EPT2013-2014 Champions League & Europa League Thread - Page 115
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Micro_Jackson
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Ferrose
United States11378 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Arsene Wenger has explained that he left Mesut Ozil on against Bayern Munich because of the German’s ability to carry the ball long distances. Faced with having to sacrifice one of his players in light of Wojciech Szczesny’s first half red card the boss opted to stick with his summer signing, withdrawing Santi Cazorla instead. Given Ozil’s recent dip in form and the fact he’d missed an early penalty the decision has subsequently been put under the microscope. Speaking ahead of his side’s clash with Sunderland, Wenger reasoned: “The circumstances of the game were difficult. I left him on because he’s one of the few players who go from far, from distance when you’re down to ten men. [Travel] long ways with the ball and carry the ball into the opponents’ half. “Of course when you look back at the game the penalty obviously had an influence on his performance.” Admitting that his star man has yet to recover from the disappointment of having his spot-kick saved by Manuel Neuer, the boss was keen to put the incident into perspective joking that Dennis Bergkamp was another star who went on to achieve greatness at Highbury despite a high-profile miss of his own. “Just 48 hours is a bit short to get over that [penalty miss], but it is part of this job to deal with disappointment and show that you can respond to it. He apologised after the game. “I don’t think that people are not shocked by the fact he missed a penalty because Bayern missed one as well. He takes his penalties in an unusual way, so people are maybe a little bit less comprehensive. You have to accept it or not. “Look, I believe that at the moment, we have to let him recover from that. I had examples before with people like Dennis Bergkamp who missed an important penalty in 1999 and refused to take any penalty again. “Incidentally, he gets a statue tomorrow, so it doesn’t take a statue away from you. Some other people don’t mind and do it again. A penalty is part of how you feel, how much you want it. “I wish that one day Ozil gets one outside the stadium one day as well and I will still be good enough to come and watch it [unveiling]. Ozil is a classy player and on a longer period, class tells always.” Source | ||
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Ysellian
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Micro_Jackson
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On February 22 2014 03:12 Ferrose wrote: Wenger on why Özil stayed on vs Bayern: + Show Spoiler + Arsene Wenger has explained that he left Mesut Ozil on against Bayern Munich because of the German’s ability to carry the ball long distances. Faced with having to sacrifice one of his players in light of Wojciech Szczesny’s first half red card the boss opted to stick with his summer signing, withdrawing Santi Cazorla instead. Given Ozil’s recent dip in form and the fact he’d missed an early penalty the decision has subsequently been put under the microscope. Speaking ahead of his side’s clash with Sunderland, Wenger reasoned: “The circumstances of the game were difficult. I left him on because he’s one of the few players who go from far, from distance when you’re down to ten men. [Travel] long ways with the ball and carry the ball into the opponents’ half. “Of course when you look back at the game the penalty obviously had an influence on his performance.” Admitting that his star man has yet to recover from the disappointment of having his spot-kick saved by Manuel Neuer, the boss was keen to put the incident into perspective joking that Dennis Bergkamp was another star who went on to achieve greatness at Highbury despite a high-profile miss of his own. “Just 48 hours is a bit short to get over that [penalty miss], but it is part of this job to deal with disappointment and show that you can respond to it. He apologised after the game. “I don’t think that people are not shocked by the fact he missed a penalty because Bayern missed one as well. He takes his penalties in an unusual way, so people are maybe a little bit less comprehensive. You have to accept it or not. “Look, I believe that at the moment, we have to let him recover from that. I had examples before with people like Dennis Bergkamp who missed an important penalty in 1999 and refused to take any penalty again. “Incidentally, he gets a statue tomorrow, so it doesn’t take a statue away from you. Some other people don’t mind and do it again. A penalty is part of how you feel, how much you want it. “I wish that one day Ozil gets one outside the stadium one day as well and I will still be good enough to come and watch it [unveiling]. Ozil is a classy player and on a longer period, class tells always.” Source As someone with a bit of coaching experience (basketball) i would have a problem with Özil if it is true that he apologised. | ||
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Craze
United States561 Posts
On February 22 2014 04:33 Micro_Jackson wrote: As someone with a bit of coaching experience (basketball) i would have a problem with Özil if it is true that he apologised. You'd have a problem with someone apologizing for a mistake? That seems like an absolutely terrible coaching mentality. If a player comes to you with an apology what they are doing is giving you a completely open teaching moment for you to use as a manager or coach. I'd love to have a player come to me and say "thanks for giving me that chance, sorry I missed it. I won't let you down next time." Or any one of those 3. Then as a coach if the player omits one of those 3 points you explain it and tell him why. | ||
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Micro_Jackson
Germany2002 Posts
On February 22 2014 04:44 Craze wrote: You'd have a problem with someone apologizing for a mistake? That seems like an absolutely terrible coaching mentality. If a player comes to you with an apology what they are doing is giving you a completely open teaching moment for you to use as a manager or coach. I'd love to have a player come to me and say "thanks for giving me that chance, sorry I missed it. I won't let you down next time." Or any one of those 3. Then as a coach if the player omits one of those 3 points you explain it and tell him why. urgs. There was an explaination but i somehow deleted it when i posted. Obviusly it depends a lot on the situation, does he apologise in private, in front of the team, to me, to the team, to everyone or even the day after and not everytime it is bad. The "problem" (i would never yell at a player like "real man doesn´t apologise" or something like that) is that to apologise he needs to feel he has to and that means he feels some sort of "guilt" for a single situation that is very unique in a 90 minute game. Thats a problem in my opinion because what you are trying to teach is to take the game play by play no matter what happens before. This could get a problematic dynamic because what happens if Arteta misses next time too and he doesn´t apologise? Are his teammates mad at that? Is Özil ok with that they let that go. And what are you doing if Mertesaker says "Mesut apologised for his miss why not you? Well why should i mistakes happen what was this in the 88 minute were you let Müller score? Why arent you apologise for that mistake?" I personally like to get pressure of players in this situations. For example if i am in a timeout situation 10 seconds on the clock last shot wins the game. I would never ask "who wants to shoot it?" I would go to my go to guys look at them and call a play "you are option #1 and you are option #2 do what we practised". If it goes wrong it was not the fault of the player, it was my fault because i choose the play for him. The dynamic that i would want is "he hits the player achieved it, he misses not that bad because it wasn´t his decision to shoot it it was the coach". Something like that is also a moment were your captain or team leader(s) can really shine because i would love someone saying "shut up Mesut you were at least better than Wojciech he thougt Robbens leg was the ball. It was one out of the 99 plays in the game we could have done better". But of course it is just my opinion that can differ for sure from others. There is no ultimate answer for something like this. | ||
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Ferrose
United States11378 Posts
And when someone puts their faith into you, and you fail them, it's one of the worst feelings in the world. Even if you're a £150k per week footballer. | ||
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Craze
United States561 Posts
I guess we don't think about it differently at all, just different ways of expressing the same thing. You want a player to understand that the pressure isn't on them, it's on you. They should play freely and express themselves and a manager should make the decision on whether that expression is what the team needs. On a side note, I disagree with Wenger's decision to leave Ozil on. He should have brought Rosicky on for Mesut and left Ox on the pitch, who seemed to be the only threat to link up via his pace. Ozil had one or two runs down the left side of the pitch but because he couldn't beat a defender for pace he was crowded out before he could find an outlet ball to Sanogo to hold up the play. | ||
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Micro_Jackson
Germany2002 Posts
It might be a bit off topic but you can take the two penalties as a learning video for different mindsets after penalty misses (sorry couldnt find better views of it): + Show Spoiler + If you look at the reactions closely you can see that Özil is angry (which is ok in my opinion) and wanders a bit around and keeps to be disapointed and talking to himself. On the opposite side after Alaba misses he has his second of shock but gathers himself immediately after that and goes back on defense hard with a look at his face i would call "fuck it i am playing even harder now to make up for it". Also i find another comparison interesting, look at Sanogo after the miss, he walks a bit and has no body tension at all. On the other side Mandzukic comes directly to Alaba, high fives him and gives him a little shove like he wanted to say "doesnt matter we will do it go back on defense." Maybe i am reading too much into it but this little things can have an impact on a game and a team in my opinion. To the rehabilitation of Wenger and Özil i read in german media (not sure where so no source, sorry) that Ox was a bit shaky after a hit in the first half and he already had subed 2 times with Gibbs and Cazorla. So he maybe had no choice. You could argue that subbing Özil instead of Cazola would be better but the game was 0-0 at this time and maybe the decision to park the bus was made in halftime. Also its not that Özil not tried to play defense, at least on a running/km per 90 minutes level: Wilshere 11,805 Ozil 11,698 Sanogo 11,504 With Özils defense it is not this stupid "he dont want to play defense" it is just the lack of defensive skills, which were well known before arsenal spend 50 million on him. | ||
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Mensol
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Mancini havent lose a single game at Turk Telekom Arena since he became our manager. He chooses different tactics for each game. We still have defensive problems but it got much better. Selcuk Inan and Melo are keys for Gala's victory. Please keep eye on Selcuk Inan because his technique is one of the best in Europe. On other hand, Mourinho, who managed to beat Manchester City at Etihad. It's going to be problematic for him that Matic can't play due rules but David Luiz still there. Hazard will be his most important player because Gala weak as fk against counters. I also expect him to start Eto because he's experienced player. He can overcome atmospheres like Gala's. I can agree that Chelsea is favorite in London but beating Gala at Istanbul is extremely hard in continental cups. It's not going to be easy to beat Gala in front of their supporters. What am i expecting? Even game, 1-1 draw but wouldn't be surprised if one of teams wins 2-1.(hope its going to be Gala :>) Lastly:+ Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://www.kotusozluk.com/img/2012/11/no-mercy-will-be-shown_1353784379.jpeg) | ||
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
I could see it going anything from 3-0 to 0-3. | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Champions League RO16 Day 3! ![[image loading]](http://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/teams/logos/18x18/52826.png) Zenit st. Petersburg  vs ![[image loading]](http://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/teams/logos/18x18/52758.png) Borussia Dortmund  Zenit st. Petersburg Team NewsDanny and Cristian Ansaldi are out with unknown injuries picked up against BATE. Roman Shirokov is recovering from a heel problem. Borussia Dortmund Team NewsMarco Reus and Sven Bender (both thigh) returned to action at the weekend after respective two-week absences, but the latter may be sidelined until May by a groin injury sustained in the first half. Hummels could play following a heel problem, while Erik Durm has a thigh complaint. İlkay Gündoğan (spine), Neven Subotić (knee) and Jakob Błaszczykowski (knee) are long-term absentees. ![[image loading]](http://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/teams/logos/18x18/2610.png) Olympiacos  vs ![[image loading]](http://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/teams/logos/18x18/52682.png) Manchester United ![[image loading]](http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/images2/6/6d/En.gif) Olympiacos Team NewsSaviola is out with a thigh problem sustained at the weekend, though Nelson Valdez (ankle) is now available. Giannis Maniatis, Iván Marcano, Delvin N'Dinga, Alejandro Domínguez and Michael Olaitan were all rested on Saturday. Manchester United Team NewsJonny Evans (calf) and Phil Jones (concussion) have not travelled to Piraeus but "everybody else is here," Moyes confirmed. Champions League RO16 Day 4! Wednesday 26th February 19:45 GMT (+00:00) ![[image loading]](http://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/teams/logos/18x18/50067.png) Galatasaray  vs ![[image loading]](http://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/teams/logos/18x18/52914.png) Chelsea Galatasaray Team Newstba Chelsea Team Newstba Wednesday 26th February 19:45 GMT (+00:00) ![[image loading]](http://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/teams/logos/18x18/57388.png) Schalke 04 vs ![[image loading]](http://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/teams/logos/18x18/50051.png) Real Madrid  Schalke 04 Team Newstba Real Madrid Team Newstba | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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Micro_Jackson
Germany2002 Posts
Also this: ![[image loading]](http://s3.amazonaws.com/br-cdn/temp_images/2014/02/22/84dbef88c887a60e70c6c287bedfea4a.gif?1393091309) | ||
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MapleLeafSirup
Germany950 Posts
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Maenander
Germany4927 Posts
On February 25 2014 19:52 Micro_Jackson wrote: I am really worried about Dortmund. They lost 0-3 against Hamburg, which were the worst team by far the last couple of weeks. It was and awful display by Dortmund. Slomka really made Hamburg play differently though, and Hamburg's squad isn't that bad on paper. | ||
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ne4aJIb
Russian Federation3209 Posts
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sharkie
Austria18752 Posts
On February 25 2014 20:11 Maenander wrote: It was and awful display by Dortmund. Slomka really made Hamburg play differently though, and Hamburg's squad isn't that bad on paper. Slomka is one of the best coaches in Germany. I dont understand why hannover got rid of him | ||
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
If we get an early goal this poor man.u will crumble I think. #believe | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8927 Posts
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