On February 20 2014 00:28 Pandemona wrote: Because you said German Juggernaut like they some kind of demolishing team. Yes they have been for 1 season....they have won the best competition in Europe twice since 1980s....that isn't Juggernaut that is just doing good now. Or it would be the equivalent of saying Chelsea the English Juggernaut taking on Galatasaray because we won the Champions the other year and have some good players and can play well xD Or even Man City they won the league once, lost it twice with the same team and are currently choking for the 3rd time in a row in the champions league. 2 Group stage exists, one 4th and one 3rd place. And now possibly a RO16 exit. I know it happens a lot in here people jump on recent success and forget the past pretty quickly. Calling a team a Juggernaut because they won domestically last year and the Champions league who still had that nice 2-0 loss to Salzburg xD Lets go back 5 years and see how this team from Bayern were no match for a new Chelsea side just mustured together beating Oli Khan and co, or when they lost to the likes of Chelsea because they couldn't hit a barn door in the final. Or when they didn't even qualify for the champions league ;_; in 2007-08 or when they got spanked by Barca in 2009. Or when they some how lost to a Inter side on away goals rule who then got spanked by Shalke 7-3 in 2011 who then got turned over 6-1 by Yanited.
I know it's a bit of a jump on you comment, but lets be careful the words we use xD Bayern are the best team in European football right now, have good coach play nice football and have good players. HOWEVER they can still be beaten, they are still the same players minus 1 from the team that couldn't hit a barn door vs Chelsea. Or the same team that took 120minutes to beat 10men Chelsea team who ship goals for fun.
I'd say Bayern are a juggernaut or the closest thing, I would look up the word.
I think you just jumped on something and spent a fair bit of justifying a reaction that makes really non sense at all.
What does history have to do with a club being dominant right now ?
A juggernaut, in current English usage, is a literal or metaphorical force regarded as mercilessly destructive and unstoppable.
Is the definition? How are Bayern unstoppable right now? They have dropped points in the league, have the biggest squad in Europe in terms of quality. Have only had 1 huge champions league win in the last 10 years and people are saying they are the best thing ever etcetc. Right now at this moment, untested they are sure as hell looking like the best team RIGHT NOW, but they are no Barcelona from when they went 3 out of 5 champions league wins or so. Like i said at the end of it, might just be the difference in terms of what a juggernaut is, but i don't see Bayern steam rolling anyone with they style they play, i also want to be proven wrong. I think they deserve some success now and in the future. But they haven't earned anything yet.
History has nothing to do with right now, however RECENT history does? Last year they cleaned up vs the teams in the Champions league minus Salzburg %_% then they also won the final in a close game vs Dortmund? This season like i said they have played vs City twice with a W1 L1 record and that is it no? Dortmund have had half their squad missing and their best striker come in and out of form due to many reasons. Other than that their league has been proven to be a bit slacking compared to other European teams. Another debate of course. But that being said they can prove to the world tonight they are the real deal again and put Arsenal to the cleaners. I hope they do because i like seeing Arsenal lose everything in February :D
On February 20 2014 00:28 Pandemona wrote: Because you said German Juggernaut like they some kind of demolishing team. Yes they have been for 1 season....they have won the best competition in Europe twice since 1980s....that isn't Juggernaut that is just doing good now. Or it would be the equivalent of saying Chelsea the English Juggernaut taking on Galatasaray because we won the Champions the other year and have some good players and can play well xD Or even Man City they won the league once, lost it twice with the same team and are currently choking for the 3rd time in a row in the champions league. 2 Group stage exists, one 4th and one 3rd place. And now possibly a RO16 exit. I know it happens a lot in here people jump on recent success and forget the past pretty quickly. Calling a team a Juggernaut because they won domestically last year and the Champions league who still had that nice 2-0 loss to Salzburg xD Lets go back 5 years and see how this team from Bayern were no match for a new Chelsea side just mustured together beating Oli Khan and co, or when they lost to the likes of Chelsea because they couldn't hit a barn door in the final. Or when they didn't even qualify for the champions league ;_; in 2007-08 or when they got spanked by Barca in 2009. Or when they some how lost to a Inter side on away goals rule who then got spanked by Shalke 7-3 in 2011 who then got turned over 6-1 by Yanited.
I know it's a bit of a jump on you comment, but lets be careful the words we use xD Bayern are the best team in European football right now, have good coach play nice football and have good players. HOWEVER they can still be beaten, they are still the same players minus 1 from the team that couldn't hit a barn door vs Chelsea. Or the same team that took 120minutes to beat 10men Chelsea team who ship goals for fun.
I'd say Bayern are a juggernaut or the closest thing, I would look up the word.
I think you just jumped on something and spent a fair bit of justifying a reaction that makes really non sense at all.
What does history have to do with a club being dominant right now ?
A juggernaut, in current English usage, is a literal or metaphorical force regarded as mercilessly destructive and unstoppable.
Is the definition? How are Bayern unstoppable right now? They have dropped points in the league, have the biggest squad in Europe in terms of quality. Have only had 1 huge champions league win in the last 10 years and people are saying they are the best thing ever etcetc. Right now at this moment, untested they are sure as hell looking like the best team RIGHT NOW, but they are no Barcelona from when they went 3 out of 5 champions league wins or so. Like i said at the end of it, might just be the difference in terms of what a juggernaut is, but i don't see Bayern steam rolling anyone with they style they play, i also want to be proven wrong. I think they deserve some success now and in the future. But they haven't earned anything yet.
History has nothing to do with right now, however RECENT history does? Last year they cleaned up vs the teams in the Champions league minus Salzburg %_% then they also won the final in a close game vs Dortmund? This season like i said they have played vs City twice with a W1 L1 record and that is it no? Dortmund have had half their squad missing and their best striker come in and out of form due to many reasons. Other than that their league has been proven to be a bit slacking compared to other European teams. Another debate of course. But that being said they can prove to the world tonight they are the real deal again and put Arsenal to the cleaners. I hope they do because i like seeing Arsenal lose everything in February :D
How is any team unstoppable?! The CL never had a defending champion, that says a lot. There is much luck/form of the day involved, you can lose to any team in 90/120 minutes which a chelsea supporter should know the best ( no offense, you kinda deserved that win in munich and after some time i am happy that the likes of drogba/lampard/chech got a big championship in their careers).
I kinda get the impression you have a massiv bias against bayern reading your posts. Like bringing up a between season loss against salzburg which has no value at all.. Bayern was the best team in the world last season, there is no discussion needed, they proved them self over and over vs. arsenal juve barca dortmund in the ko-games. They were in 3 out of 4 cl finals in the past years and are now in their prime.
Let's see how it plays out tonight, but imho they dont have to roll every game over and over, which they did, to prove they are 'the real deal'..
On February 20 2014 00:28 Pandemona wrote: Because you said German Juggernaut like they some kind of demolishing team. Yes they have been for 1 season....they have won the best competition in Europe twice since 1980s....that isn't Juggernaut that is just doing good now. Or it would be the equivalent of saying Chelsea the English Juggernaut taking on Galatasaray because we won the Champions the other year and have some good players and can play well xD Or even Man City they won the league once, lost it twice with the same team and are currently choking for the 3rd time in a row in the champions league. 2 Group stage exists, one 4th and one 3rd place. And now possibly a RO16 exit. I know it happens a lot in here people jump on recent success and forget the past pretty quickly. Calling a team a Juggernaut because they won domestically last year and the Champions league who still had that nice 2-0 loss to Salzburg xD Lets go back 5 years and see how this team from Bayern were no match for a new Chelsea side just mustured together beating Oli Khan and co, or when they lost to the likes of Chelsea because they couldn't hit a barn door in the final. Or when they didn't even qualify for the champions league ;_; in 2007-08 or when they got spanked by Barca in 2009. Or when they some how lost to a Inter side on away goals rule who then got spanked by Shalke 7-3 in 2011 who then got turned over 6-1 by Yanited.
I know it's a bit of a jump on you comment, but lets be careful the words we use xD Bayern are the best team in European football right now, have good coach play nice football and have good players. HOWEVER they can still be beaten, they are still the same players minus 1 from the team that couldn't hit a barn door vs Chelsea. Or the same team that took 120minutes to beat 10men Chelsea team who ship goals for fun.
I'd say Bayern are a juggernaut or the closest thing, I would look up the word.
I think you just jumped on something and spent a fair bit of justifying a reaction that makes really non sense at all.
What does history have to do with a club being dominant right now ?
A juggernaut, in current English usage, is a literal or metaphorical force regarded as mercilessly destructive and unstoppable.
Is the definition? How are Bayern unstoppable right now? They have dropped points in the league, have the biggest squad in Europe in terms of quality. Have only had 1 huge champions league win in the last 10 years and people are saying they are the best thing ever etcetc. Right now at this moment, untested they are sure as hell looking like the best team RIGHT NOW, but they are no Barcelona from when they went 3 out of 5 champions league wins or so. Like i said at the end of it, might just be the difference in terms of what a juggernaut is, but i don't see Bayern steam rolling anyone with they style they play, i also want to be proven wrong. I think they deserve some success now and in the future. But they haven't earned anything yet.
History has nothing to do with right now, however RECENT history does? Last year they cleaned up vs the teams in the Champions league minus Salzburg %_% then they also won the final in a close game vs Dortmund? This season like i said they have played vs City twice with a W1 L1 record and that is it no? Dortmund have had half their squad missing and their best striker come in and out of form due to many reasons. Other than that their league has been proven to be a bit slacking compared to other European teams. Another debate of course. But that being said they can prove to the world tonight they are the real deal again and put Arsenal to the cleaners. I hope they do because i like seeing Arsenal lose everything in February :D
How is any team unstoppable?! The CL never had a defending champion, that says a lot. There is much luck/form of the day involved, you can lose to any team in 90/120 minutes which a chelsea supporter should know the best ( no offense, you kinda deserved that win in munich and after some time i am happy that the likes of drogba/lampard/chech got a big championship in their careers).
I kinda get the impression you have a massiv bias against bayern reading your posts. Like bringing up a between season loss against salzburg which has no value at all.. Bayern was the best team in the world last season, there is no discussion needed, they proved them self over and over vs. arsenal juve barca dortmund in the ko-games. They were in 3 out of 4 cl finals in the past years and are now in their prime.
Let's see how it plays out tonight, but imho they dont have to roll every game over and over, which they did, to prove they are 'the real deal'..
Game against Salzburg has same meaning as the loss does to city? Both group games, both could of cost Bayern top spot in groups and seed as number 2? City one goal away from giving Bayern an even tougher opponent than the one they got. Every group game is important, as Chelsea proved when they nearly fucked up cuz of 2 losses to Basel. You mention Juventus who were the worst team in that knock out stage last season as proved when the same team failed to get our their group with draws to Copenhagen and losses to Galatasaray. Arsenal again was a near miss after nearly blowing a 3-0 first leg lead with a 2-0 home defeat? Again i bring back to Juggernaut comment, you can't be a juggernaut if you losing games which actually MEAN something.
They are a good team i said that, but like i said they cannot be called the best or the greatest or a juggernaut yet. No one has one the CL back to back no but teams have won it back to back when it was called the European Cup and arguably a tougher competition as only the league winners from each european league entered it. Heres the list; + Show Spoiler +
Real Madrid CF (SPAIN) 1956 - Real Madrid CF 4-3 Stade de Reims 1957 - Real Madrid CF 2-0 AC Fiorantina 1958 - Real Madrid CF 3-2 AC Milan (after extra time, full time 2-2) 1959 - Real Madrid CF 2-0 Stade de Reims 1960 - Real Madrid CF 7-3 Eintracht Frankfurt
SL Benfica (PORTUGAL) 1961 - SL Benfica 3-2 FC Barcelona 1962 - SL Benfica 5-3 Real Madrid CF
Internazionale Milan (ITALY) 1964 - Internazionale Milan 3-1 Real Madrid CF 1965 - Internazionale Milan 1-0 SL Benfica
AC Milan (ITALY) 1989 - AC Milan 4-0 Steaua Bucureşti 1990 - AC Milan 1-0 SL Benfica
On February 20 2014 02:53 Steveling wrote: Pande at no point made this personal, you are not cool magicphil.
Yeah i guess i can't have a discussion with him :s I mean Barca fanboys don't QQ as much as that and they have more of a right xD Oh well. I speak to this other nice guy who made his point properly.
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On February 20 2014 00:28 Pandemona wrote: Because you said German Juggernaut like they some kind of demolishing team. Yes they have been for 1 season....they have won the best competition in Europe twice since 1980s....that isn't Juggernaut that is just doing good now. Or it would be the equivalent of saying Chelsea the English Juggernaut taking on Galatasaray because we won the Champions the other year and have some good players and can play well xD Or even Man City they won the league once, lost it twice with the same team and are currently choking for the 3rd time in a row in the champions league. 2 Group stage exists, one 4th and one 3rd place. And now possibly a RO16 exit. I know it happens a lot in here people jump on recent success and forget the past pretty quickly. Calling a team a Juggernaut because they won domestically last year and the Champions league who still had that nice 2-0 loss to Salzburg xD Lets go back 5 years and see how this team from Bayern were no match for a new Chelsea side just mustured together beating Oli Khan and co, or when they lost to the likes of Chelsea because they couldn't hit a barn door in the final. Or when they didn't even qualify for the champions league ;_; in 2007-08 or when they got spanked by Barca in 2009. Or when they some how lost to a Inter side on away goals rule who then got spanked by Shalke 7-3 in 2011 who then got turned over 6-1 by Yanited.
I know it's a bit of a jump on you comment, but lets be careful the words we use xD Bayern are the best team in European football right now, have good coach play nice football and have good players. HOWEVER they can still be beaten, they are still the same players minus 1 from the team that couldn't hit a barn door vs Chelsea. Or the same team that took 120minutes to beat 10men Chelsea team who ship goals for fun.
I'd say Bayern are a juggernaut or the closest thing, I would look up the word.
I think you just jumped on something and spent a fair bit of justifying a reaction that makes really non sense at all.
What does history have to do with a club being dominant right now ?
A juggernaut, in current English usage, is a literal or metaphorical force regarded as mercilessly destructive and unstoppable.
Is the definition? How are Bayern unstoppable right now? They have dropped points in the league, have the biggest squad in Europe in terms of quality. Have only had 1 huge champions league win in the last 10 years and people are saying they are the best thing ever etcetc. Right now at this moment, untested they are sure as hell looking like the best team RIGHT NOW, but they are no Barcelona from when they went 3 out of 5 champions league wins or so. Like i said at the end of it, might just be the difference in terms of what a juggernaut is, but i don't see Bayern steam rolling anyone with they style they play, i also want to be proven wrong. I think they deserve some success now and in the future. But they haven't earned anything yet.
History has nothing to do with right now, however RECENT history does? Last year they cleaned up vs the teams in the Champions league minus Salzburg %_% then they also won the final in a close game vs Dortmund? This season like i said they have played vs City twice with a W1 L1 record and that is it no? Dortmund have had half their squad missing and their best striker come in and out of form due to many reasons. Other than that their league has been proven to be a bit slacking compared to other European teams. Another debate of course. But that being said they can prove to the world tonight they are the real deal again and put Arsenal to the cleaners. I hope they do because i like seeing Arsenal lose everything in February :D
How is any team unstoppable?! The CL never had a defending champion, that says a lot. There is much luck/form of the day involved, you can lose to any team in 90/120 minutes which a chelsea supporter should know the best ( no offense, you kinda deserved that win in munich and after some time i am happy that the likes of drogba/lampard/chech got a big championship in their careers).
I kinda get the impression you have a massiv bias against bayern reading your posts. Like bringing up a between season loss against salzburg which has no value at all.. Bayern was the best team in the world last season, there is no discussion needed, they proved them self over and over vs. arsenal juve barca dortmund in the ko-games. They were in 3 out of 4 cl finals in the past years and are now in their prime.
Let's see how it plays out tonight, but imho they dont have to roll every game over and over, which they did, to prove they are 'the real deal'..
Game against Salzburg has same meaning as the loss does to city? Both group games, both could of cost Bayern top spot in groups and seed as number 2? City one goal away from giving Bayern an even tougher opponent than the one they got. Every group game is important, as Chelsea proved when they nearly fucked up cuz of 2 losses to Basel. You mention Juventus who were the worst team in that knock out stage last season as proved when the same team failed to get our their group with draws to Copenhagen and losses to Galatasaray. Arsenal again was a near miss after nearly blowing a 3-0 first leg lead with a 2-0 home defeat? Again i bring back to Juggernaut comment, you can't be a juggernaut if you losing games which actually MEAN something.
They are a good team i said that, but like i said they cannot be called the best or the greatest or a juggernaut yet. No one has one the CL back to back no but teams have won it back to back when it was called the European Cup and arguably a tougher competition as only the league winners from each european league entered it. Heres the list; + Show Spoiler +
Real Madrid CF (SPAIN) 1956 - Real Madrid CF 4-3 Stade de Reims 1957 - Real Madrid CF 2-0 AC Fiorantina 1958 - Real Madrid CF 3-2 AC Milan (after extra time, full time 2-2) 1959 - Real Madrid CF 2-0 Stade de Reims 1960 - Real Madrid CF 7-3 Eintracht Frankfurt
SL Benfica (PORTUGAL) 1961 - SL Benfica 3-2 FC Barcelona 1962 - SL Benfica 5-3 Real Madrid CF
Internazionale Milan (ITALY) 1964 - Internazionale Milan 3-1 Real Madrid CF 1965 - Internazionale Milan 1-0 SL Benfica
On February 20 2014 02:53 Steveling wrote: Pande at no point made this personal, you are not cool magicphil.
Yeah i guess i can't have a discussion with him :s I mean Barca fanboys don't QQ as much as that and they have more of a right xD Oh well. I speak to this other nice guy who made his point properly.
Ok now you got me confused.. against salzburg was a friendly in january, we played in our winter break. Game against city had some meaning, but the border line is we won the direct score and toped the group
You are right, bayern is for sure not the best team ever existed, but you could give them a little more credit to be honest.
Well of course he made it personaly. The stuff he wrote was an insult to rationality. And again i have no choice but to think he is clueless. Salzburg was a unimportant friendly. Nothing else
And about the juggernaut thing. Of course you can still be a juggernaut even if you lose games.
Jesus christ..
They called Kai Budde a Juggernaut, too and he certainly lost his fair share of games. Same with Federer or any other superb competitor.
On February 20 2014 00:28 Pandemona wrote: Because you said German Juggernaut like they some kind of demolishing team. Yes they have been for 1 season....they have won the best competition in Europe twice since 1980s....that isn't Juggernaut that is just doing good now. Or it would be the equivalent of saying Chelsea the English Juggernaut taking on Galatasaray because we won the Champions the other year and have some good players and can play well xD Or even Man City they won the league once, lost it twice with the same team and are currently choking for the 3rd time in a row in the champions league. 2 Group stage exists, one 4th and one 3rd place. And now possibly a RO16 exit. I know it happens a lot in here people jump on recent success and forget the past pretty quickly. Calling a team a Juggernaut because they won domestically last year and the Champions league who still had that nice 2-0 loss to Salzburg xD Lets go back 5 years and see how this team from Bayern were no match for a new Chelsea side just mustured together beating Oli Khan and co, or when they lost to the likes of Chelsea because they couldn't hit a barn door in the final. Or when they didn't even qualify for the champions league ;_; in 2007-08 or when they got spanked by Barca in 2009. Or when they some how lost to a Inter side on away goals rule who then got spanked by Shalke 7-3 in 2011 who then got turned over 6-1 by Yanited.
I know it's a bit of a jump on you comment, but lets be careful the words we use xD Bayern are the best team in European football right now, have good coach play nice football and have good players. HOWEVER they can still be beaten, they are still the same players minus 1 from the team that couldn't hit a barn door vs Chelsea. Or the same team that took 120minutes to beat 10men Chelsea team who ship goals for fun.
I'd say Bayern are a juggernaut or the closest thing, I would look up the word.
I think you just jumped on something and spent a fair bit of justifying a reaction that makes really non sense at all.
What does history have to do with a club being dominant right now ?
A juggernaut, in current English usage, is a literal or metaphorical force regarded as mercilessly destructive and unstoppable.
Is the definition? How are Bayern unstoppable right now? They have dropped points in the league, have the biggest squad in Europe in terms of quality. Have only had 1 huge champions league win in the last 10 years and people are saying they are the best thing ever etcetc. Right now at this moment, untested they are sure as hell looking like the best team RIGHT NOW, but they are no Barcelona from when they went 3 out of 5 champions league wins or so. Like i said at the end of it, might just be the difference in terms of what a juggernaut is, but i don't see Bayern steam rolling anyone with they style they play, i also want to be proven wrong. I think they deserve some success now and in the future. But they haven't earned anything yet.
History has nothing to do with right now, however RECENT history does? Last year they cleaned up vs the teams in the Champions league minus Salzburg %_% then they also won the final in a close game vs Dortmund? This season like i said they have played vs City twice with a W1 L1 record and that is it no? Dortmund have had half their squad missing and their best striker come in and out of form due to many reasons. Other than that their league has been proven to be a bit slacking compared to other European teams. Another debate of course. But that being said they can prove to the world tonight they are the real deal again and put Arsenal to the cleaners. I hope they do because i like seeing Arsenal lose everything in February :D
Bayern don't have to prove anything. It's the job of every other team in Europe to knock them off their perch.
Yeah the reason everyone getting confused about Salzburg is because i meant the BATE Borisov game in the group stages My bad, i know they lost to a team that was poor like Salzburg but obviously the Salzburg one was more recent and it jolted my memory so was using them. As you can see if you read my post is mentions champions league :D
Also Arsenal played well vs Bayern for most of the first half tonight, 11 vs 11 again might of been different result! Anyone champs league talk not in here ;o
Holland national coach Louis van Gaal has announced that he is looking to land a coaching post in England after the World Cup.
The Dutchman claims to have had contact with Tottenham Hotspur in the recent past, but is unaware of their future plans after handing the White Hart Lane reins to Tim Sherwood.
Van Gaal told the Daily Mail: "I am mostly interested in England because I have been a coach in Spain, Germany, in the Netherlands, so I think England is the next step in my career.
"Spurs? It could be another club - it depends on the vacancies, because Spurs was already with me.
"I prefer to be focused on this World Cup and now there's another coach (at Spurs), so as coach you cannot say I go to that club or that club, it depends on circumstances and the vacancies."
Fulham aren't actually that far behind in points, and they have players like Mitroglou, Holtby and Stekelenburg in their squad, avoiding relegation seems possible.
It's just unbelievable that he will have every single major record next season, just on his 27th birthday. Oh except for his national team, that will take a while cause the games are too few.
On February 20 2014 00:28 Pandemona wrote: Because you said German Juggernaut like they some kind of demolishing team. Yes they have been for 1 season....they have won the best competition in Europe twice since 1980s....that isn't Juggernaut that is just doing good now. Or it would be the equivalent of saying Chelsea the English Juggernaut taking on Galatasaray because we won the Champions the other year and have some good players and can play well xD Or even Man City they won the league once, lost it twice with the same team and are currently choking for the 3rd time in a row in the champions league. 2 Group stage exists, one 4th and one 3rd place. And now possibly a RO16 exit. I know it happens a lot in here people jump on recent success and forget the past pretty quickly. Calling a team a Juggernaut because they won domestically last year and the Champions league who still had that nice 2-0 loss to Salzburg xD Lets go back 5 years and see how this team from Bayern were no match for a new Chelsea side just mustured together beating Oli Khan and co, or when they lost to the likes of Chelsea because they couldn't hit a barn door in the final. Or when they didn't even qualify for the champions league ;_; in 2007-08 or when they got spanked by Barca in 2009. Or when they some how lost to a Inter side on away goals rule who then got spanked by Shalke 7-3 in 2011 who then got turned over 6-1 by Yanited.
I know it's a bit of a jump on you comment, but lets be careful the words we use xD Bayern are the best team in European football right now, have good coach play nice football and have good players. HOWEVER they can still be beaten, they are still the same players minus 1 from the team that couldn't hit a barn door vs Chelsea. Or the same team that took 120minutes to beat 10men Chelsea team who ship goals for fun.
I'd say Bayern are a juggernaut or the closest thing, I would look up the word.
I think you just jumped on something and spent a fair bit of justifying a reaction that makes really non sense at all.
What does history have to do with a club being dominant right now ?
A juggernaut, in current English usage, is a literal or metaphorical force regarded as mercilessly destructive and unstoppable.
Is the definition? How are Bayern unstoppable right now? They have dropped points in the league, have the biggest squad in Europe in terms of quality. Have only had 1 huge champions league win in the last 10 years and people are saying they are the best thing ever etcetc. Right now at this moment, untested they are sure as hell looking like the best team RIGHT NOW, but they are no Barcelona from when they went 3 out of 5 champions league wins or so. Like i said at the end of it, might just be the difference in terms of what a juggernaut is, but i don't see Bayern steam rolling anyone with they style they play, i also want to be proven wrong. I think they deserve some success now and in the future. But they haven't earned anything yet.
History has nothing to do with right now, however RECENT history does? Last year they cleaned up vs the teams in the Champions league minus Salzburg %_% then they also won the final in a close game vs Dortmund? This season like i said they have played vs City twice with a W1 L1 record and that is it no? Dortmund have had half their squad missing and their best striker come in and out of form due to many reasons. Other than that their league has been proven to be a bit slacking compared to other European teams. Another debate of course. But that being said they can prove to the world tonight they are the real deal again and put Arsenal to the cleaners. I hope they do because i like seeing Arsenal lose everything in February :D
The bias is overwhelming in this post.
Bayern completely dominated the CL last year, and they are looking to do the same thing this year. They are unstoppable in the Bundesliga (still undefeated) and they simply look better than every team in the world right now. And that loss against Man City? The game literally meant nothing to Bayern, as it couldn't change seeding or anything. They had already effectively locked up the top spot in their group. Bayern is still the top dog (coming off of 4 trophies in a calendar year), and they have nothing to prove. They are the favorites until someone can actually show us that they shouldn't be, which no one has.
I said this EXACT same thing last season (2012-2013) around November (and people didn't believe me until it happened!); that Bayern looked unstoppable and that I would be seriously shocked if they didn't win the Treble. Guess what? They did, and they did it in an utterly dominant fashion. Seeing the same thing this year. They are effectively guaranteed the Double, and if they didn't get the Treble again, I would be quite shocked.
I agree that they are still the team to beat, although I think barca can overcome them now if they meet again. But in 20 odd years there have being many scary teams in sick form including Pep's barca and no team managed to do the repeat as the bball fans call it. It would be a major accomplishment if they pull it off.
On February 20 2014 00:28 Pandemona wrote: Because you said German Juggernaut like they some kind of demolishing team. Yes they have been for 1 season....they have won the best competition in Europe twice since 1980s....that isn't Juggernaut that is just doing good now. Or it would be the equivalent of saying Chelsea the English Juggernaut taking on Galatasaray because we won the Champions the other year and have some good players and can play well xD Or even Man City they won the league once, lost it twice with the same team and are currently choking for the 3rd time in a row in the champions league. 2 Group stage exists, one 4th and one 3rd place. And now possibly a RO16 exit. I know it happens a lot in here people jump on recent success and forget the past pretty quickly. Calling a team a Juggernaut because they won domestically last year and the Champions league who still had that nice 2-0 loss to Salzburg xD Lets go back 5 years and see how this team from Bayern were no match for a new Chelsea side just mustured together beating Oli Khan and co, or when they lost to the likes of Chelsea because they couldn't hit a barn door in the final. Or when they didn't even qualify for the champions league ;_; in 2007-08 or when they got spanked by Barca in 2009. Or when they some how lost to a Inter side on away goals rule who then got spanked by Shalke 7-3 in 2011 who then got turned over 6-1 by Yanited.
I know it's a bit of a jump on you comment, but lets be careful the words we use xD Bayern are the best team in European football right now, have good coach play nice football and have good players. HOWEVER they can still be beaten, they are still the same players minus 1 from the team that couldn't hit a barn door vs Chelsea. Or the same team that took 120minutes to beat 10men Chelsea team who ship goals for fun.
I'd say Bayern are a juggernaut or the closest thing, I would look up the word.
I think you just jumped on something and spent a fair bit of justifying a reaction that makes really non sense at all.
What does history have to do with a club being dominant right now ?
A juggernaut, in current English usage, is a literal or metaphorical force regarded as mercilessly destructive and unstoppable.
Is the definition? How are Bayern unstoppable right now? They have dropped points in the league, have the biggest squad in Europe in terms of quality. Have only had 1 huge champions league win in the last 10 years and people are saying they are the best thing ever etcetc. Right now at this moment, untested they are sure as hell looking like the best team RIGHT NOW, but they are no Barcelona from when they went 3 out of 5 champions league wins or so. Like i said at the end of it, might just be the difference in terms of what a juggernaut is, but i don't see Bayern steam rolling anyone with they style they play, i also want to be proven wrong. I think they deserve some success now and in the future. But they haven't earned anything yet.
History has nothing to do with right now, however RECENT history does? Last year they cleaned up vs the teams in the Champions league minus Salzburg %_% then they also won the final in a close game vs Dortmund? This season like i said they have played vs City twice with a W1 L1 record and that is it no? Dortmund have had half their squad missing and their best striker come in and out of form due to many reasons. Other than that their league has been proven to be a bit slacking compared to other European teams. Another debate of course. But that being said they can prove to the world tonight they are the real deal again and put Arsenal to the cleaners. I hope they do because i like seeing Arsenal lose everything in February :D
The bias is overwhelming in this post.
Bayern completely dominated the CL last year, and they are looking to do the same thing this year. They are unstoppable in the Bundesliga (still undefeated) and they simply look better than every team in the world right now. And that loss against Man City? The game literally meant nothing to Bayern, as it couldn't change seeding or anything. They had already effectively locked up the top spot in their group. Bayern is still the top dog (coming off of 4 trophies in a calendar year), and they have nothing to prove. They are the favorites until someone can actually show us that they shouldn't be, which no one has.
I said this EXACT same thing last season (2012-2013) around November (and people didn't believe me until it happened!); that Bayern looked unstoppable and that I would be seriously shocked if they didn't win the Treble. Guess what? They did, and they did it in an utterly dominant fashion. Seeing the same thing this year. They are effectively guaranteed the Double, and if they didn't get the Treble again, I would be quite shocked.
Last year they lost to BATE Borisov in the group stages away 2-0 they didn't compeltely dominate it, they dominated Barca without Messi and vs a team who had 0 coach because the poor man was really ill. They dominated a very weak Bundesliga, even though they played vs Dortmund who they still have troubles with. They also lost 2-0 at home that season to Arsenal after winning 3-0 in the away leg? They nearly went to extra time if Arsenal scored a 3rd. Also the Man City game meant alot, if Man City scored a 3rd they would of topped the group but silly Pellegrini the silly manager he is thought they needed to win 4-1 and not 3-1 so he didn't "go for it" as much as he should, go look at the posts during the game and the stats to back that up. Favorites for this year, yes i totally agree they are, but again i would not say they are Barcelona level from last 4-5 years (minus 2013) as they still have a lot to prove. Barca won 3 out of 5 champions league winning what 4/5 La Ligas or whatever? Which even that is a tougher league that Bundesliga (personal opinion). We shall we what Bayern do, but they looked vulnerable first half vs Arsenal and vs 10 ofc they were going to dismantle them it is a Pep side vs "specializing in failure Wenger" :D
Pande you are either underestimating Bayern or have unrealistic standards for 'domination'. I mean you can't seriously expect any real world team to not lose a single game all season, and saying they aren't a juggernaut because they lost a single ultimately meaningless game is going too far. This Bayern side combines the best of the beautiful game with merciless speed and coordination. It's like the ultimate form of football and I honestly would not be surprised if they won 3 consecutive trebles.
Yeah i do agree they are awesome i said but i said i don't want them to be called "greatest" or big descriptive powerful words until they have done this for more than just one year. Like i said, get to final of champs league, win the next 3 out of 5 (which their squad age is capable of) then yes. I salute them and they will go down as a great/greatest teams of the era. But like other side who have won the competition, they do disappear and we should be careful with the terms we use for everyone. Like i said the other night, when you watch Barcelona tika taka their way around a side like City you do sit back and think damn, thats pretty impressive. I'd do the same with Bayern when they play top teams. In their league they do not apart from vs Dortmund, which this year has been a let down due to injuries. Other than that all they have had to try in is champions league. They did well vs Arsenal, But at 11vs11 my opinion of it, it was pretty even looking. I always liked being proven wrong though. Remember when i said LOL whys Alaba playing and he went on to be like MVP vs Barca or Arsenal whoever it was xD
Don't forget the reason why football is so great is because their is so many different ways to play this game which gives so many different views. Hey my personal opinion is a win is a win whether you /defend for 89minutes or you have 90% possession, whichever way you do it is so interesting. Reason why i think the best way for England as an international side is to play with big front me who are tall and strong which the other countries are not used to playing against. Makes you unique and gives you different ways of playing. Same goes here, my opinion on greatness is different to what others are. 6months from now we could be talking about another world class team who just won the champions league and their domestic league. Reason i always hold back these terms until they are truly tested :D
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