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ViperPL
Poland1775 Posts
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aseq
Netherlands3994 Posts
Reducing the amount of money won in the CL will only make teams less hungry for it, I feel. It might become a second EL, where some teams don't really put in much effort, since they know they won't win it at the end. Just progressing a few rounds hardly nets you anything, but puts a lot more stress on the players' fitness. | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
HYPE?!!? | ||
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Ysellian
Netherlands9029 Posts
edit: Besides a reason to why the EL gets little attention from many clubs is because getting into the champions league is so important. If the CL and EL were closer financially I'm sure many clubs would try to maximize the amount they can earn from the league. Ajax who often drop-off from the champions league call it quits after a single match. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Euro 2016 Qualifiers Kick Off 18:45 GMT (+00:00) Belarus vs Ukraine England vs San Marino Liechtenstein vs Montenegro Lithuania vs Estonia Macedonia vs Luxembourg Moldova vs Austria Slovakia vs Spain Slovenia vs Switzerland Sweden vs Russia | ||
Twisted
Netherlands13554 Posts
Anyway, both salary cap AND limitations on how many foreigners you can have in your selection would go a long way. The latter isn't mentioned yet, but it would be a great thing for the BPL. Having to field like 6 English players in your first team would actually be good for English football on the whole. Enough people playing it so there should be enough talent and then the national team could actually start producing some results. | ||
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zeo
Serbia6336 Posts
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Crushinator
Netherlands2138 Posts
There should be mandatory sell-on clauses and stricter limits on foreigners, equally in all competitions and enforced centrally to stop leaugues from competing with eachother by making these rules as lax as they can get away with. Poaching youth from other clubs should also come with a steeper financial penalty. I think this would go a long way towards making the smaller leaugues, and smaller clubs, more competitive. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On October 09 2014 19:12 Crushinator wrote: Every major change would have very serious drawbacks, it is easy to hate on FIFA for doing little about financial inequality, but honestly there isn't all that much that can be done without extremely drastic changes across the board. I don't care much about variance in winners. I'm quite happy to watch my team try to get a top 5 finish in a shitty leaugue with a bunch of third tier scandinavian youngsters. It would just be nice if the smaller leaugues don't get even smaller and poor clubs even poorer. There should be mandatory sell-on clauses and stricter limits on foreigners, equally in all competitions and enforced centrally to stop leaugues from competing with eachother by making these rules as lax as they can get away with. Poaching youth from other clubs should also come with a steeper financial penalty. I think this would go a long way towards making the smaller leaugues, and smaller clubs, more competitive. I think they addressed the youngster situation right? Isn't it now "illegal" in a sense to buy a player under 18? Obviously might be loopholes in you just attract them when they are under 16 and haven't signed a contract BUT that is a risk that you take. If you get caught your going to get Barca'd  But the only way to financially control football is by doing it across a WHOLE continent or in Europe's case, the whole of Europe. Or all the players who play for money would just jump ship to the league which doesn't have the rules. | ||
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Ysellian
Netherlands9029 Posts
On October 09 2014 19:09 zeo wrote: There will be two times more people at Wembley tonight than the entire population of San Marino. lol. Love these tiny nations, just scoring a goal for them is like winning the world cup. | ||
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Crushinator
Netherlands2138 Posts
On October 09 2014 19:33 Ysellian wrote: Great points Crushinator, btw you a Heerenveen fan? lol. Love these tiny nations, just scoring a goal for them is like winning the world cup. Yeah, but I'm a total casual though. | ||
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Salteador Neo
Andorra5591 Posts
On October 09 2014 19:33 Pandemona wrote: I think they addressed the youngster situation right? Isn't it now "illegal" in a sense to buy a player under 18? Obviously might be loopholes in you just attract them when they are under 16 and haven't signed a contract BUT that is a risk that you take. If you get caught your going to get Barca'd But the only way to financially control football is by doing it across a WHOLE continent or in Europe's case, the whole of Europe. Or all the players who play for money would just jump ship to the league which doesn't have the rules. AFAIK Barça got shit on because a dozen of those 25k youngesters were living in a country different than their parents'. | ||
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Ferrose
United States11378 Posts
And the lack of relegation makes it so teams can be horrible every year with no repercussions, so you see teams that play no meaningful games all season (because they are too far down in the standings to make the playoffs). In football, for teams at the bottom of the table, the threat of relegation means that they still have meaningful games because they're fighting to stay in their current division. Even if they are one of the worst teams in the division, the fans still have a reason to care and show up to the games. Without relegation, you end up with teams like the Cleveland Browns. Imagine if Hamburg in the Bundesliga had been as bad as they are now...for 15 years in a row. And still kept getting the top draft picks and access to the best young prospects, as well as a truckload of cash from the DFB every year. That's what the Cleveland Browns are. Yet according to Forbes, the Browns are worth $1.12 billion, higher than all but five football clubs. Edit: Leagues could impose restrictions on players from outside the EU. But placing restrictions on the number of foreign players from EU nations is illegal according to EU law per the Bosman ruling. | ||
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NuclearJudas
6546 Posts
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On October 09 2014 21:32 Ferrose wrote: I hate drafts and I hate the lack of relegation in American sports. The draft is the antithesis of what sports is all about for me. It rewards teams for being bad. And the lack of relegation makes it so teams can be horrible every year with no repercussions, so you see teams that play no meaningful games all season (because they are too far down in the standings to make the playoffs). In football, for teams at the bottom of the table, the threat of relegation means that they still have meaningful games because they're fighting to stay in their current division. Even if they are one of the worst teams in the division, the fans still have a reason to care and show up to the games. Without relegation, you end up with teams like the Cleveland Browns. Imagine if Hamburg in the Bundesliga had been as bad as they are now...for 15 years in a row. And still kept getting the top draft picks and access to the best young prospects, as well as a truckload of cash from the DFB every year. That's what the Cleveland Browns are. Yet according to Forbes, the Browns are worth $1.12 billion, higher than all but five football clubs. Edit: Leagues could impose restrictions on players from outside the EU. But placing restrictions on the number of foreign players from EU nations is illegal according to EU law per the Bosman ruling. Wow ferrose your pretty awesome for being an Arsenal fan. Nice post sir  | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On October 09 2014 14:53 lprk wrote: Number of unique winners doesn't mean anything, how tight si competition for the title is way more meaningful for league attractiveness. They go hand-in-hand most of the time. It's not like you have all kinds of teams competing and then the same few teams just happen to pull it out every year. When you look at the PL, 15 teams have absolutely 0 chance to win it as of match day one, year in and year out, and the 5 teams that do have a chance to win it are always the same. The Bundesliga is marginally better (aside from this year and last), as there are different teams that can come up and be competitive (with a huge amount of luck), but it's still a couple powerhouses vying for the title every year, and MAYBE a random dark horse or two. La Liga just tends to be two competitors, maybe three on a good year. I don't think that you can just introduce things that Americans do to suddenly fix the problem, but there's definitely something that should be done, because it's pretty boring to see that 90% of football clubs have absolutely no chance of ever actually winning anything due to the system working against them. The drafting system combined with the salary cap effectively makes sure all the teams stay at roughly the same level in the longer run. Who wants that? The only skill part is picking the right player in the draft (Portland must have been kicking themselves for not picking MJ since they had the earlier pick than the Bulls). Reducing the amount of money won in the CL will only make teams less hungry for it, I feel. It might become a second EL, where some teams don't really put in much effort, since they know they won't win it at the end. Just progressing a few rounds hardly nets you anything, but puts a lot more stress on the players' fitness. A lot of people want more parity. It's not like American sports are just a random roll of the dice to see who wins. You have to make good draft picks, you have to make quality free agent signings, you have to have the right coaching staff to properly coach and put in the right system, and finally you have to have the players perform. Representing American sports as a crap shoot like that is, at best, misleading and, at worst, blatantly lying. American sports have dynasties, they have story lines, they have power teams and perpetually awful teams and all of this. However, the difference is that, should the franchise get its shit back together and do really well in rebuilding the team, my Minnesota Timberwolves (NBA), have a legitimate shot at winning a title some day (they haven't even seen the playoffs in over a decade). Contrast that to Europe, where, unless Hell freezes over, we know that teams like Freiburg or QPR have 0% chance to ever win their respective leagues. Again, a draft wouldn't work at all and a salary cap American-style wouldn't just magically fix things, but there are some things that can be done beyond the joke that is FFP. | ||
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Greg_J
China4409 Posts
But I don’t think it’s a bad thing. It’s horrible to see clubs overspend for a few years get some slight success then plummet down to the fourth tier (Portsmouth). | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On October 09 2014 17:22 Ysellian wrote: The European league system provides interesting matches all the year long. Battle against relegation, battle for first, battle for European qualification and all the cup tournaments. The drafting system actually has teams benefiting from losing and the American sports only get interesting for the most part during the playoffs with only those barely making it providing real entertainment, but no matter everyone can win <3 (not even true) European football is not without it's issues, but the fixes are not found in American sports. Btw champions league is the thing that truly hurts all leagues in Europe, it creates a financial imbalance for participants nations. Dividing the money earned with everyone and participants getting slightly more would go a long way to fixing problems. Also limiting total number of players per team in all leagues , a team without European football could cause a lot problems for participants. Thank you. Also this notion that american sports are more balanced because of the "draft" system is bullshit. Knockout play is the only way to guarantee unique winners. And frankly that doesnt mean the winner is the best team. So saying unique winners go hand in hand with "more competition" is is also bullshit because the best team doesnt always win in a playoff system. Its this idea of any given sunday that fosters the concept, when we all know league play is the truest test of the best is, Also drafting also encourages tanking, which is the very antithesis of fostering competition. Salary caps isnt a bad idea, but like I said fostering competition is not in the broader interest of any sport. Never has been never will be. Whether you like it or not. You can throw quotation marks at "dynasties" but thats the reality of it. If the Pats have the same winning percentage as United over the last decade. I'd imagine in a league play system they would have just as much a chance of becoming a dynasty. Oh also the T-Wolves are never going to win a championship. Not in your lifetime, probably not the first time you heard it. + Show Spoiler + theres alot of "if" in the T-Wolves getting better, lets be honest those ifs are going to stay ifs | ||
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GizmoPT
Portugal3040 Posts
2-0 we won ezpz edit: we've great young players damn | ||
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NuclearJudas
6546 Posts
Ref gifts us a penalty and Seb Larsson predictably fucks up. Fucking damn it. | ||
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