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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
On April 18 2014 12:00 Scarecrow wrote: I doubt you could make another 11 minute one featuring a superstar. Harden is just atrocious. kevin love is terrible on defense but at least i see some effort from him. harden looks like hes just waiting for the ball to be back in his possession | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On April 18 2014 12:00 Scarecrow wrote: I doubt you could make another 11 minute one featuring a superstar. Harden is just atrocious. Kyrie? yeah but that one gif of K love boxing out while some dude just lays it in though | ||
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AgentW
United States7725 Posts
On April 18 2014 12:43 DystopiaX wrote: Kyrie? yeah but that one gif of K love boxing out while some dude just lays it in though He said superstar. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
Heck, Harden is a stretch. | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
Kyrie might be a stretch but the league and a lot of the sportswriters/fans treat him like one. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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Cloud9157
United States2968 Posts
Though I feel the superstar term should be a bit more exclusive than it is. imo Durant, James, Curry, and Paul are true superstars. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
None of you are right or wrong. If someone thinks a superstar is just a top 10 player then they're not wrong to think it. If someone thinks a superstar is someone their sports hating friends and parents would know by name then they're not wrong to think it. If someone thinks that someone being the best at their position accounts for superstardom, more power to em. Short of obvious trolling there's no real way to say someone's wrong for calling a dude a superstar. | ||
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Doraemon
Australia14949 Posts
On April 18 2014 12:00 Scarecrow wrote: I doubt you could make another 11 minute one featuring a superstar. Harden is just atrocious. to be fair. he is actually decent one-on-one post defender. that's why our crunch time lineup will be dwight-parsons-harden-bev-lin. but as i said, off the ball, harden is just damn bad. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On April 18 2014 14:35 TwoToneTerran wrote: ah the semi annual "What's constitutes a superstar?" discussion. None of you are right or wrong. If someone thinks a superstar is just a top 10 player then they're not wrong to think it. If someone thinks a superstar is someone their sports hating friends and parents would know by name then they're not wrong to think it. If someone thinks that someone being the best at their position accounts for superstardom, more power to em. Short of obvious trolling there's no real way to say someone's wrong for calling a dude a superstar. Id simply argue with the last point because like, if James Harden is injured for a year, does that mean Demar DeRozen is a superstar? | ||
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AgentW
United States7725 Posts
On April 18 2014 14:35 TwoToneTerran wrote: ah the semi annual "What's constitutes a superstar?" discussion. None of you are right or wrong. If someone thinks a superstar is just a top 10 player then they're not wrong to think it. If someone thinks a superstar is someone their sports hating friends and parents would know by name then they're not wrong to think it. If someone thinks that someone being the best at their position accounts for superstardom, more power to em. Short of obvious trolling there's no real way to say someone's wrong for calling a dude a superstar. That's fair, I suppose it's a matter of definition. For me personally, I have a very tight set of boxes that have to be checked. Essentially only James, Durant, and Paul fall into that category, and I'm not sure about Paul. | ||
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
On April 18 2014 14:26 cLutZ wrote: You dont get to be a superstar because of position scarcity. And you particularly dont get to be because that scarcity is the result of metagame shifts that result in the position being essentially a role player (3 pt shooter) for half the league. I don't think there was a metagame shift. Lebron and Durant just happen to be taller than Jordan, Kobe and Wade. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
On April 19 2014 00:12 cLutZ wrote: Not for elite players, but its hard to see who is the Ron Harper, Jerry stackhouse type players who were essentially, really crappy versions of Kobe and Jordan. I think its shifted more towards crappy versions of Reggie miller and Ray Allen. We still have guys like Paul George and Kawhi Leonard, I suppose. And maybe others that I missed. I think it's partly because of the rule changes that encouraged moving the ball more. Most NBA teams have learned that running iso plays for non-elite offensive players is dumb. If players like Stackhouse were playing right now, they wouldn't be allowed to hoist up the type of shots they got away with. Harper got moved to PG late in his career when he actually got a good coach. The iso craze of the 90s overrated a lot of inefficient SGs into "stars". edit: Looking at it further, George and Leonard are listed as SF rather than SG. DeRozan is listed as SG but he is bigger and taller than Ross. Likewise, Iggy is listed as the SF even though Klay is taller. Dunno about other people, but I've always viewed SG and SF as interchangeable and pretty much the same position, with the taller player being regarded the nominal SF. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On April 18 2014 21:23 cLutZ wrote: Id simply argue with the last point because like, if James Harden is injured for a year, does that mean Demar DeRozen is a superstar? No? You'd still call Harden the best SG, usually with the caveat of "if he comes back from his injury at 100%" Not that Demar Derozan is the second best SG in the league. Wade's probably still the best, we just dock him for playing time. Then there's a bunch of guys in a scrum that Derozan falls into, like Ellis, Ginobili (similar Wade provision), Afflalo, and hell, when Bledsoe was around Dragic was a pretty good SG. Harden's just so much better than that scrum below that I have no problem with people saying he's a superstar if they want to go with a more lax definition. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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Cloud9157
United States2968 Posts
On April 19 2014 00:25 DystopiaX wrote: I think a lot of people who would be SGs just became larger, "scoring" PGs instead as well. Not sure if you saw Gary Payton's comments on PGs in the league right now, but he basically says that CP, Rondo, and Parker are the only true PGs atm. I'm inclined to agree with him for the most part, though guys like Curry+Westbrook really make it tough to fully agree. Also, Rubio, Wall, and Lowry are underrated PGs I feel. Rubio has his obvious flaws(lawl scoring), but Wall and Lowry are usually your 7-8 assists and 15+ ppg kind of guys. Obviously missing out on some other PGs, but those 3 just come to mind off the top of my head. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
With rule changes allowing smaller guys to do more, its a natural progression. | ||
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