EPTKobe isn't easy to get along with but he certainly hasnt hurt the Lakers. He's arguably done more for that franchise than Magic.
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RowdierBob
Australia13365 Posts
Kobe isn't easy to get along with but he certainly hasnt hurt the Lakers. He's arguably done more for that franchise than Magic. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
The mistake is Steve Nash and trading away picks. | ||
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icystorage
Jollibee19350 Posts
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
On October 21 2014 12:32 Ace wrote: http://patternofbasketball.blogspot.com/2014/10/kobe-and-nba-rank.html  great read | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16121 Posts
On October 21 2014 12:32 Ace wrote: http://patternofbasketball.blogspot.com/2014/10/kobe-and-nba-rank.html I love the social commentary on American business within the framework of the NBA. Puts a lot of things right back into their proper perspective. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On October 21 2014 12:51 Vindicare605 wrote: I love the social commentary on American business within the framework of the NBA. Puts a lot of things right back into their proper perspective. Yea, these 2 paragraphs specifically gave me an 'oh, wow...' moment: It's almost Orwellian the way NBA teams have convinced fans and the media to internalize their corporate spin - the Bobs in Office Space were all about increasing IniTech's financial flexibility, I guarantee you that. So when a team decides to make a move that looks beyond quarterly profit reports, it defies explanation. The outrage about Kobe's contract was palpable - no longer worth the money! Never mind that Kobe is the public face of a company that made hundreds of millions of dollars last year and the goodwill he generates among their massive fan-base is worth at least $25 million. Not only is breaking off a tiny percentage of the profits to Kobe right thing to do, it's also the obvious business move. The salary cap has turned fans into the unpaid accountants of unimaginably rich people who are making unimaginably large amounts of money and we become indignant when paying the employees eats into even a small percentage of the profits. Do not be distracted by the man behind the curtain. Donald Sterling made $2 billion for running the Los Angeles Clippers into the ground for 30 years, but the real story is whether DeAndre Jordan is worth a contract starting at $15 million a season. Kobe knows the deal - the players are overpaid, but the owners are too. This, the NBA TV Analytics/Next 10 discussions (cringe worthy), and thinking about why James Harden isn't as popular as prime Wade/Kobe have had me thinking about where the league and fan outlook is heading. I think we're seeing a backlash to the efficiency/"advanced" metrics/"overpaid on his contract!" crowd and I'm somewhat glad for it because I've seen some gross, borderline stupid misuse of the these terms. The bolded in particular reminds me of something I often think about reading fan comments in labor disputes: Americans claim to believe in free market ideas and capitalism but become socialist when it comes to other people's money. | ||
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slyboogie
United States3423 Posts
On October 21 2014 13:10 Ace wrote: Yea, these 2 paragraphs specifically gave me an 'oh, wow...' moment: This, the NBA TV Analytics/Next 10 discussions (cringe worthy), and thinking about why James Harden isn't as popular as prime Wade/Kobe have had me thinking about where the league and fan outlook is heading. I think we're seeing a backlash to the efficiency/"advanced" metrics/"overpaid on his contract!" crowd and I'm somewhat glad for it because I've seen some gross, borderline stupid misuse of the these terms. The bolded in particular reminds me of something I often think about reading fan comments in labor disputes: Americans claim to believe in free market ideas and capitalism but become socialist when it comes to other people's money. I was accused by someone of being Marxist for arguing this exact point vis-a-vis abolishing the salary cap. And I was advocating a free labor market! I will enjoy going back into the old forum posts to look for this. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13365 Posts
For fans who just want success each year, everything is seen through the lens of success. That's where Kobe's contract gets ridiculous. If you want to do the right thing by a guy who has made your business a shit load of money then you pay Kobe what he's due. Like I said when he first signed the extension: Kobe earned that money and sport is more than just about winning sometimes. They probably knew it'd hamstring their chances but it's more important to show respect to Kobe and end it the right way with him as a Laker. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13365 Posts
Free markets have their limits. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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slyboogie
United States3423 Posts
On October 21 2014 14:17 RowdierBob wrote: Abolishing the cap would ruin competition in the Nba. It's like saying you should abolish antitrust laws for business. Free markets have their limits. I'm not sure we should have this conversation again. Salary caps do not exist for competitive balance. Salary caps exist to suppress the earning power of labor. Operations needs to control their costs. There is no better way to do that then to build a limiter on labor spending into the very structure of the enterprise. The salary cap is also why Henry Abbot wrote that awful article. He is stuck in the discourse. It is why Kobe Bryant is somehow to blame for his contract. It is why the Lakers' woes are laid at the feet of one of its most productive, highest-revenue generating employees. The poor Lakers can't sign stars cause selfish arrogant Kobe eats so much salary cap space? | ||
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Doraemon
Australia14949 Posts
On October 21 2014 13:10 Ace wrote: Yea, these 2 paragraphs specifically gave me an 'oh, wow...' moment: This, the NBA TV Analytics/Next 10 discussions (cringe worthy), and thinking about why James Harden isn't as popular as prime Wade/Kobe have had me thinking about where the league and fan outlook is heading. I think we're seeing a backlash to the efficiency/"advanced" metrics/"overpaid on his contract!" crowd and I'm somewhat glad for it because I've seen some gross, borderline stupid misuse of the these terms. The bolded in particular reminds me of something I often think about reading fan comments in labor disputes: Americans claim to believe in free market ideas and capitalism but become socialist when it comes to other people's money. maybe i am wrong and on a tangent, but there's a lack of differentiation between fan and investor. if i was an investor i would be glad they kept kobe to keep generating the income and profits. but as a fan, my investment into the team is to seek performance success and kobe's contract inhibits that significantly | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
 "Why can't the Lakers get better players?!" "Because Kobe makes too much money and we can't afford Kevin Love" "What? We made a 100 million last year!" "Well there's a salary cap" "So?, just get rid of it. Boom! problem solved!" "No, that would ruin competitive balance" "God damn that greedy Kobe..." | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13365 Posts
The cap recognises a team like Milwaukee or charlotte can't compete financially with an LA or New York (and through no fault of their own i.e. geography/economics). Nobody wants an Nba like the major European football leagues. If that means 'supressing the earning power of labor' then so be it. A system that promotes competition is more important. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13365 Posts
Everyone knows the rules. If you dont like Kobes contract, blame the dolt who offered him the $$$ | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
Milwaukee and Charlotte shouldn't be competing with NY or LA on the basis of location because it hardly matters to acquiring great players - the #1 reason why basketball teams win. A business owner that goes into an industry that prints money and knows many of the fixed costs up front has 0 reason to cry when they aren't getting what they feel is enough out of the product. In most other industries, the business would fail. Either the billionaire owner stops putting up capital and/or the team MOVES to another location where it can be supported. Of course, the NBA does not function in a free market so this does not apply. Sports teams can not fail. Hence, you can move from a large market like Seattle to an ultra small market like Oklahoma City, make money - and still cry poverty . You want free market principles but oddly argue against abolishing a salary cap which is a free market idea. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13365 Posts
It's not like the Nba is ratifying every team decision ala cp3 to Lakers to artificially keep things "fair". All the cap does is stop the rich simply outspending the not so rich like in the EPL or any other euro football league. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13365 Posts
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slyboogie
United States3423 Posts
But, please, at least recognize it. Admit that you support a league that would pillage tax money, lockout seasons to further suppress their labors' earning power and take your cable subscription fees for games like The 76ers at The Bobcats! Thanks for buying NBA TV! They couch it in language like competitive balance and, because we all love the NBA, we accept it. But we have to be aware of it. At least have an idea of who's exploiting whom. Edit: that "exactly" was for ace. Not u bob, cuz I h8 u for disagreeing with me >=[ | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13365 Posts
The top players don't get what they're worth but it's hard to feel bad for someone making $20mill a year to play basketball. The cap benefits consumers and thats the right focus for mine. | ||
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