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On March 31 2014 00:17 Pandemona wrote:
Well, like i explaining to my Scouse friend at the moment....long be the days in the 00s where Chelsea vs Liverpool in knockout stages of Champions league every season in great tactical battles of Benitez vs Mourinho, where defenders defended and kept quiet the likes of Torres and Drogba in their prime. Now Liverpool just go #YOLO and make it entertaining for the neutral but absolute silly for the future. They wont score this amount of goals in the Champions league so again we'll have Liverpool just diving out before the Group stage again or whatever. Just makes league look even worst, which i admit at the moment it is 3rd best league in the world in terms of quality.
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Its not like Liverpool will automatically score less goals and at the same time allow the opposition the same amount of goals as they do now. Brendan has been remarkably adaptive, and Im sure he´ll have a plan when the CL hymn returns to Anfield. If we can put five goals past Arsenal and Tottenham we can probably outscore Basel, Steaua and Galatasaray as well.
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On March 31 2014 09:27 kyllinghest wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2014 00:17 Pandemona wrote:
Well, like i explaining to my Scouse friend at the moment....long be the days in the 00s where Chelsea vs Liverpool in knockout stages of Champions league every season in great tactical battles of Benitez vs Mourinho, where defenders defended and kept quiet the likes of Torres and Drogba in their prime. Now Liverpool just go #YOLO and make it entertaining for the neutral but absolute silly for the future. They wont score this amount of goals in the Champions league so again we'll have Liverpool just diving out before the Group stage again or whatever. Just makes league look even worst, which i admit at the moment it is 3rd best league in the world in terms of quality.
La Liga
Bundesliga
Premiership Its not like Liverpool will automatically score less goals and at the same time allow the opposition the same amount of goals as they do now. Brendan has been remarkably adaptive, and Im sure he´ll have a plan when the CL hymn returns to Anfield. If we can put five goals past Arsenal and Tottenham we can probably outscore Basel, Steaua and Galatasaray as well.
Well Chelsea put 6 passed Arsenal and 5 passed Spurs and lost to Basel twice and drew 1-1 in Istanbul 
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On March 31 2014 16:44 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2014 09:27 kyllinghest wrote:On March 31 2014 00:17 Pandemona wrote:
Well, like i explaining to my Scouse friend at the moment....long be the days in the 00s where Chelsea vs Liverpool in knockout stages of Champions league every season in great tactical battles of Benitez vs Mourinho, where defenders defended and kept quiet the likes of Torres and Drogba in their prime. Now Liverpool just go #YOLO and make it entertaining for the neutral but absolute silly for the future. They wont score this amount of goals in the Champions league so again we'll have Liverpool just diving out before the Group stage again or whatever. Just makes league look even worst, which i admit at the moment it is 3rd best league in the world in terms of quality.
La Liga
Bundesliga
Premiership Its not like Liverpool will automatically score less goals and at the same time allow the opposition the same amount of goals as they do now. Brendan has been remarkably adaptive, and Im sure he´ll have a plan when the CL hymn returns to Anfield. If we can put five goals past Arsenal and Tottenham we can probably outscore Basel, Steaua and Galatasaray as well. Well Chelsea put 6 passed Arsenal and 5 passed Spurs and lost to Basel twice and drew 1-1 in Istanbul
It is a bit short looked on the stats but i think it is a myth that there are less goals scored in CL. The average in the last years were between 2.5 and 2.9 goals/game were the average in PL is around 2.8 and in Bundesliga between 2.8 and 3.0.
So it has a bit more variant but it is not that much. Also influenzed on Inter, they won the year with the 2.5  .
I think Liverpool works a bit like Atletico or Dortmund. If everything works, they dont have more than one or two injuries and they play at their limit they can beat almost everyone but if something goes wong like key players have a bad day or beeing injured it goes down fast.
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On March 31 2014 18:21 Micro_Jackson wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2014 16:44 Pandemona wrote:On March 31 2014 09:27 kyllinghest wrote:On March 31 2014 00:17 Pandemona wrote:
Well, like i explaining to my Scouse friend at the moment....long be the days in the 00s where Chelsea vs Liverpool in knockout stages of Champions league every season in great tactical battles of Benitez vs Mourinho, where defenders defended and kept quiet the likes of Torres and Drogba in their prime. Now Liverpool just go #YOLO and make it entertaining for the neutral but absolute silly for the future. They wont score this amount of goals in the Champions league so again we'll have Liverpool just diving out before the Group stage again or whatever. Just makes league look even worst, which i admit at the moment it is 3rd best league in the world in terms of quality.
La Liga
Bundesliga
Premiership Its not like Liverpool will automatically score less goals and at the same time allow the opposition the same amount of goals as they do now. Brendan has been remarkably adaptive, and Im sure he´ll have a plan when the CL hymn returns to Anfield. If we can put five goals past Arsenal and Tottenham we can probably outscore Basel, Steaua and Galatasaray as well. Well Chelsea put 6 passed Arsenal and 5 passed Spurs and lost to Basel twice and drew 1-1 in Istanbul It is a bit short looked on the stats but i think it is a myth that there are less goals scored in CL. The average in the last years were between 2.5 and 2.9 goals/game were the average in PL is around 2.8 and in Bundesliga between 2.8 and 3.0. So it has a bit more variant but it is not that much. Also influenzed on Inter, they won the year with the 2.5 . I think Liverpool works a bit like Atletico or Dortmund. If everything works, they dont have more than one or two injuries and they play at their limit they can beat almost everyone but if something goes wong like key players have a bad day or beeing injured it goes down fast.
Well for me the difference between Liverpool and the two teams you just named is the defenses. In Atletico's defense + keeper, i would say i would take Godin and Courtious for Chelsea, both to me are very very good. For Dortmund i would take Hummels and Subotic. From Liverpools back 4 and keeper none of them are world class. Skrtel and Agger whilst being good CBs have no speed, they are to slow. Johnson is not good defensively and Flannagan is not good yet and to rash. Enrique i do like though, so maybe if he doesn't get forced into retirement with his knee's he might be worth taking.
I understand those stats, but they are always inflated by the teams like Real and Barca scoring goals for fun because they are the big boys. Again though i can't really say "Liverpool will fail so hard in the champions league" because they aren't in it yet to show me, next season they will be in it and will show us if they can out score teams for fun in it the way Real and Barca do.
One thing though, one important thing for me. What if next season Suarez or Sturridge aren't scoring for fun? Isn't many strikers that can follow up record breaking stats with more the following season. I remember when Drogba and Lampard scored 60 odd goals between them in our title winning campaign, they didn't do that the following season. So again that will be interesting, also maybe Real Madrid might want to bid £100million and take Suarez away
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Correct me of am wrong but I understood your comment in the way that you think Liverpool could go out in group stage if they play like this, without upgrading their defense or even loose key players. I dont think so, they will still be a good enough team for the ro16 as long as they dont get a deathgroup with Barca, PSG and Dortmund or something like that.
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On March 31 2014 18:31 Pandemona wrote:
Well for me the difference between Liverpool and the two teams you just named is the defenses. In Atletico's defense + keeper, i would say i would take Godin and Courtious for Chelsea, both to me are very very good. For Dortmund i would take Hummels and Subotic. From Liverpools back 4 and keeper none of them are world class. Skrtel and Agger whilst being good CBs have no speed, they are to slow. Johnson is not good defensively and Flannagan is not good yet and to rash. Enrique i do like though, so maybe if he doesn't get forced into retirement with his knee's he might be worth taking.
Don't forget about Sakho :p
I hope he can play a full season next year. He's really good (and he did qualify France for the WC too).
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On March 31 2014 03:21 Ferrose wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2014 23:23 Greg_J wrote:On March 30 2014 23:14 Mensol wrote:
Roberto Martinez deserves a medal.
Yanited can't even qualify for EL lolol If Arsenal win the FA cup the Europa league place for that will go to the 7th placed team in the Premier League which is Manchester United at the moment. But the last few years the FA Cup and League Cup keep getting sniped by small teams that end up in Europa League as a result. edit: Fulham where great in that game, but they lost and it's to late. Their down in my book If Arsenal win the FA Cup, the Europa League berth will go to the runner up, meaning the winner of the Hull City/Sheffield United match is going to the Europa League (unless Arsenal screw up and finish 5th/6th). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FA_Cup#European_qualification Wow, I did not know that. Looks like Manchester United will only get European football if they win the Champions League, heh good luck with that or Everton beat Arsenal to 5th and Arsenal win the FA Cup.
If they where to win the Champions League they have changed changed the rule that effected Chelsea and Tottenham so there would be 5 English teams in the Champions league next year. Obviously this is a lower likelihood than Fulham avoiding relegation.
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I'm catching up on the clasico since I was away and I have to say that neymar didn't dive as I first thought after watching the highlights.
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man, that still doesn't really convince me either way. it looks just as much as him kicking his own back heel and using that as a way of "falling legitimately" as it looks like ramos kicking his leg. which means that I can't fault the referee either way as I'm genuinely not able to tell even when looking at the replay 20 times.
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Going at top speed it doesn't take much contact to bring someone down. Ramos pushed Neymar's lower leg which caused him to clip his own feet. It can be argued that it's a bit soft but I don't think it's an egregious decision.
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Either way its a close decision. Ramos big weakness, besides being a world class defender is definitely his decisionmaking. So many yellow and red cards. Compare this to Lahm, Alaba, Hummels, Pique ect..
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On March 31 2014 18:58 Micro_Jackson wrote:
Correct me of am wrong but I understood your comment in the way that you think Liverpool could go out in group stage if they play like this, without upgrading their defense or even loose key players. I dont think so, they will still be a good enough team for the ro16 as long as they dont get a deathgroup with Barca, PSG and Dortmund or something like that.
Yeah just looking at the coeffecient rankings at the moment and Liverpool are now ranked 32nd. So that means they will be in pot 4 unless some of the names above them don't qualify for the champions league again. Will need 8 teams above them in this list (32nd and above) to not qualify for them to squeeze into pot 3. That being said they could get a group of death pretty easily. OUCH!! (:D :D :D :D :D)
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I wouldn´t focus too much on the contact. The reason why the ref had to call it was because there is no way Ramos can get to the ball with this angle which means any contact is an automatic foul no matter where it happens. Also the continuation of Ramos route is suspicious, look at the first step after "contact" with his left leg it goes more to an outside direction instead of the inside to keep trying to play for the ball.
I don´t think it was a flop, i see a little contact, Neymar is at full speed and turns his hip at the exact moment which brings you unbalanced fast after contact. And like i said with this positioning and the crossing motion the ref has to call every contact to the legs.
Show nested quote +On March 31 2014 18:58 Micro_Jackson wrote:
Correct me of am wrong but I understood your comment in the way that you think Liverpool could go out in group stage if they play like this, without upgrading their defense or even loose key players. I dont think so, they will still be a good enough team for the ro16 as long as they dont get a deathgroup with Barca, PSG and Dortmund or something like that. Yeah just looking at the coeffecient rankings at the moment and Liverpool are now ranked 32nd. So that means they will be in pot 4 unless some of the names above them don't qualify for the champions league again. Will need 8 teams above them in this list (32nd and above) to not qualify for them to squeeze into pot 3. That being said they could get a group of death pretty easily. OUCH!! (:D :D :D :D :D)
What gives me hope for Liverpool (at least the handful of games i saw) is that their play style is very ball orientated which means it can transition into CL and is not that easy to "figure out".
For example a part of Dortmunds problems this season is not only the injurys it is that teams learned to play against their counter attack high press playstyle by just giving them the ball. Mainz showed that impressively by just giving them the ball, play defensively and then transition very vertical after winning the ball.
Teams with deep rosters like Real or Bayern can counter that by subbing different types of players, were Liverpool, Arsenal or Atletico don't have the depth for.
But like i said it think Liverpools play style is better because they are more used to have the ball and opponents that just park the bus.
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On March 31 2014 20:55 Micro_Jackson wrote:I wouldn´t focus too much on the contact. The reason why the ref had to call it was because there is no way Ramos can get to the ball with this angle which means any contact is an automatic foul no matter where it happens. Also the continuation of Ramos route is suspicious, look at the first step after "contact" with his left leg it goes more to an outside direction instead of the inside to keep trying to play for the ball. I don´t think it was a flop, i see a little contact, Neymar is at full speed and turns his hip at the exact moment which brings you unbalanced fast after contact. And like i said with this positioning and the crossing motion the ref has to call every contact to the legs. Show nested quote +On March 31 2014 18:58 Micro_Jackson wrote:
Correct me of am wrong but I understood your comment in the way that you think Liverpool could go out in group stage if they play like this, without upgrading their defense or even loose key players. I dont think so, they will still be a good enough team for the ro16 as long as they dont get a deathgroup with Barca, PSG and Dortmund or something like that. Yeah just looking at the coeffecient rankings at the moment and Liverpool are now ranked 32nd. So that means they will be in pot 4 unless some of the names above them don't qualify for the champions league again. Will need 8 teams above them in this list (32nd and above) to not qualify for them to squeeze into pot 3. That being said they could get a group of death pretty easily. OUCH!! (:D :D :D :D :D) What gives me hope for Liverpool (at least the handful of games i saw) is that their play style is very ball orientated which means it can transition into CL and is not that easy to "figure out". For example a part of Dortmunds problems this season is not only the injurys it is that teams learned to play against their counter attack high press playstyle by just giving them the ball. Mainz showed that impressively by just giving them the ball, play defensively and then transition very vertical after winning the ball. Teams with deep rosters like Real or Bayern can counter that by subbing different types of players, were Liverpool, Arsenal or Atletico don't have the depth for. But like i said it think Liverpools play style is better because they are more used to have the ball and opponents that just park the bus.
True, i would love them to get welcomed back into the Champions League with a group of death though :3 wuahahah
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So pot 4 will have Liverpool and Monaco next year. Pot 3 will have great fun
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Oh yeah Monaco as well haha, oh my. Champions league so much fun :D
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Liverpool going to be scary after transfer window.
Brendan isnt like Moyes, he actually know what he is doing.
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On March 31 2014 20:50 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
Either way its a close decision. Ramos big weakness, besides being a world class defender is definitely his decisionmaking. So many yellow and red cards. Compare this to Lahm, Alaba, Hummels, Pique ect..
Yeah he gets caught on the wrong side of Neymar and catches Neymar when he tries to get on the right side of him. I honestly wouldn't want him in my squad if I had unlimited funds, such a liability.
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