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On June 18 2015 04:48 QuanticHawk wrote:
Unless it were an ass draft, I would not trade the 16th for him heads up. I don't think he's quite that good. Schneider got the 8th just a few years ago. He's better, was better back then, and had a larger sample size. I wouldn't call the 16th a sure thing necessarily, but I think anything in the top 20 generally has a good chance of getting a decent NHLer. It's got significantly more value than picking at 27 or whatever the Rangers would be doing if they had not traded the next few decades of first away
I think the thing about this draft is that it is considered stupid deep. Like the 16th this year is seen as the equivalent of an 8th or 9th in another year. Almost have to treat the 20th pick in this draft like something just outside the top 10 in any other. Drafts are weird.
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biggest thing with a Talbot trade is that the Rangers mortgaged their future so hard the last few years in trades, and the pieces they got haven't shown much. St. Louis was terrible in the playoffs this year, and Yandle was a trainwreck in New York. no picks until the third this draft, and considering that St. Louis isn't likely to come back, Girardi, Boyle, Nash and Lundquist are getting long in the tooth, they really have to make some sort of move to get into the first round of this years draft. Talbot really is worth trading, as important as he was to us winning the president's trophy this year. a team that needs a goaltender to improve could be our best bet to getting another stud defenseman to solidfy the bottom pairing.
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yeah a second for him makes a whole lot more sense. I do think he's absolutely one of the top 3 goalies that might realistically be available. hes 27, had two good seasons, and had a nice stretch of playing well while being the guy this year. the ufa are not particularly good and i'm sure dubnyk doesnt make it to market.
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On June 18 2015 22:02 JimmiC wrote:
I would think Edm would give up the first pick in the second but not a first rounder unless they are still as dumb as before. I don't think Talbot is that much better then whats on the free agent market and those cost nothing.
I agree but I worry that they are still that dumb. The Oilers are miles away from competitive. Adding an unproven goaltender with one year left on his contract to a bad team is worth far less than having a good player a few years down the road on a cheap ELC when you're starting to turn the boat north. A second round pick is ok, otherwise there are other options. Not many teams are looking for goalies this year compared to others.
Fucking Oilers though.
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so they're looking to add a 3-on-3 OT period before SO.
interesting
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They've been testing that for the last year in the AHL, I thought.
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Still doesn't solve the 3 pt games, but maybe we'll see less shootouts. I know the general reaction was pretty positive in the AHL for 3v3 OT
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On June 24 2015 12:47 JimmiC wrote:
The problem with getting rid of 3 point games is the nhl loves how close the playoff races are. I would love to see win in reg worth 3 points, so all games are 3 but I think they just love them races
Yeah, they know that with a truly fair points system, the Leafs could never fluke their way in and they'd lose all of the revenue for the 4 games it takes them to get swept.
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Hey guys I have a question. As mentioned in previous posts, I didn't follow the NHL that closely in the last couple of years (I still remember the Sedin 104pt season and the 60G season from Stamkos but after that I saw zero hockey until this year's playoffs) and when looking at this year's stats something seems odd. Ovechkin's 50G are somewhat normal for a regular season (not a super scoring season like the 65 from him or the 60 from Stamkos) but when looking at the league leaders in points I see nobody even close to 100. Ben won the race with 87pts wtf?!
Did something happen this season? Are teams generally scoring less goals? Or was there any change in how the assists are counted or something?
Thanks in advance 
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Just a bit of an odd year that none of the handful of guys who are capable of hitting 100 came close, but PP opportunities and scoring have been slowly declining since the 05 lockout
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On June 25 2015 21:50 JimmiC wrote:
Another factor is a huge increase in blocked shots. It's become increasingly popular for all players to throw themselves at the pucks. And another one is with the end of the enforcer teams 4th lines are more like 3rd in the past and the top 3 lines are now capable scoring lines so many teams are getting more balanced scoring rather then relying on just the top line.
I was thinking of posting a mock draft here tomorrow to see how many I can get right. Might be fun if a few interested people through down some lists. Think about it!
I got some time to kill today I'd be down to make a mock draft list.
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On June 25 2015 17:13 KobraKay wrote:Hey guys I have a question. As mentioned in previous posts, I didn't follow the NHL that closely in the last couple of years (I still remember the Sedin 104pt season and the 60G season from Stamkos but after that I saw zero hockey until this year's playoffs) and when looking at this year's stats something seems odd. Ovechkin's 50G are somewhat normal for a regular season (not a super scoring season like the 65 from him or the 60 from Stamkos) but when looking at the league leaders in points I see nobody even close to 100. Ben won the race with 87pts wtf?! Did something happen this season? Are teams generally scoring less goals? Or was there any change in how the assists are counted or something? Thanks in advance
1st liners are getting less ice time because teams are investing in having better thirds.
Back in the good ol' days your first were studs, 2nd was good scorers, the third was your checking, and your 4th was just a bunch of pluggers. Ice time highly skewed towards the first two lines because of the skill level disparity.
Now a days, a lot of teams (best examples: Rangers, TBL, or Hawks) effectively have three scoring lines, and run their 4th as a defensively responsible line vs just having it been shit ass pluggers you only throw out for a breather.
As such, teams have shaved a little bit of TOI off of the first lines since most good teams have three good lines. This allows you to have more flexibility in playing match ups against teams like Montreal, which has a decent enough top six, but basically two lines of marginal NHLers at the bottom.
So instead of seeing guys ring up 100 pints, now you see one or two first liners with 70-80 pts, and then a bunch of 2nd and 3rd liners between 40-60.
Power play opportunities probably due factor in I am sure, but by far the biggest factor is that teams are spreading the TOI more evenly between their top 3 lines because most teams have skilled third liners now.
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On June 25 2015 03:45 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2015 01:39 Flaccid wrote:On June 24 2015 12:47 JimmiC wrote:
The problem with getting rid of 3 point games is the nhl loves how close the playoff races are. I would love to see win in reg worth 3 points, so all games are 3 but I think they just love them races Yeah, they know that with a truly fair points system, the Leafs could never fluke their way in and they'd lose all of the revenue for the 4 games it takes them to get swept. BAZING! and also probably true.
actually false. They are one of the actual teams who don't go to OT more often than not over the last several years. In fact they got the shaft as a result and the Islanders got in many years ago as a result. So as much you guys love making fun of the Maple Luffs other teams like I don't know say the Habs -- which is actually true in this case if you look at the last few seasons were far more profitable in this system.
A better calling card would be the fact the Leafs suck a shootouts because when it did come to that. They had a pretty bad record throughout the introduction of the shootout.
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I dunno, I double checked my post and confirmed that it made fun of the Leafs, therefore it is true.
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Ha. The fact of the matter is it's false info and you might as well use something that has a bit more substance when calling them out.
In either case all this talk about 3 on 3 is nonsense. If the league really wanted to put value in the game and put the players in try hard mode they would get rid of overtime and award nothing for a tie. That way a team isn't just going to sit around. You want to bring up goal scoring in the league well if there is a tie for a spot perhaps look at the goal differential and their win-loss record against each other.
There should be extra incentive to put the puck in the net. Overtime is for the playoffs and let the players get more rest in the regular season.
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