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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-20 23:00:15
February 20 2014 23:00 GMT
#12541
Breaking: MLS has purchased Chivas USA.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28916 Posts
February 21 2014 01:38 GMT
#12542
I think the most amazing thing about that record poster is that Paulino Alcantara apparently scored more than 137 goals in friendly matches?
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 21 2014 03:16 GMT
#12543
MLS is going to bring Chivas USA back.

That’s the message from MLS Commissioner Don Garber, who spoke with the media on a conference call on Thursday afternoon following the league’s acquisition of the Los Angeles-based franchise.

“It’s time to turn to a new chapter here,” Garber said. “That new chapter will start with us finding a new ownership group – we’re pretty good at that. And developing with a stadium plan – we’re pretty good at that, too.”


Garber was adamant, however, that Chivas USA’s plight was not a failure in concept, but a failure of execution.

"There were a wide variety of decisions made both by the league and by ownership that just weren’t right,” the commissioner said. “That was 10 years ago. If we were to do it again, and we launched this exactly as the way it was intended, who knows if in today’s environment, whether it would have been more successful.”

More specifically, Garber laid out the central focus of discussions he had with Vergara and Fuentes regarding Chivas USA prior to the league’s purchasing the club.

"What do you really need to do to turn this around?” Garber asked. “Is the brand right? If it’s not right it needs to be changed. If it needs to be changed, how does that fit with what your originally plan was with extending the Guadalajara brand?

"Number two: We need a soccer stadium that will take massive amounts of capital? Is that what you want to do with your money today? Or are there things that you and your family want to do philanthropically to build Chivas de Guadalajara?


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-21 04:10:46
February 21 2014 04:04 GMT
#12544
On February 21 2014 07:23 Pandemona wrote:
Yeah i do agree they are awesome i said but i said i don't want them to be called "greatest" or big descriptive powerful words until they have done this for more than just one year. Like i said, get to final of champs league, win the next 3 out of 5 (which their squad age is capable of) then yes. I salute them and they will go down as a great/greatest teams of the era. But like other side who have won the competition, they do disappear and we should be careful with the terms we use for everyone.
Like i said the other night, when you watch Barcelona tika taka their way around a side like City you do sit back and think damn, thats pretty impressive. I'd do the same with Bayern when they play top teams. In their league they do not apart from vs Dortmund, which this year has been a let down due to injuries. Other than that all they have had to try in is champions league.
They did well vs Arsenal, But at 11vs11 my opinion of it, it was pretty even looking.
I always liked being proven wrong though.
Remember when i said LOL whys Alaba playing and he went on to be like MVP vs Barca or Arsenal whoever it was xD

Don't forget the reason why football is so great is because their is so many different ways to play this game which gives so many different views. Hey my personal opinion is a win is a win whether you /defend for 89minutes or you have 90% possession, whichever way you do it is so interesting.
Reason why i think the best way for England as an international side is to play with big front me who are tall and strong which the other countries are not used to playing against. Makes you unique and gives you different ways of playing.
Same goes here, my opinion on greatness is different to what others are. 6months from now we could be talking about another world class team who just won the champions league and their domestic league. Reason i always hold back these terms until they are truly tested :D


Dude your going on tangent after tangent, no ones saying bayern is the greatest team or using "big, descrptive powerful words".

All people are pointing out is that Bayern is a dominant team and someone used the word juggernaut which they very well are, or atleast would be in the colloquial understanding of the word the world over. I dont see why your arguing against points no one is raising. To much free time ?

I have never in my life heard anyone take offense to any team ever being referred to a juggernaut because they havent been dominant over a period of 10 years. And really even then its just grammar who gives a shit really we all know what that dude meant to say. Is it really that big a deal ?

Just give Munich credit where its due and be done with it.

Its always the same "blah blah against top teams", "blah blah top teams," "blah blah <insert cherry picked example to make case", blah blah more than one way to play the game.

We get it.

Oh also..

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/feb/20/barcelona-charged-tax-fraud-over-neymar-signing

oh oh
warding
Profile Joined August 2005
Portugal2397 Posts
February 21 2014 17:34 GMT
#12545
I found this headline hilarious, given that his family got many tens of millions out of his transfer to Barcelona:

"Neymar on Real Madrid bid: I won’t sell out for money"
http://www.insidespanishfootball.com/98673/neymar-on-real-madrid-bid-i-wont-sell-out-for-money/
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-21 19:53:36
February 21 2014 19:49 GMT
#12546


Jesus... News says that he signed five years contract with Yanited.

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/26287482
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6343 Posts
February 21 2014 19:59 GMT
#12547
Man, I wonder what it would feel like to make 50p a second. Probably made around 20 pounds writing this post
“What the public criticizes in you, cultivate. It is you.” - Jean Cocteau
3point14
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany890 Posts
February 21 2014 20:21 GMT
#12548
you need to make approximately one Dollar per second from the beginning of your life to the end to aquire one billion Dollars.
#rooneywontbecomeabillionaire
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6326 Posts
February 21 2014 20:26 GMT
#12549
I'd rather get rid of him and buy a couple of good players for that money. They niw have Mata anyways.
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-21 20:36:20
February 21 2014 20:33 GMT
#12550
My new dream is become Wayne Rooney for a week.

£300,000 for a week can change my entire life.



wow that was terrible. 30M for Soldado is a robbery. It looks like there are chairmans who smarter than Levy.
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
Micro_Jackson
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany2002 Posts
February 21 2014 20:42 GMT
#12551
Is it just me or is Rooney a little bit overpayed?
city42
Profile Joined October 2007
1656 Posts
February 21 2014 20:49 GMT
#12552
On February 22 2014 05:33 Mensol wrote:
My new dream is become Wayne Rooney for a week.

£300,000 for a week can change my entire life.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C_fKa8nMMA

wow that was terrible. 30M for Soldado is a robbery. It looks like there are chairmans who smarter than Levy.

How many chairmen turned a club finishing 11th every season (thanks Lord Sugar!) into a perennial top 4 contender without spending any money and with a stadium that holds 36k people? Financially, Spurs have no business competing with Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea, and the Manchester clubs, yet they have finished in the top 4 twice in the last 4 years.

+ Show Spoiler [Net Spend Chart] +

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Levy has made many mistakes but overall he's been very positive for Tottenham. Somehow he's managed to maintain a competitive squad while pouring every iota of profit into the fund for a new training ground and stadium. As a fan it's frustrating to watch our best players leave for Man Utd and Real Madrid every year, but the club's future is very bright thanks to Levy.
wingpawn
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
Poland1342 Posts
February 21 2014 20:59 GMT
#12553
I chuckled a bit over the "Purchased Gross" part. Gross indeed!

People talk so much about the inequalities in La Liga (and rightfully so), but now I see that Premier League is no better. Average 95 million per season by City is particularily ridicuolous. And how great job they do in Everton, considering their balance!
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
February 21 2014 21:09 GMT
#12554
On February 22 2014 05:42 Micro_Jackson wrote:
Is it just me or is Rooney a little bit overpayed?


They have no choice.
Rooney is now the biggest player at Yanited. Imagine if they don't qualify for champions league next year (looks pretty likely this will become a reality). How do you attract players to join the club? Well now with Rooney tied down atleast they can say, well our squad is good enough to fight for top 4 next season if you come and join us (they said to x or y target player). A lot easier to do this with Rooney their. If Rooney leaves what happens? They are left with an injured RVP and Juan Mata, rest of their squad is thin and not good enough as proven.
They had no choice to give him WHATEVER money he wanted, he obviously thought, well im guaranteed a place in England squad, i can get £300,000 a week here playing the game i like to play. I think i'll take it.
Again it comes down to money though, surely if Rooney wanted to be the best player he could be he would of waited until the summer see Yanited not in top 4 then said AGAIN (for 3rd time in his career at yanited) that he wants out and hopefully signs for a Real Madrid/Chelsea where he will be playing in the champions league and competition at the top in the near future not the distant future xD
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Pantagruel
Profile Joined September 2011
United States1427 Posts
February 21 2014 22:05 GMT
#12555
I think its an idiotic deal for United. Its a big club with an incredible history and that isn't going to wash away overnight. People will still want to play at the club, and if they didn't, then Rooney wouldn't change their minds. No other club would come close to matching that absurd salary and United should have let him walk if that is what he demanded. No one is bigger then the club? Not anymore apparently.

This move reeks of desperation by Moyes and United. Maybe they were afraid of what it would look like if they let Rooney walk to Chelsea, but really, they should be more concerned with what it will look like to fail to make champions league for a few seasons in a row. Keeping Rooney won't save them from that fate, but paying him that kind of money might hinder it.

Ultimately I think the best way to describe this piece of business is unnecessary. From a sporting point of view I certainly don't think Rooney is a requirement with Mata on board now. From an image point of view I also think its an overreaction. So what if Rooney walks to Chelsea? I don't think that would stop other prospective players from joining United and this money could have been spent far more effectively to help ensure the team regains the champions league and title aspirations.

Lastly, Rooney hasn't been the picture of loyalty and its just disgusting to see him rewarded with 300g/w salary. Yuck!
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
February 21 2014 22:20 GMT
#12556
On February 22 2014 07:05 Pantagruel wrote:
I think its an idiotic deal for United. Its a big club with an incredible history and that isn't going to wash away overnight. People will still want to play at the club, and if they didn't, then Rooney wouldn't change their minds. No other club would come close to matching that absurd salary and United should have let him walk if that is what he demanded. No one is bigger then the club? Not anymore apparently.

This move reeks of desperation by Moyes and United. Maybe they were afraid of what it would look like if they let Rooney walk to Chelsea, but really, they should be more concerned with what it will look like to fail to make champions league for a few seasons in a row. Keeping Rooney won't save them from that fate, but paying him that kind of money might hinder it.

Ultimately I think the best way to describe this piece of business is unnecessary. From a sporting point of view I certainly don't think Rooney is a requirement with Mata on board now. From an image point of view I also think its an overreaction. So what if Rooney walks to Chelsea? I don't think that would stop other prospective players from joining United and this money could have been spent far more effectively to help ensure the team regains the champions league and title aspirations.

Lastly, Rooney hasn't been the picture of loyalty and its just disgusting to see him rewarded with 300g/w salary. Yuck!


Yeah your 100% right. Like i said and you also agreed Yanited felt like they had no choice but to keep him and thus this was the only way.
But they would of been better telling Chelsea to pay up 35-40million and using that on other players. Instead they left with less money rebuild a broken team as it is.

All fun for everyone who isn't a Yanited fan though :D
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Craze
Profile Joined July 2010
United States561 Posts
February 21 2014 22:37 GMT
#12557
Didn't Rooney's contract run out at the end of the year? So they were looking at paying someone 15.6 million for a year to stay, arguably the best player they could get for that position right now and not rocking the boat OR they could let him go and then spend 30+ million on a transfer fee, and then sign someone to a 10-12 million per year deal in order to come close to replacing him. It's better for the club to keep him there in this case even if they have to splurge on wages a bit.

One a side not: I can't believe how little the best footballers in the world make relative to the best Baseball players in the US. You would think they generate far more revenue in total compared to baseball for their clubs. Maybe there is a study out there I can find.
Pantagruel
Profile Joined September 2011
United States1427 Posts
February 21 2014 22:51 GMT
#12558
On February 22 2014 07:37 Craze wrote:
Didn't Rooney's contract run out at the end of the year? So they were looking at paying someone 15.6 million for a year to stay, arguably the best player they could get for that position right now and not rocking the boat OR they could let him go and then spend 30+ million on a transfer fee, and then sign someone to a 10-12 million per year deal in order to come close to replacing him. It's better for the club to keep him there in this case even if they have to splurge on wages a bit.

One a side not: I can't believe how little the best footballers in the world make relative to the best Baseball players in the US. You would think they generate far more revenue in total compared to baseball for their clubs. Maybe there is a study out there I can find.


The thing is though, they already have a better replacement on their team for Rooney in Mata so he doesn't need to be replaced at all. Better to invest this money in other areas of the squad that desperately need it. This is purely a deal revolving around image and I don't think it was necessary.
Micro_Jackson
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany2002 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-21 23:06:37
February 21 2014 23:03 GMT
#12559
On February 22 2014 06:09 Pandemona wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2014 05:42 Micro_Jackson wrote:
Is it just me or is Rooney a little bit overpayed?


They have no choice.
Rooney is now the biggest player at Yanited. Imagine if they don't qualify for champions league next year (looks pretty likely this will become a reality). How do you attract players to join the club? Well now with Rooney tied down atleast they can say, well our squad is good enough to fight for top 4 next season if you come and join us (they said to x or y target player). A lot easier to do this with Rooney their. If Rooney leaves what happens? They are left with an injured RVP and Juan Mata, rest of their squad is thin and not good enough as proven.
They had no choice to give him WHATEVER money he wanted, he obviously thought, well im guaranteed a place in England squad, i can get £300,000 a week here playing the game i like to play. I think i'll take it.
Again it comes down to money though, surely if Rooney wanted to be the best player he could be he would of waited until the summer see Yanited not in top 4 then said AGAIN (for 3rd time in his career at yanited) that he wants out and hopefully signs for a Real Madrid/Chelsea where he will be playing in the champions league and competition at the top in the near future not the distant future xD


In my opinion it is the wrong way.

The thing is it is the perfect time for ManU to rebuild. Ferguson was an era that will most likely never repeated on that level and you cant just keep going the same way as before.

They aren´t winning anything international anyway even with Rooney. Look at Europe right now you have new kids with big pockets like PSG or ManC, Real that will do anything to get their 10th CL titel with Ronaldo who will not get younger, Barca will have at least one to three more shots with this generation and Bayern could be (some say they are already) the next big thing since Guardiolas (guess whos coaching them now) 2011 Barca.

Why not take one or two seasons "off", get rid of the Ferguson generation and spend this ridicules 15 whatever a year on 5 young, talanted, english players and give them a chance.

And give a coach a chance. I have to admit that i dont watch PL on a regular bases but most of the teams playing awefully at a strategic and tactical level depending almost entirely on physical advantages. Besides Arsenal and ManC (sometimes) i have a hard time watching it compared to Barca, Bayern and Dortmund. I dont want to offend English football but considering the money they spend they are doing awefull international and i think it is mainly the lack of good coaching.
Is there even a ball posession focused team besides Arsenal?
Ysellian
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands9029 Posts
February 21 2014 23:04 GMT
#12560
On February 22 2014 07:37 Craze wrote:
Didn't Rooney's contract run out at the end of the year? So they were looking at paying someone 15.6 million for a year to stay, arguably the best player they could get for that position right now and not rocking the boat OR they could let him go and then spend 30+ million on a transfer fee, and then sign someone to a 10-12 million per year deal in order to come close to replacing him. It's better for the club to keep him there in this case even if they have to splurge on wages a bit.

One a side not: I can't believe how little the best footballers in the world make relative to the best Baseball players in the US. You would think they generate far more revenue in total compared to baseball for their clubs. Maybe there is a study out there I can find.


Isn't that because the US sports don't pay transfer fees, but only make trades or something? Not really sure.
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