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"Stomp" is me (hopefully) exaggerating, I just don't see who's going to stop them. Chelsea would have won last season with a regularly scoring striker, and now they have one in Costa and an excellent reserve in Rémy.
Obviously the thin back-line could be an issue with injuries and suspensions, but I think Mourinho has some back-up plans. That said, Man City has a ridiculous squad and could give Mou a run for the title, but they get caught out so many times each season it feels like to have a chance this year.
You can't really take the PL title race for granted, but Chelsea look like red-hot favourites to just about everyone, with good reason.
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Yeah, Chelsea this season haven't looked like they are going to be dropping many points. Everton was their biggest scare, but every time they conceded they immediately got one back until Everton had no fight left in them. Much too early to claim they are the definite winners, but red-hot favourites definitely. Hell had Lampard not come to the rescue for City, Chelsea would have been 8 points clear of City already.
Also Arsenal injuries are just bizarre, something needs to be done.
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On October 09 2014 01:23 Ferrose wrote: I love how there's all this talk about Chelsea stomping the league and possibly going unbeaten, but the Bundesliga is criticized for having the title decided in October. Sounds like you guys think the PL is decided already as well.
ya, but it's unique to this season. Chelsea looks like the strongest any PL team has been for years, and the competition looks a bit weaker than it has been for years. I think even next season it will look more open.
and I still think PL is more open than the bundesliga. Basically what Chelsea has is that they look like they're never gonna lose - but they don't look like they're going to win every game. Some games they will be content with a draw. The past two seasons, bayern won 29 out of 34 games.
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Mario Jardel have become the member of parliament in Brazil rofl.
He was my childhood hero along with Hagi ^_^
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On October 09 2014 02:43 Liquid`Drone wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 01:23 Ferrose wrote: I love how there's all this talk about Chelsea stomping the league and possibly going unbeaten, but the Bundesliga is criticized for having the title decided in October. Sounds like you guys think the PL is decided already as well. ya, but it's unique to this season. Chelsea looks like the strongest any PL team has been for years, and the competition looks a bit weaker than it has been for years. I think even next season it will look more open. and I still think PL is more open than the bundesliga. Basically what Chelsea has is that they look like they're never gonna lose - but they don't look like they're going to win every game. Some games they will be content with a draw. The past two seasons, bayern won 29 out of 34 games.
This is, quite literally, the exact same situation that the Bundesliga is in.
Bayern, starting last year, has looked incredibly dominant in a way that we hadn't seen in quite a long time in Germany prior to that season. On top of that, basically every other major team has either been stagnant or gotten worse since 2013.
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yeah, it's just that I think it's a temporary thing in the PL because at least united and city operate on the same economic level as chelsea and arsenal and liverpool aren't far behind. in germany, I'd basically take a "bayern wins the next 5 seasons" with 2:1 odds bet (if only I didn't have to wait 5 years..). In the PL, I don't think I'd that bet even for the next two seasons. So basically the situation in the PL doesn't trouble me, I still think we're gonna have 3-5 contenders the next several years, but I don't see which german team is gonna rise to the challenge.
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PL is way more open than Bundesliga, I don't remember the last time a PL team won the title when they were leading after 10 games, the second half of the season is always full of drama.
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On October 09 2014 06:16 zulu_nation8 wrote: PL is way more open than Bundesliga, I don't remember the last time a PL team won the title when they were leading after 10 games, the second half of the season is always full of drama.
This doesn't happen in the Bundesliga normally either.
It's pretty disingenuous to only pay attention to last season and this season and characterize it as the norm in the Bundesliga.
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Bayern has been the Bundesliga team for as long as I can remember. I can't think of another league with only one team head and shoulders ahead of everyone else. Inter/Milan/Juventus, Barcelona/RM, etc. It's not something new to german football. Quick google search says they have 23 titles against like 5 from the second place.
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On October 09 2014 08:32 SKC wrote: Bayern has been the Bundesliga team for as long as I can remember. I can't think of another league with only one team head and shoulders ahead of everyone else. Inter/Milan/Juventus, Barcelona/RM, etc. It's not something new to german football. Quick google search says they have 23 titles against like 5 from the second place.
Bayern has been the team but they've rarely dominated in the fashion that they have over the last two years. Most years result in slim league wins that go down to the last couple match days.
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On October 09 2014 10:12 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 08:32 SKC wrote: Bayern has been the Bundesliga team for as long as I can remember. I can't think of another league with only one team head and shoulders ahead of everyone else. Inter/Milan/Juventus, Barcelona/RM, etc. It's not something new to german football. Quick google search says they have 23 titles against like 5 from the second place. Bayern has been the team but they've rarely dominated in the fashion that they have over the last two years. Most years result in slim league wins that go down to the last couple match days.
And when those "slim" seasons happen Bayern just buys out all the good players from the 2nd and 3rd place getters and runs away again.
You see this in so many leagues. Like in Spain I'd say Ateltico, Sevilla, Valencia and Sociedad (to a lesser extent than the other 3) will produce some wunderkinds/ nurture and produce great existing talent, win and/or come close second/third every 3 year cycle. Then they just sell (almost) their entire squad and return to middle of the table. I feel sorry for these "not super rich" clubs.
John oliver hit the nail on the head for me a little bit when he was trying to (albeit with a fair amount of sarcasm) explain footbal to another person (can't remember the other person but he was american... I think it might have been Letterman)
The exchange was something like: "So in football how many teams win the competition" Jon Oliver: "See I don't know how to explain football to an American, because if I tell you that only 3-4 teams have a realistic chance of EVER winning the league you'd ask me 'then what's the point of the other teams playing?' and I can't answer that question"
Honestly I think football needs some kind of drafting system, because the imbalance is so bad these days lower teams are content with just "scraping by".FFP doesn't work. People just bend the rules with "sponsorship deals" and then pay off some UEFA execs when brought into question. It's so hard to be an Englishman and be born outside London, Liverpool or Manchester. If you're born anywhere else it's pretty much guaranteed you're following a team with very little hope of winning anything in your lifetime. A quick quote from wiki to prove my point: "Of the 46 clubs to have competed since the inception of the Premier League in 1992, five have won the title: Manchester United (13), Arsenal (3), Chelsea (3), Manchester City (2) and Blackburn Rovers (1). The current champions are Manchester City, who won the title in 2013–14." That's over 20 years.. If you look at the top 4 year-in year-out it gets even worse!!!!!!!!!!!! Simply put, what's the point of goign for a team that's outside the "top 4 clubs" (arguably 5 now)? (unless you're just a devotee and don't care about win/lose)
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On October 09 2014 11:24 MaZza[KIS] wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 10:12 Stratos_speAr wrote:On October 09 2014 08:32 SKC wrote: Bayern has been the Bundesliga team for as long as I can remember. I can't think of another league with only one team head and shoulders ahead of everyone else. Inter/Milan/Juventus, Barcelona/RM, etc. It's not something new to german football. Quick google search says they have 23 titles against like 5 from the second place. Bayern has been the team but they've rarely dominated in the fashion that they have over the last two years. Most years result in slim league wins that go down to the last couple match days. And when those "slim" seasons happen Bayern just buys out all the good players from the 2nd and 3rd place getters and runs away again. You see this in so many leagues. Like in Spain I'd say Ateltico, Sevilla, Valencia and Sociedad (to a lesser extent than the other 3) will produce some wunderkinds/ nurture and produce great existing talent, win and/or come close second/third every 3 year cycle. Then they just sell (almost) their entire squad and return to middle of the table. I feel sorry for these "not super rich" clubs. John oliver hit the nail on the head for me a little bit when he was trying to (albeit with a fair amount of sarcasm) explain footbal to another person (can't remember the other person but he was american... I think it might have been Letterman) The exchange was something like: "So in football how many teams win the competition" Jon Oliver: "See I don't know how to explain football to an American, because if I tell you that only 3-4 teams have a realistic chance of EVER winning the league you'd ask me 'then what's the point of the other teams playing?' and I can't answer that question" Honestly I think football needs some kind of drafting system, because the imbalance is so bad these days lower teams are content with just "scraping by".FFP doesn't work. People just bend the rules with "sponsorship deals" and then pay off some UEFA execs when brought into question. It's so hard to be an Englishman and be born outside London, Liverpool or Manchester. If you're born anywhere else it's pretty much guaranteed you're following a team with very little hope of winning anything in your lifetime. A quick quote from wiki to prove my point: "Of the 46 clubs to have competed since the inception of the Premier League in 1992, five have won the title: Manchester United (13), Arsenal (3), Chelsea (3), Manchester City (2) and Blackburn Rovers (1). The current champions are Manchester City, who won the title in 2013–14." That's over 20 years.. If you look at the top 4 year-in year-out it gets even worse!!!!!!!!!!!! Simply put, what's the point of goign for a team that's outside the "top 4 clubs" (arguably 5 now)? (unless you're just a devotee and don't care about win/lose)
Spain, Italy, and Germany are in the same boat, with, at most, 6 different winners in that period.
But don't bring that up, because the competition is totally fine right now and everyone only wants to see the big teams win and "dynasties" and "story lines" to be made...
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On October 09 2014 14:13 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 11:24 MaZza[KIS] wrote:On October 09 2014 10:12 Stratos_speAr wrote:On October 09 2014 08:32 SKC wrote: Bayern has been the Bundesliga team for as long as I can remember. I can't think of another league with only one team head and shoulders ahead of everyone else. Inter/Milan/Juventus, Barcelona/RM, etc. It's not something new to german football. Quick google search says they have 23 titles against like 5 from the second place. Bayern has been the team but they've rarely dominated in the fashion that they have over the last two years. Most years result in slim league wins that go down to the last couple match days. And when those "slim" seasons happen Bayern just buys out all the good players from the 2nd and 3rd place getters and runs away again. You see this in so many leagues. Like in Spain I'd say Ateltico, Sevilla, Valencia and Sociedad (to a lesser extent than the other 3) will produce some wunderkinds/ nurture and produce great existing talent, win and/or come close second/third every 3 year cycle. Then they just sell (almost) their entire squad and return to middle of the table. I feel sorry for these "not super rich" clubs. John oliver hit the nail on the head for me a little bit when he was trying to (albeit with a fair amount of sarcasm) explain footbal to another person (can't remember the other person but he was american... I think it might have been Letterman) The exchange was something like: "So in football how many teams win the competition" Jon Oliver: "See I don't know how to explain football to an American, because if I tell you that only 3-4 teams have a realistic chance of EVER winning the league you'd ask me 'then what's the point of the other teams playing?' and I can't answer that question" Honestly I think football needs some kind of drafting system, because the imbalance is so bad these days lower teams are content with just "scraping by".FFP doesn't work. People just bend the rules with "sponsorship deals" and then pay off some UEFA execs when brought into question. It's so hard to be an Englishman and be born outside London, Liverpool or Manchester. If you're born anywhere else it's pretty much guaranteed you're following a team with very little hope of winning anything in your lifetime. A quick quote from wiki to prove my point: "Of the 46 clubs to have competed since the inception of the Premier League in 1992, five have won the title: Manchester United (13), Arsenal (3), Chelsea (3), Manchester City (2) and Blackburn Rovers (1). The current champions are Manchester City, who won the title in 2013–14." That's over 20 years.. If you look at the top 4 year-in year-out it gets even worse!!!!!!!!!!!! Simply put, what's the point of goign for a team that's outside the "top 4 clubs" (arguably 5 now)? (unless you're just a devotee and don't care about win/lose) Spain, Italy, and Germany are in the same boat, with, at most, 6 different winners in that period. But don't bring that up, because the competition is totally fine right now and everyone only wants to see the big teams win and "dynasties" and "story lines" to be made...
Worst of all it's totally in UEFA's corrupt interests for this to continue in order to help ease in a European Super League- aka the death of every football club in Europe that doesn't make the grade.
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Number of unique winners doesn't mean anything, how tight si competition for the title is way more meaningful for league attractiveness.
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That's why I really like sports in America, because bullshit like that (domination by the richest) isn't going to happen thanks to salary cap. Sure, there are worse teams and better teams but thanks to draft and same budget limit it offers more even playing field than football in europe does. Plus it gives bottom feeders a chance to contend for trophies when they get a few years of high draft picks (except Edmonton trolololo :D).
Also, I think the biggest offenders in this whole situation are RM/Barca. Bayern only recently facerolls the league, more often then not there are a few contenders for the Bundesliga title. PL, Serie A, Ligue 1 all have more than 1 or 2 contenders for the most part, but in Spain it's only RM/Barca for the longest time with an odd winner once per decade mixed somewhere in between.
Does anyone remember the last time such a big injury plague spread throughout the top leagues? I think all top teams in Europe except for maybe Chelsea and Man City have half of their squads injured, it's really annoying.
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If football becomes like American sports, I will join the armed rebellion.
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Are you guys kidding me? Franchise sports are the devil. Period.
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The European league system provides interesting matches all the year long. Battle against relegation, battle for first, battle for European qualification and all the cup tournaments. The drafting system actually has teams benefiting from losing and the American sports only get interesting for the most part during the playoffs with only those barely making it providing real entertainment, but no matter everyone can win <3 (not even true)
European football is not without it's issues, but the fixes are not found in American sports. Btw champions league is the thing that truly hurts all leagues in Europe, it creates a financial imbalance for participants nations. Dividing the money earned with everyone and participants getting slightly more would go a long way to fixing problems. Also limiting total number of players per team in all leagues , a team without European football could cause a lot problems for participants.
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