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On August 31 2013 06:54 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 06:38 ZapRoffo wrote:
At the end of the game I'd like to give a big shoutout to Comcast and FOX for the fact that I had to watch it on some shitty stream even though I have a premium sports package. Well done Comcast and FOX! American TV providers universally suck ass. Our entire TV/internet provider system is a complete fucking joke. I really don't think you understand the bizarre, ass-backwards, archaic, and just plain idiotic cable/satellite providers that we have here in the states.
I know right, when the coverage in Pakistan is better than Seattle Washington, something is wrong.. then again its not just TV thats retarded here in terms of services so you take what you can get.I know I'm not going to spend an extra 80 bucks a month this year just so I can sneak peaks of midweek games at work.
NBC and Gol are enough for me.
Also whats up with the sour grapes. Every supporter of either club cared about this game, the players certainly did, fans have no right not to. It would to me be disingenuous not to care, but to each his own.
As for the tackle I agree thats not a straight red, its clumsy but it doesnt seem malicious. so its definately a yellow.. second yellow, mmzz difficult.
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Great match. Still it's unsettling to see how much of it's dominance Bayern has lost in the time since Guardiola has taken over. I'm not confident that a system without a second 6er defensive midfield player will ever work out for a non Barcelona team. Barca can pull it of because of their amazing passing skills learned in La Masia. You can't adapt these skills in some months of training if even at all. When Guardiola insists on using a single defensive midfielder Bayern will go out in CL Ro16 or Ro8.
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Bayerns new policy is to pass the opposing team to death. 1st half Bayern had over 200 more passes than Chelsea in MMO terms Bayern FC is a glass cannon.
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it was a hell of game, very entertaining!
GL this year Chelsea, see you in CL final!
ah yeah and nice try 
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To me it was a dark red card. It looked very intentional (what can you expect from a team coached by that belligerent fool) and that's career ending stuff right there. Full weight, full speed. Gotze got very lucky there.
Funny how every brit thinks it's not a red card while every other nationality basically agrees.
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
I thought was right sending off, it wasn't that intentional though. Ramires wanted to go through Gotze wanted to tackle him, he wanted to take the ball which was clearly his to win by the way, but he went through the ball and just destroyed Gotze leg. Right descion to send him off, just unlucky by Ramires. Bundesliga must of gotten soft if it isn't used to physicallaity side of the game anymore (not the Ramires tackle, but the fun with Mandzukic)
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I highly doubt it was intentional, agree with Pande. Ramy is quite clumsy in general, it was reckless.
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Bundesliga isnt soft, premier league is abnormally harsh in terms of fouls. Every other footballer knows that on the island the game is a lot more physical than it is anywhere else.
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Oh thought bundesliga was the same as prem >.>
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well, bundesliga isn't soft, but i doubt in bpl it's allowed to use arms and elbows in the opponents' face in header duels, although i don't watch bpl regularly....
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Awww man that game made my heart skip a beat lol.
I dont know where guardiola wants to go with bayern. What does 70%+ possession help when u cant convert it into good scoring chances?? Theyre just passing it around the opponents box till their defense is settled and after that the only possiblilty is to cross it inside or a distance shot...If you fail youre very vulnarable to counter attacks.
Imo the style bayern played with jupp henyckes was alot better. they destroyed everyone. why would you want to change a winning team like that?
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On August 31 2013 08:58 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Bayerns new policy is to pass the opposing team to death. 1st half Bayern had over 200 more passes than Chelsea in MMO terms Bayern FC is a glass cannon.
I don't see how that makes them a glass cannon. Barcelona with Guardiola was very solid, they won the treble and looked undefeatable at times, and even in the last year when they lost the league that was mostly cause they got too many low scoring draws on the road, and the thinking of the whole era is now colored by one atypical result against Chelsea which they win 9 games out of 10. Barcelona only became a glass cannon last year, after he left. Their goals allowed skyrocketed, and everyone knows the 7-0.
Like Rebs said a few pages back, coming into a team that won the treble and not matching the next season is not indicative of failure, it's expected because it's a ridiculously hard achievement to do even once. Expectations are ridiculously inflated. I mean hell, they drew/won today vs. one of the hardest teams in the world to play against (who they lost to in the final under Heynckes) and created so many more chances than Chelsea. I guess it was a horrible game and they are exposed.
Also on Chelsea--they may not be the most reliable league team because they aren't a machine that consistently produces 3 points day in and day out like Manchester United was last year, but in knockout ball where you just do what it takes to come out on top of the other team, they really are top, top tier, up with any team in the world year in and year out. Beating them in a knockout setting is an achievement for any team in the world.
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On August 31 2013 10:12 ZapRoffo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 08:58 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Bayerns new policy is to pass the opposing team to death. 1st half Bayern had over 200 more passes than Chelsea in MMO terms Bayern FC is a glass cannon. I don't see how that makes them a glass cannon. Barcelona with Guardiola was very solid, they won the treble and looked undefeatable at times, and even in the last year when they lost the league that was mostly cause they got too many low scoring draws on the road, and the thinking of the whole era is now colored by one atypical result against Chelsea which they win 9 games out of 10. Barcelona only became a glass cannon last year, after he left. Their goals allowed skyrocketed, and everyone knows the 7-0. Like Rebs said a few pages back, coming into a team that won the treble and not matching the next season is not indicative of failure, it's expected because it's a ridiculously hard achievement to do even once. Expectations are ridiculously inflated. I mean hell, they drew/won today vs. one of the hardest teams in the world to play against (who they lost to in the final under Heynckes) and created so many more chances than Chelsea. I guess it was a horrible game and they are exposed. Also on Chelsea--they may not be the most reliable league team because they aren't a machine that consistently produces 3 points day in and day out like Manchester United was last year, but in knockout ball where you just do what it takes to come out on top of the other team, they really are top, top tier, up with any team in the world year in and year out. Beating them in a knockout setting is an achievement for any team in the world.
I don't believe Bayern has it's own school system that trains prospects from Pre-K up. Not that I am knocking Pep Guardiola who is a master and calming influence but still...
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Owen : If ribery was a worthy choise? Messi for me.
Huehuehue.
#alltheawardstothegoatpls
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On August 31 2013 09:22 Maxhster wrote:
Bundesliga isnt soft, premier league is abnormally harsh in terms of fouls. Every other footballer knows that on the island the game is a lot more physical than it is anywhere else.
Just ask Arsenal..
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Tottenham's roster looks sick with new transfers. I think they have better roster than Arsenal.
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so confused how spurs got eriksen for 11 million when man utd gets 30 million turned down for a lesser player
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On August 31 2013 09:26 Pandemona wrote:
Oh thought bundesliga was the same as prem >.>
I've watched both extensively and I don't notice any difference between how physical the two leagues are. I just notice how not-physical the Spanish and other European leagues are.
I don't believe Bayern has it's own school system that trains prospects from Pre-K up. Not that I am knocking Pep Guardiola who is a master and calming influence but still...
Actually I think they do. I'm pretty sure (not 100% positive though) that every club in the Bundesliga is required to have a youth academy, and most German players made their way through Bundesliga youth clubs since very young.
I don't see how that makes them a glass cannon. Barcelona with Guardiola was very solid, they won the treble and looked undefeatable at times, and even in the last year when they lost the league that was mostly cause they got too many low scoring draws on the road, and the thinking of the whole era is now colored by one atypical result against Chelsea which they win 9 games out of 10. Barcelona only became a glass cannon last year, after he left. Their goals allowed skyrocketed, and everyone knows the 7-0.
Don't think that Barca has ever been known for being a fantastic defensive team, and defense has always been their one weakness. I think that's what he means by "glass cannon".
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On August 31 2013 13:07 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Don't think that Barca has ever been known for being a fantastic defensive team, and defense has always been their one weakness. I think that's what he means by "glass cannon".
In their prime they were incredibly hard to score against. I remember them having a record of 44-0 (goals) in the Camp Nou in March 2011 (or 2012?) before conceding 2 goals in a game vs Betis.
When your team is so offensive and miss so many chances, of course you're going to be in danger, but they are no "glass cannon". Last year, Bayern was EXCEPTIONAL, and the meaning of this word is that "It doesn't happen every damn year". Last year they had the deadly combination of confidence, hunger and physical dominace that made them superior to everybody. But "confidence" and "hunger" are really volatile qualities for a team, you cannot except them to do the same thing every year, it's just not possible.
Also people seem to forget that we are still in August, these teams aren't supposed to be physically ready yet, and for me that's why Bayern isn't performing really good yet. But from what I've seen yesterday night, they are able to combine Guardiola's system with the qualities they had before and it's really awesome to watch. They clearly are inferior to Barcelona in term of passing quality but they have other aspects in which they are a lot better (long distance shots, size, speed in the midfield).
We also have to realize that playing Guardiola's system is incredibly hard to succeed with if you cannot give 100% every game, because you are the one team required to "create football", whereas the other team will just defend like crazy for 90mn and play the counter attacks like their life depend on it. This year, EVERY team will be waiting for Bayern to play like this, and they will make the game a lot harder than teams in the past that knew that Bayern was more a deadly counter attacking team (with of course the capacity to "create football" but not at the same level).
And once and for all, please stop saying Guardiola is trying to create a new Barça... Guardiola is trying to create a new Pep Team, with his own philosophy. Just look at how Martino is making Barça play and you'll realize that it was not "Barça's strategy" but Guardiola's. Though, I do agree that they should stop kicking corners and free kicks like Barcelona, they definitely have the physical power to score headers without endangering their ball possession and some of their free kicks last night could have been a hell of a lot more dangerous than what they did when they decided they needed to pass the ball 10 times before crossing 
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