough one i admit that. Im kind of swaying to he should be allowed back into the game, ONLY because a guy who fucking killed someone whilst driving DRUNK was allowed back into the game with no fuss AT ALL. I mean imo (PERSONAL OPINION ALERT) killing someone is worst than raping someone, especially when said girl was drunk out of her face.
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The bigest problem with Ched Evans is that he shows now remorse what so ever. The burden of proof is very high In a British law court I am sure people walk away free when they have done something and there just isn't enough evidence all the time rather than the other way around. I'm pretty sure he did it.
Footballers are rolemodels and its not a simple arguement of should someone be able to have a second chance after serving their time (which by the way he hasn't. He has served half his sentence and been released early for good behaviour (otherwise known as the UK have a huge lack of places in our prisions)).
If a club lets Ched Evans play for them they are effectively saying it doesn't matter what you do as long as you're good at football we don't care who you are. This is not an image that many clubs want to assoicate with.
The wording of your pole is incredibally loaded. It's also not a question of him been banned from playing football that would be highly controversial. It's just none of the clubs want him because of the reaction and image signing him and been asoicated with him would cause.
Drink driving is very serious and it should rightly be treated as unexceptable. But they other guy whoever he is didn't mean to kill someone. Ched Evans deilbrately choose to comit his crime
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If a club lets Ched Evans play for them they are effectively saying it doesn't matter what you do as long as you're good at football we don't care who you are. This is not an image that many clubs want to assoicate with.
I disagree, it's saying people deserve a second chance and that they should be taken back into society. What's otherwise is going to happen is the guy being jobless, living on welfare and an increased chance of him repeating his crimes.
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On January 08 2015 00:20 RvB wrote:Show nested quote +If a club lets Ched Evans play for them they are effectively saying it doesn't matter what you do as long as you're good at football we don't care who you are. This is not an image that many clubs want to assoicate with.
I disagree, it's saying people deserve a second chance and that they should be taken back into society. What's otherwise is going to happen is the guy being jobless, living on welfare and an increased chance of him repeating his crimes.
I don't think anyone would have a problem with him been a plumber or working in a call centre. Not been a footballer doesn't make him jobless and not a part of soicety. It's him been idolised and looked up to by kids that most people object to.
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On January 07 2015 23:09 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2015 23:00 NuclearJudas wrote:
So, Barca fans: How plausible is it actually that Messi is standing up to Enrique, demanding that one of them has to go? I imagine he has a lot of sway (if he wants to) in the Barcelona dressing room, but Messi never struck me as the sort of character that would throw his weight around and try to remove his manager. He always just seemed like a down to earth guy, who was ridiculously good at football.
He would sure as hell not be playing for us if he went (imagine the fucking transfer fee it'd take to buy him) but I'd be lying if the prospect of seeing Messi in the Premier League doesn't make me extremely excited. Excuse me but Messi never was a down to earth guy. He only APPEARs to be one. He isn't as bad as C.Ronaldo but if Messi doesn't get his way he can get really bitchy.
Now, this is the part where I ask you to back up your claims. Not saying you're wrong, but saying "he can get really bitchy" and then dropping the mic isn't terribly convincing.
About Ched Evans: I'm not British, nor have I been following the situation closely, but to me it seems like he has served his time. Rape is obviously an awful crime, and I have no sympathy for the bloke if he's guilty. However, I'd also like for there to be second chances. It won't happen, though. No way a club in England of any repute signs this guy. It's PR suicide.
As long as it wasn't a violent crime, I don't think I'd have too much of an issue with someone getting back on the pitch again. There's no way I'd condone someone who's physically assaulted anyone else to get back onto a pitch. There's also the part about footballers being role-models. Hey, I've changed my mind - Fuck Chad Evans. He shouldn't be allowed back into football.
Also, OT - since it's not the main discussion, let's not excuse drunk drivers killing people because they didn't mean to. It's that enabling that makes them do it again and again. I'd sooner fight a friend for his keys than see him drive off drunk.
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On January 07 2015 23:01 Pandemona wrote:Although Guillem Balague believes his departure is by no means imminent, La Liga legend Lionel Messi appears as close to leaving the Nou Camp as he has ever been due to internal divisions at Barcelona. I mean for fuck sake this is going to go on all month now until January 31st with all media outputs leading with new headlines every day of a new potential club blahblah xD Show nested quote +"And there are clubs who have approached Messi’s family to see if he would be willing to go, especially from the Premier League. There are not many clubs who could fork out the £400m that would be needed for his buyout clause and wages.
"PSG, Real Madrid and certainly Manchester City, but while some say Chelsea, I disagree." Show nested quote +On January 07 2015 21:12 Steveling wrote:
I'm having fun reading man.u/man.c/chelsea's forums atm, they all drool at the prospect of messi signing for them, even making formations to fit him in and what not, haha. You are on the wrong Chelsea forum steve. They all get laughed at when they post anything about Messi on the official Chelsea forum. They also every day make fun of him never being able to score against Chelsea ^_^
Don't know what the official forum is, I'm reading something called theshedend. It appeared first on google!
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On January 08 2015 01:16 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2015 23:01 Pandemona wrote:Although Guillem Balague believes his departure is by no means imminent, La Liga legend Lionel Messi appears as close to leaving the Nou Camp as he has ever been due to internal divisions at Barcelona. I mean for fuck sake this is going to go on all month now until January 31st with all media outputs leading with new headlines every day of a new potential club blahblah xD "And there are clubs who have approached Messi’s family to see if he would be willing to go, especially from the Premier League. There are not many clubs who could fork out the £400m that would be needed for his buyout clause and wages.
"PSG, Real Madrid and certainly Manchester City, but while some say Chelsea, I disagree." On January 07 2015 21:12 Steveling wrote:
I'm having fun reading man.u/man.c/chelsea's forums atm, they all drool at the prospect of messi signing for them, even making formations to fit him in and what not, haha. You are on the wrong Chelsea forum steve. They all get laughed at when they post anything about Messi on the official Chelsea forum. They also every day make fun of him never being able to score against Chelsea ^_^ Don't know what the official forum is, I'm reading something called theshedend. It appeared first on google!
Oh i see 
http://shed.chelseafc.com/chat/forum_index.shtml?
Official Chelsea forum, you might not understand everything posted as it is very London based
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Bartomeu: "Sorry for delay. I called this press conference to communicate we have decided to call elections at end of season."
Messi literally saved barcelona.
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I don't see a problem with letting him back in. He (allegedly) did the crime, he served his time, what else would you have him do? There's precedent for this kind of thing happening in Murika, Michael Vick was a handegg player who went to prison for having a dog fighting ring. He came back to the league three years later and nearly won the league's most valuable player award.
On January 08 2015 01:02 SatedSC2 wrote:
I've seen the argument about him being remorseful or not, but I don't personally think it matters whether he is remorseful or not. It's a person's right to protest their innocence in the face of a court judgement that says otherwise, and it seems obvious to me that someone who thinks they're innocent is going to come across as unremorseful because they don't think they did anything wrong. Feel free to dislike him as a person for this if you want, but for me it doesn't mean that he shouldn't be allowed to play football.
Couldn't agree more. Expecting a prosecuted person to show remorse during a trial would imply that they committed a crime, which kinda goes against this core belief that everyone is innocent until proven guilty.
I think there is a larger problem with how the general population views criminals. People seem to believe that everyone is rather guilty until proven innocent.
I don't know what it's like in Europe, but in America, people seem to view criminals as sub-human. Many of our states have a death penalty for capital offenses, and high profile trials (such as Florida vs George Zimmerman in 2013) are something almost everybody pays attention to. It reminds me of hundreds of years ago when people would flock to the gallows or guillotine to watch people get executed. Obviously we aren't seeing those sights today, but I think a lot of people watch these trials so they can see someone brought to what they perceive as justice (if they did in fact commit a crime, that is). I find it disgusting, but I guess it just goes to show that even as society evolves and changes, human nature will always stay the same.
And the media is allowed to publish the names and pictures of people after they get arrested. So this person hasn't had a trial yet; we have no clue whether or not they are innocent or guilty, but their name and picture is being published and associated with a crime. Even if you are innocent, it can be life-ruining, as due to the population's cognitive dissonance and confirmation bias, everyone thinks you're a criminal anyway.
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How is Kaka doing actually? Is he is as good as his salary?
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Victor Valdes signed for Manchester United o_O
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waste of money pretty much
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On January 08 2015 05:31 zulu_nation8 wrote:
waste of money pretty much
They do need a second GK, Lindergaard is terrible and Valdes is a good as it can get for a second (not that expensive, they dont need to pay anything to Barcelona) GK
And Arsenal might push for Isco
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Isn't Valdes nursing an injury?
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