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On May 16 2013 06:15 StarStruck wrote:
I'm going to leave it at this: Spezza is very fortunate to play with great players and lmao at that gif.
Feel free to leave it at that, but Spezza carries our top line. Heatly and Alfie were superstars, yes, but Spezza has continued to put up good numbers without them. How you can try to say with a straight face that Spezza is 'lucky' to play such top line talent as Colin Greening and Milan Michalek is beyond me. Ottawa was 4th in goals for last year, 27th this year, and a huuuge part of that is Spezza only playing 5 games.
The gif is great though. Cheering for the Leafs... you know nothing, Jon Snow.
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yeah i really dont see who the great players are. Alfredsson is past him prime. he's been a secondary scorer for at least 2 years now. last year was the first time in a long time that michalek looked like the sniper he was in sj. those two are the only ones that approach great, and good capable players is about as far as id put it
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On May 16 2013 08:50 QuanticHawk wrote:
yeah i really dont see who the great players are. Alfredsson is past him prime. he's been a secondary scorer for at least 2 years now. last year was the first time in a long time that michalek looked like the sniper he was in sj. those two are the only ones that approach great, and good capable players is about as far as id put it
I was grouping them as a whole and that's why I said great instead of goodofc he's past his prime. He's 40 for crying out, but that says a lot about him when he can still go strong like Selanne & Jagr. Spez got a chance to play with Heatley and Alfie in their prime; whereas, many star players never get the chance to play on a line like that. The Sens had a ridiculously good regular season last year. I call it a bit of a fluke because everyone was firing on all cylinders & the chemistry was there. I'm not the only one who thinks the Spezza is overrated. Heck, even when the Sens were making that fantastic run he was still trying to silence a lot of his critics. Even in Ottawa and there's a lot of people who think that way.
On May 16 2013 08:20 Critter wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 06:15 StarStruck wrote:
I'm going to leave it at this: Spezza is very fortunate to play with great players and lmao at that gif. Feel free to leave it at that, but Spezza carries our top line. Heatly and Alfie were superstars, yes, but Spezza has continued to put up good numbers without them. How you can try to say with a straight face that Spezza is 'lucky' to play such top line talent as Colin Greening and Milan Michalek is beyond me. Ottawa was 4th in goals for last year, 27th this year, and a huuuge part of that is Spezza only playing 5 games.
They had a lucky year and last I checked that wasn't the only guy who was out.
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Ok, I think I understand now. When he puts up good numbers with great players, he's getting carried. When he puts up good numbers with no one, he's getting lucky. The guy is a great player who makes his linemates better and is *still* putting up points at around a point per game pace, and like you just said he still gets a bunch of hate. That's sounds like the definition of an underrated player to me...
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On May 16 2013 09:29 Critter wrote:
Ok, I think I understand now. When he puts up good numbers with great players, he's getting carried. When he puts up good numbers with no one, he's getting lucky. The guy is a great player who makes his linemates better and is *still* putting up points at around a point per game pace, and like you just said he still gets a bunch of hate. That's sounds like the definition of an underrated player to me...
More like great numbers with great players and good numbers with good players but enough of the stupid generalizations. The criticism he receives came from everywhere. I lived in Ottawa for a long time and his game would constantly be discussed. Nope, a lot of people call him overrated.
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Point per game isn't great? The past 6 full regular seasons a point per game would get you top 20 in the league in scoring. 53 players in history have averaged a point per game over their career. All this and he gets no respect. 5 active players have better ppg production than he does. Crosby, Ovechkin, Malkin, Jagr, Selanne. He's consistently putting up points, winning faceoffs, and making his team significantly better. You said it yourself, he receives criticism from everywhere. How can he possibly be overrated if that's the case?
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CBC guys are making me mute again. "You must be quick when you win the draw...because someone will be there if you arent" jesus christ.
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Honestly my expectations weren't that high for tonight. Jimmy standing on his head most of the game is a good sign for us the rest of the way though. Traveling through every time zone in a 7 game series is a massive disadvantage, hopefully we get the rest we need for Saturday. Go Red Wings!
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On May 16 2013 11:47 Emzeeshady wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 11:29 Wingblade wrote:
Honestly my expectations weren't that high for tonight. Jimmy standing on his head most of the game is a good sign for us the rest of the way though. Traveling through every time zone in a 7 game series is a massive disadvantage, hopefully we get the rest we need for Saturday. Go Red Wings! I am curious, is your name like a Red Wing/ Protoss thing? Anyway Chicago looking unreal tonight. I think they may break the president's trophy curse unless the Kings or Sharks can stop them. The wings simply don't have what it takes to take out Chicago.
4 competent defensemen? Yes, Ken Holland made sure of that.
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red wings gonna have to play a lot better offensively in order to win this series. I picked the hawks in 6. probably will be less if the wings don't pick it up. Howard looked good, but the offense tapered off in the second and third periods
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On May 16 2013 11:47 Emzeeshady wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 11:29 Wingblade wrote:
Honestly my expectations weren't that high for tonight. Jimmy standing on his head most of the game is a good sign for us the rest of the way though. Traveling through every time zone in a 7 game series is a massive disadvantage, hopefully we get the rest we need for Saturday. Go Red Wings! I am curious, is your name like a Red Wing/ Protoss thing? Anyway Chicago looking unreal tonight. I think they may break the president's trophy curse unless the Kings or Sharks can stop them. The wings simply don't have what it takes to take out Chicago.
Hehehehe it is in fact! Keep in mind the Hawks and Red Wings went to OT 3 times, and the Wings should have won 2 of them if not for stupid Delay of Game penalties late(if we commit one of those in this series I'm going to run over a baby deer with my soccer mom van.) Familiarity is one of the best factors to balance a series. People said we couldn't take out Anaheim after losing the first game. This series has a long way to go.
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On May 16 2013 11:49 Sub40APM wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 11:47 Emzeeshady wrote:On May 16 2013 11:29 Wingblade wrote:
Honestly my expectations weren't that high for tonight. Jimmy standing on his head most of the game is a good sign for us the rest of the way though. Traveling through every time zone in a 7 game series is a massive disadvantage, hopefully we get the rest we need for Saturday. Go Red Wings! I am curious, is your name like a Red Wing/ Protoss thing? Anyway Chicago looking unreal tonight. I think they may break the president's trophy curse unless the Kings or Sharks can stop them. The wings simply don't have what it takes to take out Chicago. 4 competent defensemen? Yes, Ken Holland made sure of that.
Kind of ridiculous to throw the guy whos helped get the Red Wings to the playoffs every year since he got there under the bus isn't it? I could understand your frustration with someone else, but in 19 years that he's been in Detroit, the Red Wings have been in the playoffs(source: Wikipedia).
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On May 16 2013 14:35 Wingblade wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 11:49 Sub40APM wrote:On May 16 2013 11:47 Emzeeshady wrote:On May 16 2013 11:29 Wingblade wrote:
Honestly my expectations weren't that high for tonight. Jimmy standing on his head most of the game is a good sign for us the rest of the way though. Traveling through every time zone in a 7 game series is a massive disadvantage, hopefully we get the rest we need for Saturday. Go Red Wings! I am curious, is your name like a Red Wing/ Protoss thing? Anyway Chicago looking unreal tonight. I think they may break the president's trophy curse unless the Kings or Sharks can stop them. The wings simply don't have what it takes to take out Chicago. 4 competent defensemen? Yes, Ken Holland made sure of that. Kind of ridiculous to throw the guy whos helped get the Red Wings to the playoffs every year since he got there under the bus isn't it? I could understand your frustration with someone else, but in 19 years that he's been in Detroit, the Red Wings have been in the playoffs(source: Wikipedia).
I definitely don't think everyone is saying fire him, but playoffs or not, the team has been bleeding talent for a couple of years now and it sure seems like the younger players they got arent 100% ready to step in yet. There wasnt gonna be another lidstrom type player stepping in anytime soon, but his replacements have sucked. most of the players he has brought in have been older and not high end. it is valid criticism
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On May 16 2013 09:05 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 08:50 QuanticHawk wrote:
yeah i really dont see who the great players are. Alfredsson is past him prime. he's been a secondary scorer for at least 2 years now. last year was the first time in a long time that michalek looked like the sniper he was in sj. those two are the only ones that approach great, and good capable players is about as far as id put it I was grouping them as a whole and that's why I said great instead of goodofc he's past his prime. He's 40 for crying out, but that says a lot about him when he can still go strong like Selanne & Jagr. Spez got a chance to play with Heatley and Alfie in their prime; whereas, many star players never get the chance to play on a line like that. The Sens had a ridiculously good regular season last year. I call it a bit of a fluke because everyone was firing on all cylinders & the chemistry was there. I'm not the only one who thinks the Spezza is overrated. Heck, even when the Sens were making that fantastic run he was still trying to silence a lot of his critics. Even in Ottawa and there's a lot of people who think that way. Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 08:20 Critter wrote:On May 16 2013 06:15 StarStruck wrote:
I'm going to leave it at this: Spezza is very fortunate to play with great players and lmao at that gif. Feel free to leave it at that, but Spezza carries our top line. Heatly and Alfie were superstars, yes, but Spezza has continued to put up good numbers without them. How you can try to say with a straight face that Spezza is 'lucky' to play such top line talent as Colin Greening and Milan Michalek is beyond me. Ottawa was 4th in goals for last year, 27th this year, and a huuuge part of that is Spezza only playing 5 games. They had a lucky year and last I checked that wasn't the only guy who was out.
Yeah it does alfrie is clearly a stud for being able to go for so long but he really is not a top line player anymore and hasnt beeen for the past couple of years.
back when he was with heater and alfie, I would agree with the overrated thing because I always thought he was a good player playing with greats. he's been doing it on his own for a bit now.
also, the sens had three of their top players out for most of this year and were playing a ton of rookies and still were pretty damn good. last year i thought they were lucky, esp anderson. this year, im pretty convinced theyre a really good team.
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On May 16 2013 20:44 QuanticHawk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 14:35 Wingblade wrote:On May 16 2013 11:49 Sub40APM wrote:On May 16 2013 11:47 Emzeeshady wrote:On May 16 2013 11:29 Wingblade wrote:
Honestly my expectations weren't that high for tonight. Jimmy standing on his head most of the game is a good sign for us the rest of the way though. Traveling through every time zone in a 7 game series is a massive disadvantage, hopefully we get the rest we need for Saturday. Go Red Wings! I am curious, is your name like a Red Wing/ Protoss thing? Anyway Chicago looking unreal tonight. I think they may break the president's trophy curse unless the Kings or Sharks can stop them. The wings simply don't have what it takes to take out Chicago. 4 competent defensemen? Yes, Ken Holland made sure of that. Kind of ridiculous to throw the guy whos helped get the Red Wings to the playoffs every year since he got there under the bus isn't it? I could understand your frustration with someone else, but in 19 years that he's been in Detroit, the Red Wings have been in the playoffs(source: Wikipedia). I definitely don't think everyone is saying fire him, but playoffs or not, the team has been bleeding talent for a couple of years now and it sure seems like the younger players they got arent 100% ready to step in yet. There wasnt gonna be another lidstrom type player stepping in anytime soon, but his replacements have sucked. most of the players he has brought in have been older and not high end. it is valid criticism
Considering that Detroit has competed the for cup for many consecutive years, you can't expect the team to be back in the hunt just one year after the Lidstrom retirement. Datsyuk and Zetterberg aren't getting any younger, and the Wings drafted no high-end talent. They have some decent free-agent rookie signings that could be solid contributors. Look at the Flyers, who were certainly more active in dismantling the team, but even with talent, it takes time for a new team to coalesce. Give Holland time, In no way does he deserve to be fired.
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well no i dont expect that nor am i saying he deserves to be fired. He just deserves some criticism for knowing he had an aging stud for many years but didnt start really planning for it until right before it was gonna happen. ditto for the talent elsewhere. the wings youth has potential, but they all strike me as at least 2-3 years away from being top 6 or top 4 contributors.
basically, theyve got a good but older core in z, dats, kronwall, and then howard in net. but it just seems that by not planning ahead a little earlier, he's wasting the peak years of hte first three there because they're playing with a mix of past their prime players, a couple ok grinders and a bunch of green aroun the gills kids
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On May 16 2013 23:18 QuanticHawk wrote:
well no i dont expect that nor am i saying he deserves to be fired. He just deserves some criticism for knowing he had an aging stud for many years but didnt start really planning for it until right before it was gonna happen. ditto for the talent elsewhere. the wings youth has potential, but they all strike me as at least 2-3 years away from being top 6 or top 4 contributors.
basically, theyve got a good but older core in z, dats, kronwall, and then howard in net. but it just seems that by not planning ahead a little earlier, he's wasting the peak years of hte first three there because they're playing with a mix of past their prime players, a couple ok grinders and a bunch of green aroun the gills kids
It's pretty difficult to compete as well as plan ahead in the NHL because of the draft/salary cap. He did get Quincey (didn't work out), went hard after Justin Schultz, was close to getting Bouwmeester IIRC, picked up DeKeyser, and has several short-term contracts for the Dmen. While Filppula and Franzen aren't quite world beaters, they are solid contributors. I think your expectations are far too high in a league where you can go from cup team to out of the playoffs in two years. The Red Wings are blessed to have two top-25 forwards, a decent goalie, and some young parts in what is essentially a transition year. When you consistently draft late in the first round, it is quite difficult to replace talent. I think he could have done a bit more to try to find a number one defenseman - or perhaps a good #2 - but they don't come cheap, and are rarer than a top-line center. The only real way to get a number one defenseman is to significantly overpay for a free agent, or to have a top-5 draft pick.
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On May 16 2013 14:29 Wingblade wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 11:47 Emzeeshady wrote:On May 16 2013 11:29 Wingblade wrote:
Honestly my expectations weren't that high for tonight. Jimmy standing on his head most of the game is a good sign for us the rest of the way though. Traveling through every time zone in a 7 game series is a massive disadvantage, hopefully we get the rest we need for Saturday. Go Red Wings! I am curious, is your name like a Red Wing/ Protoss thing? Anyway Chicago looking unreal tonight. I think they may break the president's trophy curse unless the Kings or Sharks can stop them. The wings simply don't have what it takes to take out Chicago. Hehehehe it is in fact! Keep in mind the Hawks and Red Wings went to OT 3 times, and the Wings should have won 2 of them if not for stupid Delay of Game penalties late(if we commit one of those in this series I'm going to run over a baby deer with my soccer mom van.) Familiarity is one of the best factors to balance a series. People said we couldn't take out Anaheim after losing the first game. This series has a long way to go.
The series has a long way to go, but the Wings really looked tired. The first period was close but the 2nd and 3rd were all Hawks all the time. If Howard hadn't have played as brilliantly and Seabrook didn't preform grand theft this game could have been something like 8-2. There's a big difference is that the Hawks will punish defensive mistakes a lot harder than the Duck did. To me it looked like the Wings looked tired and the Hawks just looked plain better especially after the first and it showed with the massive amount in take/giveaways disparity
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On May 16 2013 23:30 sharkeyanti wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 23:18 QuanticHawk wrote:
well no i dont expect that nor am i saying he deserves to be fired. He just deserves some criticism for knowing he had an aging stud for many years but didnt start really planning for it until right before it was gonna happen. ditto for the talent elsewhere. the wings youth has potential, but they all strike me as at least 2-3 years away from being top 6 or top 4 contributors.
basically, theyve got a good but older core in z, dats, kronwall, and then howard in net. but it just seems that by not planning ahead a little earlier, he's wasting the peak years of hte first three there because they're playing with a mix of past their prime players, a couple ok grinders and a bunch of green aroun the gills kids It's pretty difficult to compete as well as plan ahead in the NHL because of the draft/salary cap. He did get Quincey (didn't work out), went hard after Justin Schultz, was close to getting Bouwmeester IIRC, picked up DeKeyser, and has several short-term contracts for the Dmen. While Filppula and Franzen aren't quite world beaters, they are solid contributors. I think your expectations are far too high in a league where you can go from cup team to out of the playoffs in two years. The Red Wings are blessed to have two top-25 forwards, a decent goalie, and some young parts in what is essentially a transition year. When you consistently draft late in the first round, it is quite difficult to replace talent. I think he could have done a bit more to try to find a number one defenseman - or perhaps a good #2 - but they don't come cheap, and are rarer than a top-line center. The only real way to get a number one defenseman is to significantly overpay for a free agent, or to have a top-5 draft pick.
I didn't mean that he didn't try to address the issues. He did. He just kinda whiffedl ike you said.
But at any rate,it's not like they're dead or anyting. They just could be in a transition period for a year or two. It remains to be seen whether they get out of it, or they pull a classic Toronto and good enough to get 9th, but not bad enough to get a lottery pick
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