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NuclearJudas
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
6546 Posts
October 08 2014 16:39 GMT
#5361
"Stomp" is me (hopefully) exaggerating, I just don't see who's going to stop them. Chelsea would have won last season with a regularly scoring striker, and now they have one in Costa and an excellent reserve in Rémy.

Obviously the thin back-line could be an issue with injuries and suspensions, but I think Mourinho has some back-up plans. That said, Man City has a ridiculous squad and could give Mou a run for the title, but they get caught out so many times each season it feels like to have a chance this year.

You can't really take the PL title race for granted, but Chelsea look like red-hot favourites to just about everyone, with good reason.
Life is like Tetris. Your errors pile up but your accomplishments disappear. - Robert Ohlén | http://railroaddiary.wordpress.com/ - My words about stuff.
Ysellian
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands9029 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-08 17:05:21
October 08 2014 17:02 GMT
#5362
Yeah, Chelsea this season haven't looked like they are going to be dropping many points. Everton was their biggest scare, but every time they conceded they immediately got one back until Everton had no fight left in them. Much too early to claim they are the definite winners, but red-hot favourites definitely. Hell had Lampard not come to the rescue for City, Chelsea would have been 8 points clear of City already.

Also Arsenal injuries are just bizarre, something needs to be done.
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28875 Posts
October 08 2014 17:43 GMT
#5363
On October 09 2014 01:23 Ferrose wrote:
I love how there's all this talk about Chelsea stomping the league and possibly going unbeaten, but the Bundesliga is criticized for having the title decided in October. Sounds like you guys think the PL is decided already as well.


ya, but it's unique to this season. Chelsea looks like the strongest any PL team has been for years, and the competition looks a bit weaker than it has been for years. I think even next season it will look more open.

and I still think PL is more open than the bundesliga. Basically what Chelsea has is that they look like they're never gonna lose - but they don't look like they're going to win every game. Some games they will be content with a draw. The past two seasons, bayern won 29 out of 34 games.
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Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-08 18:47:18
October 08 2014 18:42 GMT
#5364
Mario Jardel have become the member of parliament in Brazil rofl.

He was my childhood hero along with Hagi ^_^
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
October 08 2014 20:14 GMT
#5365
On October 09 2014 02:43 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2014 01:23 Ferrose wrote:
I love how there's all this talk about Chelsea stomping the league and possibly going unbeaten, but the Bundesliga is criticized for having the title decided in October. Sounds like you guys think the PL is decided already as well.


ya, but it's unique to this season. Chelsea looks like the strongest any PL team has been for years, and the competition looks a bit weaker than it has been for years. I think even next season it will look more open.

and I still think PL is more open than the bundesliga. Basically what Chelsea has is that they look like they're never gonna lose - but they don't look like they're going to win every game. Some games they will be content with a draw. The past two seasons, bayern won 29 out of 34 games.


This is, quite literally, the exact same situation that the Bundesliga is in.

Bayern, starting last year, has looked incredibly dominant in a way that we hadn't seen in quite a long time in Germany prior to that season. On top of that, basically every other major team has either been stagnant or gotten worse since 2013.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28875 Posts
October 08 2014 20:20 GMT
#5366
yeah, it's just that I think it's a temporary thing in the PL because at least united and city operate on the same economic level as chelsea and arsenal and liverpool aren't far behind. in germany, I'd basically take a "bayern wins the next 5 seasons" with 2:1 odds bet (if only I didn't have to wait 5 years..). In the PL, I don't think I'd that bet even for the next two seasons. So basically the situation in the PL doesn't trouble me, I still think we're gonna have 3-5 contenders the next several years, but I don't see which german team is gonna rise to the challenge.
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zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
October 08 2014 21:16 GMT
#5367
PL is way more open than Bundesliga, I don't remember the last time a PL team won the title when they were leading after 10 games, the second half of the season is always full of drama.
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
October 08 2014 21:23 GMT
#5368
On October 09 2014 06:16 zulu_nation8 wrote:
PL is way more open than Bundesliga, I don't remember the last time a PL team won the title when they were leading after 10 games, the second half of the season is always full of drama.


This doesn't happen in the Bundesliga normally either.

It's pretty disingenuous to only pay attention to last season and this season and characterize it as the norm in the Bundesliga.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
October 08 2014 23:32 GMT
#5369
Bayern has been the Bundesliga team for as long as I can remember. I can't think of another league with only one team head and shoulders ahead of everyone else. Inter/Milan/Juventus, Barcelona/RM, etc. It's not something new to german football. Quick google search says they have 23 titles against like 5 from the second place.
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
October 09 2014 01:12 GMT
#5370
On October 09 2014 08:32 SKC wrote:
Bayern has been the Bundesliga team for as long as I can remember. I can't think of another league with only one team head and shoulders ahead of everyone else. Inter/Milan/Juventus, Barcelona/RM, etc. It's not something new to german football. Quick google search says they have 23 titles against like 5 from the second place.


Bayern has been the team but they've rarely dominated in the fashion that they have over the last two years. Most years result in slim league wins that go down to the last couple match days.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 09 2014 01:41 GMT
#5371
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
MaZza[KIS]
Profile Joined December 2005
Australia2110 Posts
October 09 2014 02:24 GMT
#5372
On October 09 2014 10:12 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2014 08:32 SKC wrote:
Bayern has been the Bundesliga team for as long as I can remember. I can't think of another league with only one team head and shoulders ahead of everyone else. Inter/Milan/Juventus, Barcelona/RM, etc. It's not something new to german football. Quick google search says they have 23 titles against like 5 from the second place.


Bayern has been the team but they've rarely dominated in the fashion that they have over the last two years. Most years result in slim league wins that go down to the last couple match days.


And when those "slim" seasons happen Bayern just buys out all the good players from the 2nd and 3rd place getters and runs away again.

You see this in so many leagues. Like in Spain I'd say Ateltico, Sevilla, Valencia and Sociedad (to a lesser extent than the other 3) will produce some wunderkinds/ nurture and produce great existing talent, win and/or come close second/third every 3 year cycle. Then they just sell (almost) their entire squad and return to middle of the table. I feel sorry for these "not super rich" clubs.

John oliver hit the nail on the head for me a little bit when he was trying to (albeit with a fair amount of sarcasm) explain footbal to another person (can't remember the other person but he was american... I think it might have been Letterman)

The exchange was something like:
"So in football how many teams win the competition"
Jon Oliver: "See I don't know how to explain football to an American, because if I tell you that only 3-4 teams have a realistic chance of EVER winning the league you'd ask me 'then what's the point of the other teams playing?' and I can't answer that question"

Honestly I think football needs some kind of drafting system, because the imbalance is so bad these days lower teams are content with just "scraping by".FFP doesn't work. People just bend the rules with "sponsorship deals" and then pay off some UEFA execs when brought into question. It's so hard to be an Englishman and be born outside London, Liverpool or Manchester. If you're born anywhere else it's pretty much guaranteed you're following a team with very little hope of winning anything in your lifetime. A quick quote from wiki to prove my point: "Of the 46 clubs to have competed since the inception of the Premier League in 1992, five have won the title: Manchester United (13), Arsenal (3), Chelsea (3), Manchester City (2) and Blackburn Rovers (1). The current champions are Manchester City, who won the title in 2013–14." That's over 20 years.. If you look at the top 4 year-in year-out it gets even worse!!!!!!!!!!!! Simply put, what's the point of goign for a team that's outside the "top 4 clubs" (arguably 5 now)? (unless you're just a devotee and don't care about win/lose)
I really wanted a bigger opponent, like Nate Marquardt, or King Neptune, or Zeus, or Zeus and Fedor, or Fedor on Zeus's shoulders, and they can both punch but only Zeus can kick.
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-09 05:16:46
October 09 2014 05:13 GMT
#5373
On October 09 2014 11:24 MaZza[KIS] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2014 10:12 Stratos_speAr wrote:
On October 09 2014 08:32 SKC wrote:
Bayern has been the Bundesliga team for as long as I can remember. I can't think of another league with only one team head and shoulders ahead of everyone else. Inter/Milan/Juventus, Barcelona/RM, etc. It's not something new to german football. Quick google search says they have 23 titles against like 5 from the second place.


Bayern has been the team but they've rarely dominated in the fashion that they have over the last two years. Most years result in slim league wins that go down to the last couple match days.


And when those "slim" seasons happen Bayern just buys out all the good players from the 2nd and 3rd place getters and runs away again.

You see this in so many leagues. Like in Spain I'd say Ateltico, Sevilla, Valencia and Sociedad (to a lesser extent than the other 3) will produce some wunderkinds/ nurture and produce great existing talent, win and/or come close second/third every 3 year cycle. Then they just sell (almost) their entire squad and return to middle of the table. I feel sorry for these "not super rich" clubs.

John oliver hit the nail on the head for me a little bit when he was trying to (albeit with a fair amount of sarcasm) explain footbal to another person (can't remember the other person but he was american... I think it might have been Letterman)

The exchange was something like:
"So in football how many teams win the competition"
Jon Oliver: "See I don't know how to explain football to an American, because if I tell you that only 3-4 teams have a realistic chance of EVER winning the league you'd ask me 'then what's the point of the other teams playing?' and I can't answer that question"

Honestly I think football needs some kind of drafting system, because the imbalance is so bad these days lower teams are content with just "scraping by".FFP doesn't work. People just bend the rules with "sponsorship deals" and then pay off some UEFA execs when brought into question. It's so hard to be an Englishman and be born outside London, Liverpool or Manchester. If you're born anywhere else it's pretty much guaranteed you're following a team with very little hope of winning anything in your lifetime. A quick quote from wiki to prove my point: "Of the 46 clubs to have competed since the inception of the Premier League in 1992, five have won the title: Manchester United (13), Arsenal (3), Chelsea (3), Manchester City (2) and Blackburn Rovers (1). The current champions are Manchester City, who won the title in 2013–14." That's over 20 years.. If you look at the top 4 year-in year-out it gets even worse!!!!!!!!!!!! Simply put, what's the point of goign for a team that's outside the "top 4 clubs" (arguably 5 now)? (unless you're just a devotee and don't care about win/lose)


Spain, Italy, and Germany are in the same boat, with, at most, 6 different winners in that period.

But don't bring that up, because the competition is totally fine right now and everyone only wants to see the big teams win and "dynasties" and "story lines" to be made...
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
ZeroChrome
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada1001 Posts
October 09 2014 05:52 GMT
#5374
On October 09 2014 14:13 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2014 11:24 MaZza[KIS] wrote:
On October 09 2014 10:12 Stratos_speAr wrote:
On October 09 2014 08:32 SKC wrote:
Bayern has been the Bundesliga team for as long as I can remember. I can't think of another league with only one team head and shoulders ahead of everyone else. Inter/Milan/Juventus, Barcelona/RM, etc. It's not something new to german football. Quick google search says they have 23 titles against like 5 from the second place.


Bayern has been the team but they've rarely dominated in the fashion that they have over the last two years. Most years result in slim league wins that go down to the last couple match days.


And when those "slim" seasons happen Bayern just buys out all the good players from the 2nd and 3rd place getters and runs away again.

You see this in so many leagues. Like in Spain I'd say Ateltico, Sevilla, Valencia and Sociedad (to a lesser extent than the other 3) will produce some wunderkinds/ nurture and produce great existing talent, win and/or come close second/third every 3 year cycle. Then they just sell (almost) their entire squad and return to middle of the table. I feel sorry for these "not super rich" clubs.

John oliver hit the nail on the head for me a little bit when he was trying to (albeit with a fair amount of sarcasm) explain footbal to another person (can't remember the other person but he was american... I think it might have been Letterman)

The exchange was something like:
"So in football how many teams win the competition"
Jon Oliver: "See I don't know how to explain football to an American, because if I tell you that only 3-4 teams have a realistic chance of EVER winning the league you'd ask me 'then what's the point of the other teams playing?' and I can't answer that question"

Honestly I think football needs some kind of drafting system, because the imbalance is so bad these days lower teams are content with just "scraping by".FFP doesn't work. People just bend the rules with "sponsorship deals" and then pay off some UEFA execs when brought into question. It's so hard to be an Englishman and be born outside London, Liverpool or Manchester. If you're born anywhere else it's pretty much guaranteed you're following a team with very little hope of winning anything in your lifetime. A quick quote from wiki to prove my point: "Of the 46 clubs to have competed since the inception of the Premier League in 1992, five have won the title: Manchester United (13), Arsenal (3), Chelsea (3), Manchester City (2) and Blackburn Rovers (1). The current champions are Manchester City, who won the title in 2013–14." That's over 20 years.. If you look at the top 4 year-in year-out it gets even worse!!!!!!!!!!!! Simply put, what's the point of goign for a team that's outside the "top 4 clubs" (arguably 5 now)? (unless you're just a devotee and don't care about win/lose)


Spain, Italy, and Germany are in the same boat, with, at most, 6 different winners in that period.

But don't bring that up, because the competition is totally fine right now and everyone only wants to see the big teams win and "dynasties" and "story lines" to be made...


Worst of all it's totally in UEFA's corrupt interests for this to continue in order to help ease in a European Super League- aka the death of every football club in Europe that doesn't make the grade.
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lprk
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland2249 Posts
October 09 2014 05:53 GMT
#5375
Number of unique winners doesn't mean anything, how tight si competition for the title is way more meaningful for league attractiveness.
ViperPL
Profile Joined March 2011
Poland1775 Posts
October 09 2014 06:01 GMT
#5376
That's why I really like sports in America, because bullshit like that (domination by the richest) isn't going to happen thanks to salary cap. Sure, there are worse teams and better teams but thanks to draft and same budget limit it offers more even playing field than football in europe does. Plus it gives bottom feeders a chance to contend for trophies when they get a few years of high draft picks (except Edmonton trolololo :D).

Also, I think the biggest offenders in this whole situation are RM/Barca. Bayern only recently facerolls the league, more often then not there are a few contenders for the Bundesliga title. PL, Serie A, Ligue 1 all have more than 1 or 2 contenders for the most part, but in Spain it's only RM/Barca for the longest time with an odd winner once per decade mixed somewhere in between.

Does anyone remember the last time such a big injury plague spread throughout the top leagues? I think all top teams in Europe except for maybe Chelsea and Man City have half of their squads injured, it's really annoying.
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Crushinator
Profile Joined August 2011
Netherlands2138 Posts
October 09 2014 06:40 GMT
#5377
If football becomes like American sports, I will join the armed rebellion.
zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6343 Posts
October 09 2014 07:14 GMT
#5378
Are you guys kidding me? Franchise sports are the devil. Period.
Pre-emptive retaliatory de-escalation action
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
October 09 2014 07:44 GMT
#5379
Yeah im not for this franchise stuff. A salary cap would work fine if it was spread over every single league in Europe lol. If not it just fucks up one country big time.

As for the question why do teams who know they wont win the league play? Because there is ALWAYS a chance of an upset, there is always a cup run or a major surprise. Beating a big team is like a trophy for some teams. If Leicester get relegated this season they know they have beaten Man Utd 5-3 at home and drew vs Arsenal. Im pretty sure they are more than happy with that?

Also the reason American sports have different winners is because it is a level playing field thanks to draft pick stuff not for salary cap. Take it as Messi coming up from youth as no1 draft pick, to be picked by Levante or someone due to them finishing bottom and having no1 pick lol. That would be funny huh
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Ysellian
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands9029 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-09 08:30:31
October 09 2014 08:22 GMT
#5380
The European league system provides interesting matches all the year long. Battle against relegation, battle for first, battle for European qualification and all the cup tournaments. The drafting system actually has teams benefiting from losing and the American sports only get interesting for the most part during the playoffs with only those barely making it providing real entertainment, but no matter everyone can win <3 (not even true)

European football is not without it's issues, but the fixes are not found in American sports. Btw champions league is the thing that truly hurts all leagues in Europe, it creates a financial imbalance for participants nations. Dividing the money earned with everyone and participants getting slightly more would go a long way to fixing problems. Also limiting total number of players per team in all leagues , a team without European football could cause a lot problems for participants.
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