i dont understand people defending grosjean, he definitely deserved the penalty. rules say you have to keep 2 wheels on the track (inside the white lines), he exited it with all four.

zere

Germany1287 Posts

July 28 2013 18:44 GMT

#950

On July 29 2013 03:00 WiljushkA wrote:
i dont understand people defending grosjean, he definitely deserved the penalty. rules say you have to keep 2 wheels on the track (inside the white lines), he exited it with all four.

Massa: Grosjean penalty completely wrong

"If he took the penalty because of what he did with me, that's completely wrong," argued Massa. "He didn't go four wheels outside, he went with two wheels."

http://www.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/298403/massa-grosjean-penalty-completely-wrong/

WiljushkA

Serbia1416 Posts

July 28 2013 21:11 GMT

#951

doesn't matter what massa thinks happened, it matters what actually happened.

also grosjean's move on button wasn't too bright either. he overtook him, then tried to push him off the track. considering grosjean's track record, both penalties were valid imo.

qqK

Germany282 Posts

July 28 2013 21:18 GMT

#952

As if Massa saw it better than the stewards - Grosjean left the track and gained an advantage from it, so he has to be penalized.

Aristodemus

England2010 Posts

July 28 2013 23:03 GMT

#953

I think it was harsh, but I do agree that the incident with Button could be penalised. Yes he went off the track but by a few inches as he ran side by side through a corner that is very narrow. It was a shame but by the letter of the law, justified. I thought Massa should have ceded to Rosberg at the start too, he clearly was behind going into the corner and should have known Nico would be going for the apex. If Vettel had punctured Button's tyre then he would have received a penalty too, that was clumsy.

Release

United States4397 Posts

July 29 2013 02:22 GMT

#954

The lotus is a scary fast car right now. Raikkonen was >15 seconds down on the vettel-grosjean battle in the first stint and still came back to beat them. Grosjean stopped early after the grosjean-button crash, took a drive through, and still only 1 pit stop behind the vettel-raikkonen battle at the end.
Maybe red-bull is equally fast because Vettel did have front wing damage, and webber started quite low.

Grosjean was off the track. btw

Pufftrees

2449 Posts

July 29 2013 03:26 GMT

#955

Very happy with Hamilton taking the win... too bad Rosberg had the problem at the end -_-

baldgye

United Kingdom1103 Posts

July 29 2013 21:56 GMT

#956

I think there was a pretty big problem highlighted by the last race, which could have lead to the Grosjean penalty.

If you look at turn 4 and some of the other curbs were the cars would run deep into them, they could almost drive off the track entirely to gain a bit more speed and it looked silly... what is the point in curbs that are simply extensions of the track limits? It's part of the problem with these massive run-off area's, had there been grass there he never would have tried the move and drivers wouldn't be going so deep into turn 4 and others.
My guess is that the reason Grosjean was penalised for his move on Massa was due to the stewards deciding to clam down mid race on anymore moves on that turn to keep the drivers within the limits of the race-track.

His move on Button was a strange thing to ping him for though after the race, they didn't penalised Perez or have him be investigated after the Monaco GP when he did the same thing time and time again but I'm guessing that's mostly due to Grosjean's history.

But was a great race and a great result for Lewis, two amazing moves on Webber and hopefully a car that will allow him to make Vettel work for his 4th DWC!

zere

Germany1287 Posts

July 31 2013 20:56 GMT

#957

Grosjean goes 5cm wide, clearly a 20 second penalty.
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Vettel? Naaw, that's okay.
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baldgye

United Kingdom1103 Posts

July 31 2013 21:19 GMT

#958

Tbf, Roman hasn't exactly been the perfect racing driver now has he... Vettel may have done the same but Roman dsnt really go about helping him self, alot like Lewis in his season of carnage. Though I really wish those run off area's weren't there at all, make them grass or gravel... Lewis's moves were truly special though.

Release

United States4397 Posts

August 01 2013 05:30 GMT

#959

@Zere

Grosjean was only able to overtake massa by leaving the track. He started behind and ended ahead.
Vettel was already ahead of Grosjean, and gaining an advantage by taking a longer path (despite leaving the track) is a grey area in Formula 1. (see 2003 austrian grand prix first corner). And grey areas in formula 1 (such as one line change to defend) typically aren't punished.

Aristodemus

England2010 Posts

August 01 2013 13:26 GMT

#960

He could have made the corner but I believe him when he says he went slightly wider to allow Massa a bit more room to avoid contact. You can see it in his steering. It was harsh on Romain and one of the best moments of the GP, but as Zere points out, why is it fine to go off track defending your position but illegal when overtaking? Also why was he penalised for making contact with Button, when Jenson was also the victim of Vettel doing the same. Neither incident caused damage to the McLaren and both were not Jens' fault. I don't like Grosjean but it all just didn't seem fair to me.