On February 18 2014 00:09 3point14 wrote: since in the last years we had an Italian, then Spanish, then English, then German Champion; this year a French one?
You really think PSG has what it takes to make it all the way to the final and win? I think they will have pretty hard time against Leverkusen (most likely), and I really don't see them best top teams in the coming rounds should they make it through.
Remember to go to the champions league thread to give it more light :D I don't mind where you discuss it but it post stuff in the thread for kick off times etc
On February 17 2014 01:57 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Sheffield fans keep invading the pitch.
I was at that game and the idiotic South Yorkshire Police that screwed up for the Hillsborough disaster once again showed how incompetent they are. There was one exit for the Forest fans so the police decide to let a bunch of Sheffield United fans down the same street. After how rowdy they were during the game? Idiots. Whoever arranged that should be sacked.
On February 17 2014 10:33 Azza wrote: I did watch it, my opinion is it was soft, don't deny the contact. I'm saying he just lifted his legs up and fell to the floor. He felt the touch and went down, conned the ref. He was not brought down from the tackle, he choose to go down. There is a difference.
Doesnt matter, as a defender you knock your feet into a player in the penalty box from behind. Contact is contact, whether he stays up or down at that point is Suarez's prerogative at that point because that much contact is illegal, and its illegal because it disrupts the attacker. If he stays up he doesnt get a whistle, if he doesnt he gets one; so he goes down.
There is no conning its just the reality of how penalties are won, that is the culture of the sport as it is. If you have a problem with that, thats a seperate debate but both penalty shouts were extremely legitimate. There is no grey, there is no interpretation, they were penalties.
As for the contact being soft, maybe but any amount of contact hard or otherwise can disrupt a player illegally. Maybe the posture and his footing were upset by the tackle, maybe they werent but you make those claims based on replays. The referee has to call the contact, he doesnt have the benefit of anything else. And thats why the rule is as it is.
And the reality is that this sport rewards people for being weak and deceiving the referees. Just because it's the culture of the sport doesn't mean it's right. In fact, it's probably the #1 thing that turns Americans off from it so much.
Americans can get turned of by whatever, I dont think the footballing culture cares about what turns Americans off.
And thats hardly fair to say considering the NBA is rife with a similar activity, it just matters less in the overall context of games.
At the end of the day its the rule. He got clipped even if he doesnt fall it disrupts him, to get a whistle he has to go down. You think refs will call it if he doesnt and just puts his hands up ? No. Fouls dont get called if you dont go down. So you go down simple. Obviously if you dont get disturbed and you fall, thats not going to fly, that is deception. Going down under contact that is disruptive, is not.
And like I said, the fact that players need to go down to get a whistle when they are illegally disturbed is a separate debate and has nothing to do with the fact that those 2 instances were penalties under the laws of the game. Its still a foul whether he smashes his leg to pieces are brushes him so his balance is upset.
Obviously it seems some people can't relate to how infuriating it is as a player to get clipped from behind.
It irks me too when players get fouled, dont go down and dont get calls; but what are you going to do to change that ? Nothing, because you cant, its ingrained in the sport at every level over decades. You can dislike it all you want its not going anywhere.
You clearly don't watch football. Of course you can be given fouls without going to the ground. Plenty of players get contacted and don't go down, it's a physical sport. He played for the penalty, instead of being brought down by the challenge. What are you talking about it's a foul if you are knocked off balance, go watch cricket man.
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On February 17 2014 10:33 Azza wrote: I did watch it, my opinion is it was soft, don't deny the contact. I'm saying he just lifted his legs up and fell to the floor. He felt the touch and went down, conned the ref. He was not brought down from the tackle, he choose to go down. There is a difference.
Doesnt matter, as a defender you knock your feet into a player in the penalty box from behind. Contact is contact, whether he stays up or down at that point is Suarez's prerogative at that point because that much contact is illegal, and its illegal because it disrupts the attacker. If he stays up he doesnt get a whistle, if he doesnt he gets one; so he goes down.
There is no conning its just the reality of how penalties are won, that is the culture of the sport as it is. If you have a problem with that, thats a seperate debate but both penalty shouts were extremely legitimate. There is no grey, there is no interpretation, they were penalties.
As for the contact being soft, maybe but any amount of contact hard or otherwise can disrupt a player illegally. Maybe the posture and his footing were upset by the tackle, maybe they werent but you make those claims based on replays. The referee has to call the contact, he doesnt have the benefit of anything else. And thats why the rule is as it is.
And the reality is that this sport rewards people for being weak and deceiving the referees. Just because it's the culture of the sport doesn't mean it's right. In fact, it's probably the #1 thing that turns Americans off from it so much.
Americans can get turned of by whatever, I dont think the footballing culture cares about what turns Americans off.
And thats hardly fair to say considering the NBA is rife with a similar activity, it just matters less in the overall context of games.
At the end of the day its the rule. He got clipped even if he doesnt fall it disrupts him, to get a whistle he has to go down. You think refs will call it if he doesnt and just puts his hands up ? No. Fouls dont get called if you dont go down. So you go down simple. Obviously if you dont get disturbed and you fall, thats not going to fly, that is deception. Going down under contact that is disruptive, is not.
And like I said, the fact that players need to go down to get a whistle when they are illegally disturbed is a separate debate and has nothing to do with the fact that those 2 instances were penalties under the laws of the game. Its still a foul whether he smashes his leg to pieces are brushes him so his balance is upset.
Obviously it seems some people can't relate to how infuriating it is as a player to get clipped from behind.
It irks me too when players get fouled, dont go down and dont get calls; but what are you going to do to change that ? Nothing, because you cant, its ingrained in the sport at every level over decades. You can dislike it all you want its not going anywhere.
You clearly don't watch football. Of course you can be given fouls without going to the ground. Plenty of players get contacted and don't go down, it's a physical sport. He played for the penalty, instead of being brought down by the challenge. What are you talking about it's a foul if you are knocked off balance, go watch cricket man.
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I'm not even going to bother explaining this any further.
also; theres a cricket thread ;O?
Id make one but Australia are back winning everything so i don't want too ;_; England also shite now
On February 17 2014 10:33 Azza wrote: I did watch it, my opinion is it was soft, don't deny the contact. I'm saying he just lifted his legs up and fell to the floor. He felt the touch and went down, conned the ref. He was not brought down from the tackle, he choose to go down. There is a difference.
Doesnt matter, as a defender you knock your feet into a player in the penalty box from behind. Contact is contact, whether he stays up or down at that point is Suarez's prerogative at that point because that much contact is illegal, and its illegal because it disrupts the attacker. If he stays up he doesnt get a whistle, if he doesnt he gets one; so he goes down.
There is no conning its just the reality of how penalties are won, that is the culture of the sport as it is. If you have a problem with that, thats a seperate debate but both penalty shouts were extremely legitimate. There is no grey, there is no interpretation, they were penalties.
As for the contact being soft, maybe but any amount of contact hard or otherwise can disrupt a player illegally. Maybe the posture and his footing were upset by the tackle, maybe they werent but you make those claims based on replays. The referee has to call the contact, he doesnt have the benefit of anything else. And thats why the rule is as it is.
And the reality is that this sport rewards people for being weak and deceiving the referees. Just because it's the culture of the sport doesn't mean it's right. In fact, it's probably the #1 thing that turns Americans off from it so much.
Americans can get turned of by whatever, I dont think the footballing culture cares about what turns Americans off.
And thats hardly fair to say considering the NBA is rife with a similar activity, it just matters less in the overall context of games.
At the end of the day its the rule. He got clipped even if he doesnt fall it disrupts him, to get a whistle he has to go down. You think refs will call it if he doesnt and just puts his hands up ? No. Fouls dont get called if you dont go down. So you go down simple. Obviously if you dont get disturbed and you fall, thats not going to fly, that is deception. Going down under contact that is disruptive, is not.
And like I said, the fact that players need to go down to get a whistle when they are illegally disturbed is a separate debate and has nothing to do with the fact that those 2 instances were penalties under the laws of the game. Its still a foul whether he smashes his leg to pieces are brushes him so his balance is upset.
Obviously it seems some people can't relate to how infuriating it is as a player to get clipped from behind.
It irks me too when players get fouled, dont go down and dont get calls; but what are you going to do to change that ? Nothing, because you cant, its ingrained in the sport at every level over decades. You can dislike it all you want its not going anywhere.
You clearly don't watch football. Of course you can be given fouls without going to the ground. Plenty of players get contacted and don't go down, it's a physical sport. He played for the penalty, instead of being brought down by the challenge. What are you talking about it's a foul if you are knocked off balance, go watch cricket man.
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I'm not even going to bother explaining this any further.
also; theres a cricket thread ;O?
Id make one but Australia are back winning everything so i don't want too ;_; England also shite now
just a Johnson purple patch it'll go away soon. I hope ..
On February 17 2014 10:33 Azza wrote: I did watch it, my opinion is it was soft, don't deny the contact. I'm saying he just lifted his legs up and fell to the floor. He felt the touch and went down, conned the ref. He was not brought down from the tackle, he choose to go down. There is a difference.
Doesnt matter, as a defender you knock your feet into a player in the penalty box from behind. Contact is contact, whether he stays up or down at that point is Suarez's prerogative at that point because that much contact is illegal, and its illegal because it disrupts the attacker. If he stays up he doesnt get a whistle, if he doesnt he gets one; so he goes down.
There is no conning its just the reality of how penalties are won, that is the culture of the sport as it is. If you have a problem with that, thats a seperate debate but both penalty shouts were extremely legitimate. There is no grey, there is no interpretation, they were penalties.
As for the contact being soft, maybe but any amount of contact hard or otherwise can disrupt a player illegally. Maybe the posture and his footing were upset by the tackle, maybe they werent but you make those claims based on replays. The referee has to call the contact, he doesnt have the benefit of anything else. And thats why the rule is as it is.
And the reality is that this sport rewards people for being weak and deceiving the referees. Just because it's the culture of the sport doesn't mean it's right. In fact, it's probably the #1 thing that turns Americans off from it so much.
Americans can get turned of by whatever, I dont think the footballing culture cares about what turns Americans off.
And thats hardly fair to say considering the NBA is rife with a similar activity, it just matters less in the overall context of games.
At the end of the day its the rule. He got clipped even if he doesnt fall it disrupts him, to get a whistle he has to go down. You think refs will call it if he doesnt and just puts his hands up ? No. Fouls dont get called if you dont go down. So you go down simple. Obviously if you dont get disturbed and you fall, thats not going to fly, that is deception. Going down under contact that is disruptive, is not.
And like I said, the fact that players need to go down to get a whistle when they are illegally disturbed is a separate debate and has nothing to do with the fact that those 2 instances were penalties under the laws of the game. Its still a foul whether he smashes his leg to pieces are brushes him so his balance is upset.
Obviously it seems some people can't relate to how infuriating it is as a player to get clipped from behind.
It irks me too when players get fouled, dont go down and dont get calls; but what are you going to do to change that ? Nothing, because you cant, its ingrained in the sport at every level over decades. You can dislike it all you want its not going anywhere.
You clearly don't watch football. Of course you can be given fouls without going to the ground. Plenty of players get contacted and don't go down, it's a physical sport. He played for the penalty, instead of being brought down by the challenge. What are you talking about it's a foul if you are knocked off balance, go watch cricket man.
User was warned for this post
I'm not even going to bother explaining this any further.
also; theres a cricket thread ;O?
Id make one but Australia are back winning everything so i don't want too ;_; England also shite now
No difference between football in cricket then in that regard.
Ooo that burn RvB, dat burn. Na we used be best cricket team and best rugby team. Now we shit in those two. Our football team always lagging behind...now maybe the tables turned? Footy team going do a Chelsea and win world cup and Rugby and Cricket do shit
On February 18 2014 00:09 3point14 wrote: since in the last years we had an Italian, then Spanish, then English, then German Champion; this year a French one?
You really think PSG has what it takes to make it all the way to the final and win? I think they will have pretty hard time against Leverkusen (most likely), and I really don't see them best top teams in the coming rounds should they make it through.
Although I don't think PSG has any chance to go all the way, Leverkusen is not at its best right now. They lost 5 of the last 7 matches including a defeat vs Kaiserslautern (not even 1. Bundesliga!) in the DFB-Pokal, and in their match vs Schalke (which they lost 1:2 at home) they had like... 13 attempts at a goal, and in the end Schalke had to score ALL THREE of them...
On February 18 2014 05:47 Mensol wrote: I think Pep's Bayern is weaker compared to Jupp's Bayern.
hmm interesting, just to get some perspective why do you feel thats so?
Its pretty much the same squad + additions right ? Or has the style of play made them a weaker team ?
Pep's possesion football made them weaker team. When Jupp was still on Bayern, they were like German Panzers who was ready to roll over opponent.
They have more weaknesses compared to last year. Luckily for Bayern, Walcott is injured because he is one of the best counter attack player in the world.
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