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On September 15 2013 23:15 -_- wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2013 21:41 nicknack wrote:On September 15 2013 21:37 KingAce wrote:On September 15 2013 21:34 nicknack wrote:On September 15 2013 20:37 s4rk wrote:On September 15 2013 17:30 cLutZ wrote:
Pacquio has actually gotten old. If they had fought in 2008...
And, honestly I hear what you are saying sc4k, but the reason that MMA is not "refined" like boxing, is because boxing, from a combat POV, is borderline retarded. Moreover, technical fighters like Floyd and the Klitchkos have mad the sport into the "meh" it is today. Basically, by allowing Mayweather to consistently win on points, without even getting a knockdown, he has been given a loophole in the rules. Its as if the Patriots build a robot that got 3 yards per carry, 100% of the time without fumbling. They would never not get a first down, would score on every drive, but it wouldnt be satisfying in the least bit. Same as how wrestlers grind out wins in MMA? Yer lay'n'pray and points boxing is meh to watch, but there is heaps of skill involved in pinned people down and controlling them as well as not getting hit and counter-punching like mayweather. I wonder how a Mayweather would go in UFC? I couldn't see him beating anyone in the 10 top UFC lightweight Pettis, Henderson, TJ Grant, Maynard, Diaz ,Nurmagomedov ect ect He would destroy them in a boxing fight. What about a real fight? He'd destroy Aldo, GSP, Weidman/Silva, Jones, or Cain in a real fight too. He'd have his bodyguards shoot them. If you don't want to limit the skillset to boxing, I won't let you limit the skillset to cheesy martial arts you only see in the movies. Real fights don't work that way. Boxers would destroy MMA fighters in Boxing and vice versa.
So he only can win a "real fight" if its boxing rules or he has his bodyguards shoot his opponent? mma is more of a real fight than boxing, ever seen mayweather kick someone in the face or put a person in a limb breaking submission.
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Mayweather such a mad scientist out there. And everything about Canelo compared to Floyd was kinda known, they were just hoping he could catch him with a shot, but that didn't happen.
Mayweather is prob too smart to do it, but him and GoluvkinGolovkin would be awesome.
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On September 15 2013 23:45 yeabuddy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2013 23:15 -_- wrote:On September 15 2013 21:41 nicknack wrote:On September 15 2013 21:37 KingAce wrote:On September 15 2013 21:34 nicknack wrote:On September 15 2013 20:37 s4rk wrote:On September 15 2013 17:30 cLutZ wrote:
Pacquio has actually gotten old. If they had fought in 2008...
And, honestly I hear what you are saying sc4k, but the reason that MMA is not "refined" like boxing, is because boxing, from a combat POV, is borderline retarded. Moreover, technical fighters like Floyd and the Klitchkos have mad the sport into the "meh" it is today. Basically, by allowing Mayweather to consistently win on points, without even getting a knockdown, he has been given a loophole in the rules. Its as if the Patriots build a robot that got 3 yards per carry, 100% of the time without fumbling. They would never not get a first down, would score on every drive, but it wouldnt be satisfying in the least bit. Same as how wrestlers grind out wins in MMA? Yer lay'n'pray and points boxing is meh to watch, but there is heaps of skill involved in pinned people down and controlling them as well as not getting hit and counter-punching like mayweather. I wonder how a Mayweather would go in UFC? I couldn't see him beating anyone in the 10 top UFC lightweight Pettis, Henderson, TJ Grant, Maynard, Diaz ,Nurmagomedov ect ect He would destroy them in a boxing fight. What about a real fight? He'd destroy Aldo, GSP, Weidman/Silva, Jones, or Cain in a real fight too. He'd have his bodyguards shoot them. If you don't want to limit the skillset to boxing, I won't let you limit the skillset to cheesy martial arts you only see in the movies. Real fights don't work that way. Boxers would destroy MMA fighters in Boxing and vice versa. So he only can win a "real fight" if its boxing rules or he has his bodyguards shoot his opponent? mma is more of a real fight than boxing, ever seen mayweather kick someone in the face or put a person in a limb breaking submission.
Are you suggesting that we put arbitrary limitations on what a real fight is? For example, in a real fight, you shouldn't be able to shoot your opponent, or have any of your friends help you? Shouldn't a fighter be able to use any of the resources available to him? Whether they be punches, kicks, submissions, or firearms?
I don't know. You sound like an MMA fan, but your hesitancy to allow full utilization of tools fully available in the real world makes me think you might be a closet boxing purist.
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On September 15 2013 23:45 yeabuddy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2013 23:15 -_- wrote:On September 15 2013 21:41 nicknack wrote:On September 15 2013 21:37 KingAce wrote:On September 15 2013 21:34 nicknack wrote:On September 15 2013 20:37 s4rk wrote:On September 15 2013 17:30 cLutZ wrote:
Pacquio has actually gotten old. If they had fought in 2008...
And, honestly I hear what you are saying sc4k, but the reason that MMA is not "refined" like boxing, is because boxing, from a combat POV, is borderline retarded. Moreover, technical fighters like Floyd and the Klitchkos have mad the sport into the "meh" it is today. Basically, by allowing Mayweather to consistently win on points, without even getting a knockdown, he has been given a loophole in the rules. Its as if the Patriots build a robot that got 3 yards per carry, 100% of the time without fumbling. They would never not get a first down, would score on every drive, but it wouldnt be satisfying in the least bit. Same as how wrestlers grind out wins in MMA? Yer lay'n'pray and points boxing is meh to watch, but there is heaps of skill involved in pinned people down and controlling them as well as not getting hit and counter-punching like mayweather. I wonder how a Mayweather would go in UFC? I couldn't see him beating anyone in the 10 top UFC lightweight Pettis, Henderson, TJ Grant, Maynard, Diaz ,Nurmagomedov ect ect He would destroy them in a boxing fight. What about a real fight? He'd destroy Aldo, GSP, Weidman/Silva, Jones, or Cain in a real fight too. He'd have his bodyguards shoot them. If you don't want to limit the skillset to boxing, I won't let you limit the skillset to cheesy martial arts you only see in the movies. Real fights don't work that way. Boxers would destroy MMA fighters in Boxing and vice versa. So he only can win a "real fight" if its boxing rules or he has his bodyguards shoot his opponent? mma is more of a real fight than boxing, ever seen mayweather kick someone in the face or put a person in a limb breaking submission.
What sort of moronic pointless argument is this man, seriously o.O
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On September 15 2013 23:45 yeabuddy wrote:
So he only can win a "real fight" if its boxing rules or he has his bodyguards shoot his opponent? mma is more of a real fight than boxing, ever seen mayweather kick someone in the face or put a person in a limb breaking submission.
I know of only one guy who got involved in a real fight, some guy mistook a classmate of mine as someone who his girlfriend was cheating on. Guy cold-clocked with a bottle from behind and proceeded to kick the crap out of him. Thankfully, the victim was REALLY lucky and didn't suffer any permanent damage. No MMA or Boxing or super secret Kung Fu training will prep you for that. Hell by your standards, I'd take a Navy Seal over anybody else, since they're actually trained to kill folks.
Boxing and MMA are arts (or maybe sweet sciences). They don't turn you into Rambo. Why the hell would you want to get in a real fight anyways? Life isn't a kung-fu movie. If you're involved in a "real" fight you didn't start you're probably already on your back dazed, outnumbered, or facing a guy with a weapon(s).
On September 16 2013 00:20 MassHysteria wrote:
Mayweather such a mad scientist out there. And everything about Canelo compared to Floyd was kinda known, they were just hoping he could catch him with a shot, but that didn't happen.
Mayweather is prob too smart to do it, but him and Goluvkin would be awesome.
Canelo's fight plan was strange, it almost looked like he was trying to outbox Mayweather in the early rounds. The thing I love about Mayweather fights is that moment where he can drop his hands for a good 5, 10 seconds, and his opponent will stand there doing nothing because he has NO idea how to approach him.
I think it'd be awesome, but I don't think Golovkin can cut down that much, and honestly, Mayweather doesn't really have any business fighting at junior middleweight. If only Andre Ward was a welterweight  .
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Me too, on your first parag hoemuffin .
Well from what I've read/heard is that Golovkin walks around (normal wght) at around a few pounds lighter than what Canelo does (around 172, will try to find source). His trainer has said he would have no problem cutting down to 154. I agree though, I don't think Mayweather should go past 154.
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On September 15 2013 17:30 cLutZ wrote:
Pacquio has actually gotten old. If they had fought in 2008...
And, honestly I hear what you are saying sc4k, but the reason that MMA is not "refined" like boxing, is because boxing, from a combat POV, is borderline retarded. Moreover, technical fighters like Floyd and the Klitchkos have mad the sport into the "meh" it is today. Basically, by allowing Mayweather to consistently win on points, without even getting a knockdown, he has been given a loophole in the rules. Its as if the Patriots build a robot that got 3 yards per carry, 100% of the time without fumbling. They would never not get a first down, would score on every drive, but it wouldnt be satisfying in the least bit.
What do you mean, "allowed" and "loophole"? If no one is getting knocked out and only one guy is getting hit you give it to the guy doing the hitting, simple as that. He won on points because his opponents can't touch him, and it's not like he's clinching and stalling either. Unless there's a rule that says you have to stand and bang with the guy he's gonna keep doing what he's doing and make everyone he fights against looks like cans.
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On September 15 2013 23:15 -_- wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2013 21:41 nicknack wrote:On September 15 2013 21:37 KingAce wrote:On September 15 2013 21:34 nicknack wrote:On September 15 2013 20:37 s4rk wrote:On September 15 2013 17:30 cLutZ wrote:
Pacquio has actually gotten old. If they had fought in 2008...
And, honestly I hear what you are saying sc4k, but the reason that MMA is not "refined" like boxing, is because boxing, from a combat POV, is borderline retarded. Moreover, technical fighters like Floyd and the Klitchkos have mad the sport into the "meh" it is today. Basically, by allowing Mayweather to consistently win on points, without even getting a knockdown, he has been given a loophole in the rules. Its as if the Patriots build a robot that got 3 yards per carry, 100% of the time without fumbling. They would never not get a first down, would score on every drive, but it wouldnt be satisfying in the least bit. Same as how wrestlers grind out wins in MMA? Yer lay'n'pray and points boxing is meh to watch, but there is heaps of skill involved in pinned people down and controlling them as well as not getting hit and counter-punching like mayweather. I wonder how a Mayweather would go in UFC? I couldn't see him beating anyone in the 10 top UFC lightweight Pettis, Henderson, TJ Grant, Maynard, Diaz ,Nurmagomedov ect ect He would destroy them in a boxing fight. What about a real fight? He'd destroy Aldo, GSP, Weidman/Silva, Jones, or Cain in a real fight too. He'd have his bodyguards shoot them. If you don't want to limit the skillset to boxing, I won't let you limit the skillset to cheesy martial arts you only see in the movies. Real fights don't work that way. Boxers would destroy MMA fighters in Boxing and vice versa.
Real talk Im pretty sure anyone with a gun could solo Money's 300-lb-5'-0'' bodyguard squad.
In fact they could prolly do that without a gun.
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On September 15 2013 14:52 NuKE[vZ] wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2013 14:39 tribulator wrote:
It was cool to see Mayweathers still got the insane speed and ability to predict... but I felt it was a bit of a snoozer. Canelo brought nothing into that ring.
Still laughing from the judge who gave that a draw. Would love to see him explain that over some tape of the fight. CJ Ross is a chick 
Wasn't aware. My bad.
Her score card is a joke though...
![[image loading]](http://larrybrownsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/floyd-mayweather-canelo-alvarez-judge-scorecard.jpg)
I even rewatched the fight trying to imagine how she could have given rounds 1 and 3 (not to mention even the later rounds) to alvarez, but I just can't figure it out. She has to be being payed off by bookies or something. It just makes no sense how someone can be the consistently... wrong. Even Dave Moretti (middle) pushes into absurd territory.
If boxing wants to really come back into the main stage in the US, this judging shit has to get fixed.
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On September 16 2013 07:55 O-ops wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2013 17:30 cLutZ wrote:
Pacquio has actually gotten old. If they had fought in 2008...
And, honestly I hear what you are saying sc4k, but the reason that MMA is not "refined" like boxing, is because boxing, from a combat POV, is borderline retarded. Moreover, technical fighters like Floyd and the Klitchkos have mad the sport into the "meh" it is today. Basically, by allowing Mayweather to consistently win on points, without even getting a knockdown, he has been given a loophole in the rules. Its as if the Patriots build a robot that got 3 yards per carry, 100% of the time without fumbling. They would never not get a first down, would score on every drive, but it wouldnt be satisfying in the least bit. What do you mean, "allowed" and "loophole"? If no one is getting knocked out and only one guy is getting hit you give it to the guy doing the hitting, simple as that. He won on points because his opponents can't touch him, and it's not like he's clinching and stalling either. Unless there's a rule that says you have to stand and bang with the guy he's gonna keep doing what he's doing and make everyone he fights against looks like cans.
Yea, loophole, like the loophole in a lot of high school basketball leagues where there is no shot clock (one year our state finals was 21-20). Points scoring in boxing obviously represents a way for fighters to win that the majority of fans do not appreciate.
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Stop comparing boxing to MMA and vice versa.
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On September 16 2013 09:18 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2013 07:55 O-ops wrote:On September 15 2013 17:30 cLutZ wrote:
Pacquio has actually gotten old. If they had fought in 2008...
And, honestly I hear what you are saying sc4k, but the reason that MMA is not "refined" like boxing, is because boxing, from a combat POV, is borderline retarded. Moreover, technical fighters like Floyd and the Klitchkos have mad the sport into the "meh" it is today. Basically, by allowing Mayweather to consistently win on points, without even getting a knockdown, he has been given a loophole in the rules. Its as if the Patriots build a robot that got 3 yards per carry, 100% of the time without fumbling. They would never not get a first down, would score on every drive, but it wouldnt be satisfying in the least bit. What do you mean, "allowed" and "loophole"? If no one is getting knocked out and only one guy is getting hit you give it to the guy doing the hitting, simple as that. He won on points because his opponents can't touch him, and it's not like he's clinching and stalling either. Unless there's a rule that says you have to stand and bang with the guy he's gonna keep doing what he's doing and make everyone he fights against looks like cans. Yea, loophole, like the loophole in a lot of high school basketball leagues where there is no shot clock (one year our state finals was 21-20). Points scoring in boxing obviously represents a way for fighters to win that the majority of fans do not appreciate.
You're confusing "showmanship" with "competition" here lol.
And the shot clock thing is more akin to judges not breaking clinches or other bullshit stalling tactics that eats time off the fight without allowing both fighters to generate anything meaningful. Any of May's opponent is free to try whatever the fuck they want. Ball is always in their hand first and if they're too afraid of May getting rebounds from their failed offense and choose to take it slow like Canelo did last night, well, it's their fault. Scoring points is a skill, defense is a skill, ringmanship is a skill, footwork is a skill, and scoring points is a legitimate way to win that forces you to be on point all 12 rounds. None of what he used is designed to stall time or otherwise make his win and superiority over his opponent questionable. By the way, him winning without getting knockdowns being a "loophole" is fucking retarded. Really? You are saying that anyone that came into the ring with that guy and got outpunched 2 to 1 by him is actually on equal status with him? Come the fuck on.
He already showed he put up good fights whenever his opponent wanted to bring it, so if ppl wants exciting fights, you should probably look at the challenger and not him.
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They are all skills. The problem is obviously with those things being weighted too favorably when 2 high caliber fighters match up.
It is more than just Mayweather (who would beat any of the light heavies anyone mentioned, that is just sports science in action), very few Elite-Level boxing matches please fans anymore.
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On September 15 2013 20:37 s4rk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2013 17:30 cLutZ wrote:
Pacquio has actually gotten old. If they had fought in 2008...
And, honestly I hear what you are saying sc4k, but the reason that MMA is not "refined" like boxing, is because boxing, from a combat POV, is borderline retarded. Moreover, technical fighters like Floyd and the Klitchkos have mad the sport into the "meh" it is today. Basically, by allowing Mayweather to consistently win on points, without even getting a knockdown, he has been given a loophole in the rules. Its as if the Patriots build a robot that got 3 yards per carry, 100% of the time without fumbling. They would never not get a first down, would score on every drive, but it wouldnt be satisfying in the least bit. Same as how wrestlers grind out wins in MMA?
A lot of people that came from pride that has fought in the ring and where soccer kick were legal often express their opinion that the UFC rules tends to favor wrestler. I can see this because soccer kick was a good way to keep wrestler in check and this also open up flying knees to be viable too. This is not possible in UFC because of the terrible rule of not being allow to knee or kick opponent if their knees/hands are on the ground. Roy Jones was one of the few that abuse this rule by keeping his knees and hands on the ground so they cant kick him and he basically crawl toward his opponent. This is why it not really a surprise that there are so many strong wrestler that do well in the UFC such as Clay Guida/GSP.
But there are also great Striker that knock people down all the time and ends fight such as Anderson Silva (before he became a douche and play around fights) basically ended ALL of his fight ever since he became champion and make wrestler not look as invincible as other make it seem. This is rather rare to see for a champion to TKO or KO anyone since once you become champion, people will study you in and out and you will stop being as effective since you are also fighting the best contenders. Showing that the sport has along way to go because the meta right now is definitely wrestling but powerful striker can make the fight not to always go to the ground.
I love both sports honestly and has come to enjoy the best of both world.
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On September 16 2013 11:13 cLutZ wrote:
They are all skills. The problem is obviously with those things being weighted too favorably when 2 high caliber fighters match up.
It is more than just Mayweather (who would beat any of the light heavies anyone mentioned, that is just sports science in action), very few Elite-Level boxing matches please fans anymore.
What? Lotta good fights exists where two ppl actually hit each other, unless by "Elite-Level boxing" you just mean Money and Vlad Klitschko then yeah, lol.
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On September 16 2013 08:37 tribulator wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2013 14:52 NuKE[vZ] wrote:On September 15 2013 14:39 tribulator wrote:
It was cool to see Mayweathers still got the insane speed and ability to predict... but I felt it was a bit of a snoozer. Canelo brought nothing into that ring.
Still laughing from the judge who gave that a draw. Would love to see him explain that over some tape of the fight. CJ Ross is a chick Wasn't aware. My bad. Her score card is a joke though... I even rewatched the fight trying to imagine how she could have given rounds 1 and 3 (not to mention even the later rounds) to alvarez, but I just can't figure it out. She has to be being payed off by bookies or something. It just makes no sense how someone can be the consistently... wrong. Even Dave Moretti (middle) pushes into absurd territory. If boxing wants to really come back into the main stage in the US, this judging shit has to get fixed.
This is just a complete fucking nightmare for boxing, I really can't believe how stupid it is . 114-114 you have got to be fucking kidding me. Canelo barely won a single minute in the fight.
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On September 16 2013 14:43 O-ops wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2013 11:13 cLutZ wrote:
They are all skills. The problem is obviously with those things being weighted too favorably when 2 high caliber fighters match up.
It is more than just Mayweather (who would beat any of the light heavies anyone mentioned, that is just sports science in action), very few Elite-Level boxing matches please fans anymore. What? Lotta good fights exists where two ppl actually hit each other, unless by "Elite-Level boxing" you just mean Money and Vlad Klitschko then yeah, lol.
Who else?
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On September 16 2013 10:28 StarStruck wrote:
Stop comparing boxing to MMA and vice versa.
the judges are the same. the commission is the same.
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Amir Khan been on twitter saying he wants to fight Mayweather. Would be a good fight that but i think Khan will take it on the basis he thinks he will be way to fast for Mayweather, which could be true and as a fan of Khan i think also Mayweather might not have the 1-punch-KO power unlike Garcia and co who has come unstuck again.
Khan is great fight, one of the fastest pair of hands you will see, but his issues with his hands not covering his glass chin properly is his concern. Garcia fight he was dominating and was looking like another day at the office and a matter of time before Garcia folded from the onslaught, but Khan drops his hands thinking he has won and gets tagged by a right and its all over. His fight against Petersen doesn't count for me, i mean the scorecard from the lady judge in the Mayweather pretty much was how all 3 scored the Khan fight.
Khan fights Devon Alexander in 7th December for a IBF title and this could be the key for the Mayweather fight to happen. Alexander is known for his huge right hook so if Khan "could" come out of that fight (his first at welterweight) and get the win, he would be pretty much nailed on to be getting his super fight with Mayweather. Interesting fight, i know i would be watching that for sure!
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