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fishbowl
United States1575 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Zf8WHWp.jpg) MAYWEATHER vs ALVAREZ Junior Middleweight Championship Bout For [WBA (Super), WBC Super Welterweight & The Ring Junior Middleweight titles] Official Weights: Floyd Mayweather Jr., 150.5 lbs. | Saul Alvarez, 152 lbs. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/IvY7dB2.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/piSxiic.jpg) GARCIA vs MATTHYSSE Junior Welterweight Championship Bout For [WBA (Super), WBC Super Lightweight & The Ring Junior Welterweight titles] Official Weights: Danny Garcia, 140 lbs. | Lucas Matthysse, 140 lbs. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/eZMlRtv.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/E6MVaKh.jpg) | ||
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fishbowl
United States1575 Posts
Poll: Who wins the Mayweather - Alvarez fight and how? Mayweather by decision (Wide) (8) Mayweather by KO/TKO (2) Alvarez by KO/TKO (2) Mayweather by decision (Close) (1) Alvarez by decision (Wide) (1) Draw (1) DQ (Specify) (1) Alvarez by decision (Close) (0) 16 total votes Your vote: Who wins the Mayweather - Alvarez fight and how? (Vote): Mayweather by decision (Close) Poll: Who wins the Garcia - Matthysse fight and how? Garcia by decision (Close) (2) Matthysse by KO/TKO (1) DQ (Specify) (1) Garcia by decision (Wide) (0) Garcia by KO/TKO (0) Matthysse by decision (Close) (0) Matthysse by decision (Wide) (0) Draw (0) 4 total votes Your vote: Who wins the Garcia - Matthysse fight and how? (Vote): Garcia by decision (Close) | ||
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Heartscry
United Kingdom291 Posts
Mayweather by decision for me, close in score but ahead on all three judges' cards. | ||
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fishbowl
United States1575 Posts
(I'll post my own thoughts tomorrow, just got done driving 16 hours but I was so hyped about the fight, I had to make the post before I crashed.) | ||
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
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fishbowl
United States1575 Posts
We're less than 5 hours away from this action packed card from getting started. I'm getting more excited and I'm just about ready to start the grill and bring out the drinks. I'm a fan of all these fighters so it makes picking hard, but until we see the fight and the outcome, we've got to make judgment based on we've seen previously from these fighters. Mayweather - Canelo; It's on its way to being the biggest fight in boxing since De La Hoya - Mayweather. Floyd, the P4P King, is fighting rising superstar, Canelo Alvarez. What it comes down to is a case of Canelo's youth and size advantage versus Floyd's skills and experience. Canelo has the age factor in his favor. I'm actually pretty interested in how much weight he's actually gonna go up for this bout. Admittedly, he looked good at the weigh-in whereas at the 7-day check, I thought he was gonna have problems skirting off an additional 5.4 lbs. Supposedly Canelo looked tired after the weigh-in which could be a result of having to hit that 152 limit - but alas, that's just speculation. I don't know if it's a good idea for him to be blowing up 15-20 lbs overnight leading into the fight either. It could leave him sluggish, which would be counterintuitive to Team Canelo's suggestions that they're going to utilize Canelo's handspeed. Canelo does indeed have good handspeed, and he puts together great combinations with that handspeed, but if he shoots up too much weight, it could have an effect on that. He'll probably come in anywhere from 167-170 giving him a notable size and strength advantage. Can he use that size advantage effectively against Mayweather though? He's going to need to put him to the ropes, corner him and then go to work - that's how Canelo likes to fight. He will need to cut off the ring though, which is a problem because his footwork/speed is not one of his stronger points. I think I recall Canelo saying that he's going to try to outthink and outbox Floyd. If he tries that approach, well, Mayweather's advantages will come into play and we're in for victim #45. Canelo outboxing Floyd is something hard for me to imagine. Disregarding Floyd's genius-level boxing IQ, physically, Mayweather has the tools to outbox Canelo with ease. He's taller, has a freakish long reach for his height, slightly faster hands, and as proven from the fight with Guerrero, impeccable footwork. I've seen a lot of people who are picking Canelo to win this fight saying, "Well you can't outrun Father Time forever." Well, Floyd turned back the clock for his last fight and looked like he hadn't missed a beat. Until we see a drastic decline in ability from Floyd in a fight, I think that "he's getting old" argument needs to be put to rest. One thing that Floyd's opponents usually comment on, aside frmo his defense, is his timing. Floyd's ability to think in the ring, figure you out, and time you is his greatest asset. He has an uncanny ability to predict punches and fight at the right moment. That coupled with his physical advantages makes me think Canelo trying to play the boxing game with Floyd is a mistake. One thing I think a lot of people don't know or refuse to acknowledge is that Floyd is not weak or featherfisted either. Mosley has commented that Floyd is physically strong and punches hard. He's even gone as far as saying, in terms of punching power, he believes both Floyd and Canelo to be roughly even in that area. I mean, if you look at most of Floyd's opponents at the end of the fight, you can tell they were in a fight - they're usually cut, bruised, or swollen. You don't see anyone walk through Floyd's punches either; they often freeze up when they get hit. So why doesn't Floyd have more knockouts? His hands are susceptible to injury. It's a problem he's hand through his career. He also doesn't plant his feet and sit on his shots, putting all his weight into them. He maintains balance and fires off quick, accurate punches and wears his opponents down. Many people, including the late Emanuel Steward, have said if Floyd threw combinations he'd be finishing every fight in TKO/KO fashion. One last thing I'd like to mention when discussing Floyd's defense. Everyone knows his defense is enigmatic. He has the highest +/- recorded on Compubox for punches connected/opponent's punches connected by a wide margin. The one punch that he's susceptible to though is the jab. Cotto utilized it to great effectiveness; when De La Hoya was using it, it was working well - so that means Canelo could utilize that too, right? Well sure, he can, but understand that Cotto and De La Hoya have amazing jabs. It is recognized as one of their best punches, along with Cotto's left hook. Canelo's jab, while strong, is not on that level. You also have to look at why Floyd gets hit with jabs. He chooses to get hit with it, that's why. With Floyd's defense, against an orthodox fighter, he holds his right glove up against his face to guard against the left hook. The left hook is a big knockout tool for a lot of people. Floyd chooses to hold his glove there to protect against it over worrying about the jab too much. In order for Canelo to win this fight, I think he needs to get rough and dirty. He needs to make it a gruelling dog fight, and not try to play chess with a grandmaster. I'm not sure at this point in his career he's ready to do just that. Personally, I think Canelo took this fight 1.5-2 years too early. A lot of people seem to be hoping Canelo just straight up knocks Mayweather out, which is obviously a possibility, anything can happen in boxing. Consider this though, Canelo couldn't finish off Matthew Hatton or Austin Trout, both of whom are nowhere near Floyd's level. Floyd has historically a good chin too, and shown excellent recovery and decision making when he is hurt or stunned. One thing he can take advantage of is that Floyd doesn't throw a lot of punches. He can try and outwork Floyd, but he's going to need to try to do that every minute of every round. That will be an issue though, because Canelo doesn't have the greatest stamina. I thought that he looked gassed in his fighter against Austin Trout (which I believe he lost 115-114) and if he gassed against Trout, it's not going to get any better against Mayweather. The catchweight can also play a role in his stamina issues. I think he needs to come out of the gate hot and establish himself in the first three rounds. He will need to find a way to cut the ring, hold Mayweather down and work the body hard. If he can't hurt Floyd within the first 3 rounds, it's gonna be a long night because round 4 is when the download is complete. Floyd will start pulling away in round 4 and by round 8, he'll be running on all cylinders. One thing I failed to mention is that this is the fastest turnaround Floyd has had for consecutive fights in years. He's likely going to be better than he was in the Guerrero fight which was a masterful performance of its own. All that said, I think Floyd has an easier fight than a lot of people are expecting. I think Canelo has the tools needed for a good fight, but I don't think he can fight hard for all 3 minutes of all 12 rounds. Right now, his stamina leaves something to be desired. Floyd's experience and skills will just confuse and frustrate him. He's going to be falling into traps he doesn't see/expect and the gameplan will go out the window. I'm going with a bold prediction here, Mayweather by 11th round TKO. I'm not gonna write all that for Garcia - Matthysse. We're just gonna enjoy a straight up, good fight. I think people might be expecting a shootout between the two, but I think Danny will smartly box his way to a close UD. Matthysse is a beast, but Danny is a monster in his own right. I think he's underrated and the kid just finds ways to win. I think he will be able to weather the Argentinian storm and come out on top. That said, a Matthysse KO victory is in no way surprising. Anyway, enjoy the fights everyone! I'll probably be around the boards for the fight. Hope to see more people here. TL;DR: Mayweather 11th round TKO / Garcia close UD. Anything can happen in boxing though! Get hyped! | ||
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fbs
United Kingdom2476 Posts
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Protocon
United States255 Posts
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udgnim
United States8024 Posts
On September 15 2013 10:05 Protocon wrote: Can anyone refer me to a nice, reliable, non-scammy livestream link for the fight? Much appreciated. usually use vipbox.tv within a VM & Firefox w/ Adblock & No Script | ||
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fishbowl
United States1575 Posts
On September 15 2013 10:04 fbs wrote: what time roughly will round 1 be? GMT The main event will probably start anywhere from 04:30-05:00 GMT. Garcia-Matthysse maybe an hour before that. This is just a guess though, I'll mention when the fights start so if you stay tuned into the thread, you won't miss it. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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fbs
United Kingdom2476 Posts
On September 15 2013 10:07 fishbowl wrote: The main event will probably start anywhere from 04:30-05:00 GMT. Garcia-Matthysse maybe an hour before that. This is just a guess though, I'll mention when the fights start so if you stay tuned into the thread, you won't miss it. Thanks. I'm going to bed for a couple of hours then! | ||
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fishbowl
United States1575 Posts
On September 15 2013 10:08 cLutZ wrote: How the hell did floyd get the weight lowered? Shouldnt this be a huge scandal? Not a scandal, a catchweight which was negotiated between the two camps. Both Canelo and Floyd's camp agreed to the 152 lbs limit. They believe that they could make the weight easily and it would give Canelo "more speed". Well... the last time a high profile boxer agreed to going down to a weight they could "comfortably make" was Chad Dawson, when he fought Andre Ward. Let's just say that didn't go well at all. I don't like that they're fighting at a catchweight, but Canelo and co. agreed to it. I think they should have just held out and waited. One, he needs more experience; two, he's the best paycheck for Floyd left. He would have gotten the fight eventually. They just caved and gave away an advantage day one. | ||
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Protocon
United States255 Posts
On September 15 2013 10:06 udgnim wrote: usually use vipbox.tv within a VM & Firefox w/ Adblock & No Script Thank you kind sir. Nice quality as well. | ||
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fishbowl
United States1575 Posts
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BenKen
United States860 Posts
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shin_toss
Philippines2589 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On September 15 2013 10:13 fishbowl wrote: Not a scandal, a catchweight which was negotiated between the two camps. Both Canelo and Floyd's camp agreed to the 152 lbs limit. They believe that they could make the weight easily and it would give Canelo "more speed". Well... the last time a high profile boxer agreed to going down to a weight they could "comfortably make" was Chad Dawson, when he fought Andre Ward. Let's just say that didn't go well at all. I don't like that they're fighting at a catchweight, but Canelo and co. agreed to it. I think they should have just held out and waited. One, he needs more experience; two, he's the best paycheck for Floyd left. He would have gotten the fight eventually. They just caved and gave away an advantage day one. Ahh, ok. During weigh ins the announcers made it seemed like Mayweather changed the weight last minute. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
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Quanticfograw
United States2053 Posts
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