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Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
June 07 2013 11:53 GMT
#1581
Obviously we shouldn't follow dogma, and hip-drive (hip drahve) is not "the way" just because Rippetoe says so, but if you want to challenge his methods you need to have strong data backing you up. Dunno who that guy is, but I'd be much more inclined to listen to a renowned strength coach with a track record than some young buck with a youtube vid.
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20155 Posts
June 07 2013 12:05 GMT
#1582
Haha if you want to see somewhere rip doesn't have a great track record check out the pendlay oly forums. Rip has said some ignorant things..
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
June 07 2013 12:55 GMT
#1583
Well he is a pretty old dog so I would almost expect him to have at least some outdated ideas, I'm just saying experience counts :p

This comes to mind
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20155 Posts
June 07 2013 13:48 GMT
#1584
On June 07 2013 21:55 Osmoses wrote:
Well he is a pretty old dog so I would almost expect him to have at least some outdated ideas, I'm just saying experience counts :p

This comes to mind


You are right to be wary. There is much bullshit. Be wary of me too, because I may be wrong. Make up your own mind after you evaluate all the evidence and the logic.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
June 07 2013 16:30 GMT
#1585

Half an hour in so far figure TLHF would be interested too.
Arisen
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States2382 Posts
June 08 2013 18:19 GMT
#1586
Heading back to the gym tonight.

Is there anyway to relieve some of the pain you feel in the days after a workout to the effected muscles?

Right now I have a lot of tightness in both my quads and the muscle on the inside of the top of the forearm (don't know the name). I gave myself complete rest yesterday (except for work, but i'm a chef so it's more just moving around the kitchen a lot, not lifing or putting a lot of strain on anything).

It seems like having to do squats tonight will be brutal, it hurts to flex my legs very much at all right now, hopefully the feeling abates through the day.
"If you're not angry, you're not paying attention"
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
June 08 2013 18:41 GMT
#1587
Not much you can do about DOMS but keep working out and it will go away in a few days. If things feel tight I highly recommend foam rolling. Even if things don't feel tight actually.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
June 08 2013 20:21 GMT
#1588
I don't even understand what you guys mean by hip drive or that other non sense
Get tight, squat down, get up.
Also, I don't uderstand why would you take advice from a guy who looks like his spent more time recording videos than doing actual lifting.

For DOMS sleep more and eat more. After a few weeks of lifting every day DOMS just dissapears.
funkie
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Venezuela9376 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-08 21:37:07
June 08 2013 21:28 GMT
#1589
On June 09 2013 05:21 GoTuNk! wrote:
I don't even understand what you guys mean by hip drive or that other non sense
Get tight, squat down, get up.
Also, I don't uderstand why would you take advice from a guy who looks like his spent more time recording videos than doing actual lifting.

For DOMS sleep more and eat more. After a few weeks of lifting every day DOMS just dissapears.


Milks and eggs bitch.

Hip drive is the basic concept of Rippetoe of letting the hip (and therefore the ass) be the control point of the lift. You unlock and lock your hips, keep your chest up and always try to get up in that same position. =P

Hip Drive bitch.

<3
Raul.

Edit: Commenting on the knowledgeness of Rippetoe or not, I'd say that even if he says some ignorant things sometimes, I'd rather follow his advice for starters and as he says, make up my damn mind while on the way.

Fuck you life, I'm the baws. (I can squat over 400lbs!)

Edit2: I remember reading this a while ago (well, back when I started SS, and this changed my life).
There is simply no other exercise, and certainly no machine, that produces the level of central nervous system activity, improved balance and coordination, skeletal loading and bone density enhancement, muscular stimulation and growth, connective tissue stress and strength, psychological demand and toughness, and overall systemic conditioning than the correctly performed full squat.
CJ Entusman #6! · Strength is the basis of athletic ability. -Rippetoe /* http://j.mp/TL-App <- TL iPhone App 2.0! */
Arisen
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States2382 Posts
June 09 2013 06:20 GMT
#1590
I tried rotatating my feet about 30 degrees or so out and widening my stance a bit and I can definitely keep my feet flat now durring the squat when I focus on it. My legs are about shoulder width or maybe a hair wider and once again about 30 degrees outward. Is this decent foot placement? I tried some with my feet straight, but I just could not for the life of me not raise my heel.


I was going to take a video of my technique for you guys to look at tonight, but I ran out of storage room on my iphone so I couldn't shoot the video :/. I'll see if I can't clear up some space and try again my next day in the gym.

I'm not happy about not being in the gym every day because I'd like to get more exercise in my life, but I guess if it's necessary it's what I have to do. noticing pretty decent gains everywhere but bench (I did 1x5 the first workout, now that I'm doing 3x5 instead I couldn't up my weight, but I felt I got a good workout doing 3x5 with the previous weight).
"If you're not angry, you're not paying attention"
KaoReal
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada340 Posts
June 09 2013 08:32 GMT
#1591
On June 09 2013 15:20 Arisen wrote:
I tried rotatating my feet about 30 degrees or so out and widening my stance a bit and I can definitely keep my feet flat now durring the squat when I focus on it. My legs are about shoulder width or maybe a hair wider and once again about 30 degrees outward. Is this decent foot placement? I tried some with my feet straight, but I just could not for the life of me not raise my heel.


I was going to take a video of my technique for you guys to look at tonight, but I ran out of storage room on my iphone so I couldn't shoot the video :/. I'll see if I can't clear up some space and try again my next day in the gym.

I'm not happy about not being in the gym every day because I'd like to get more exercise in my life, but I guess if it's necessary it's what I have to do. noticing pretty decent gains everywhere but bench (I did 1x5 the first workout, now that I'm doing 3x5 instead I couldn't up my weight, but I felt I got a good workout doing 3x5 with the previous weight).


I'd see if you can go a bit wider in stance to reduce the outward angle of your feet. I thought I was unable to squat ATG for most of my life because of short Achilles tendons, so my heels were lifting. After widening my stance, keeping my feet no more than 15 degrees outward, and focusing on keeping my shins vertical in the profile plane while pushing my knees out, I found I can do ATG squats quite comfortably.
Life can only be understood backwards, but must be lived forward
Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
June 09 2013 09:17 GMT
#1592
On June 09 2013 05:21 GoTuNk! wrote:
I don't even understand what you guys mean by hip drive or that other non sense

Hip drive? Wtf are you on? We're talkin hip draahve.
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
BeMannerDuPenner
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Germany5638 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-09 22:09:51
June 09 2013 22:05 GMT
#1593
On June 09 2013 17:32 KaoReal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2013 15:20 Arisen wrote:
I tried rotatating my feet about 30 degrees or so out and widening my stance a bit and I can definitely keep my feet flat now durring the squat when I focus on it. My legs are about shoulder width or maybe a hair wider and once again about 30 degrees outward. Is this decent foot placement? I tried some with my feet straight, but I just could not for the life of me not raise my heel.


I was going to take a video of my technique for you guys to look at tonight, but I ran out of storage room on my iphone so I couldn't shoot the video :/. I'll see if I can't clear up some space and try again my next day in the gym.

I'm not happy about not being in the gym every day because I'd like to get more exercise in my life, but I guess if it's necessary it's what I have to do. noticing pretty decent gains everywhere but bench (I did 1x5 the first workout, now that I'm doing 3x5 instead I couldn't up my weight, but I felt I got a good workout doing 3x5 with the previous weight).


I'd see if you can go a bit wider in stance to reduce the outward angle of your feet. I thought I was unable to squat ATG for most of my life because of short Achilles tendons, so my heels were lifting. After widening my stance, keeping my feet no more than 15 degrees outward, and focusing on keeping my shins vertical in the profile plane while pushing my knees out, I found I can do ATG squats quite comfortably.



mmhh guess i need to try more things in the future.squat keeps beeing my weakpoint and after multiple issues over the last months there is now one that didnt just go away like the others which made me stall hardcore on the squat.

whenever i squat after some time i get a pretty nasty pain right next to my groin on the upper left thigh area. its ONLY when i squat. im increasing my deadlift somewhat steady (at 100kg now) without any issues but i have huge problems finishish a 65kg 5x5 atm (and i was up to 70kg 2 weeks ago) just because it starts to hurt and feel unstable overall.

trying to get a nonsupershitty video for formcheck.

also i noticed that my ankles are really shitty, my knees just wont go more forward over my feet which seems to fuck up the whole squat (a did most of my squatting with a quite wide stance to keep balance)

i could break through some stalls on bench(70),ohp(45) and dl recently but my squat actually went down cause of that so ya.. i really need a fix for that
life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery
Garbels
Profile Joined July 2010
Austria653 Posts
June 10 2013 00:39 GMT
#1594
Missed two workout days this week. Last missed day was 14 weeks ago. Looking forward to adding a few more weeks this time !
Levythenobz
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada42 Posts
June 10 2013 01:38 GMT
#1595
When Rip is asked:
"If you had to choose between wearing no shoes or running shoes to lift in which would you pick?"

Rip's response: "That is like asking me to choose between stabbing myself in the eye with a fork or burning the roof of my mouth with extremely hot pizza. Can't we just avoid both?"

Can someone explain to me why training with no shoes is bad?
Arisen
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States2382 Posts
June 10 2013 11:11 GMT
#1596
My routine is going great. I'm halfway to my goal weight and those beginner gains are a real confidence booster.

So, I want to add some more activities to my life that are physically oriented, and one thing that I've always wanted to pick up was a martial art of some sort. I'm a big MMA fan, and I think a well rounded male should know how to defend himself anyway.

When do you think you are ready for training in a martial art fitness wise? What are some benchmarks you should be able to hit before you waste your time doing classes? Obviously you can sign up for classes, but I mean when will I get the most out of it (for example, an overweight guy CAN take up rock climbing, but to get the most out of it you need to have your weight under control and need a decent amount of strength such that you can lift your self up a wall).

Also, which martial arts are good for beginners or are just great for staying in shape? Like I said I'm a fan of MMA, and I have my favorite styles, but some things are so technical (capoeira for example) or just weird/brutal (muy thai for example) that they're probably not practical for a beginner.

Any recommendations? I'm eager to use some of the freedom my new body has brought me, but I don't want to waste my time if I'm not going to be able to physically keep up yet.
"If you're not angry, you're not paying attention"
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20155 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-10 13:50:23
June 10 2013 13:49 GMT
#1597
On June 10 2013 20:11 Arisen wrote:
My routine is going great. I'm halfway to my goal weight and those beginner gains are a real confidence booster.

So, I want to add some more activities to my life that are physically oriented, and one thing that I've always wanted to pick up was a martial art of some sort. I'm a big MMA fan, and I think a well rounded male should know how to defend himself anyway.

When do you think you are ready for training in a martial art fitness wise? What are some benchmarks you should be able to hit before you waste your time doing classes? Obviously you can sign up for classes, but I mean when will I get the most out of it (for example, an overweight guy CAN take up rock climbing, but to get the most out of it you need to have your weight under control and need a decent amount of strength such that you can lift your self up a wall).

Also, which martial arts are good for beginners or are just great for staying in shape? Like I said I'm a fan of MMA, and I have my favorite styles, but some things are so technical (capoeira for example) or just weird/brutal (muy thai for example) that they're probably not practical for a beginner.

Any recommendations? I'm eager to use some of the freedom my new body has brought me, but I don't want to waste my time if I'm not going to be able to physically keep up yet.


You should start as soon as possible with whatever you want to do. Technique is such an important part of martial arts you want to learn it as soon as possible regardless of your body. Try out a couple of the forms (i love judo/jiu jitsu) and see what you like, MMA gyms usually have 1-2 hour classes of different style so you can try out a few and see what you want to focus on.

On June 10 2013 10:38 Levythenobz wrote:
When Rip is asked:
"If you had to choose between wearing no shoes or running shoes to lift in which would you pick?"

Rip's response: "That is like asking me to choose between stabbing myself in the eye with a fork or burning the roof of my mouth with extremely hot pizza. Can't we just avoid both?"

Can someone explain to me why training with no shoes is bad?


Honestly I dont really see the issue with it. I've done heavy snatches barefoot with no issues, squats and deadlifts are np.
+ Show Spoiler [barefoot snatching :D] +

how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
sc4k
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United Kingdom5454 Posts
June 10 2013 14:05 GMT
#1598
Personally I think the very best two are boxing and wrestling. There's less focus on techniques and more on just grinding effort. Both are incredibly exhausting and both will make you confident enough of yourself.

In terms of defending yourself, although the only sane course of action most of the time is to retreat/ pacify the person, boxing is the martial art where you get the most practice at being hit in the face, which believe it or not is something that's vitally important if you want to be able to remain cool and calm when shit hits the fan. Wrestling is the most useful martial art when concerned with neutralising someone and making a citizen's arrest.
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20155 Posts
June 10 2013 14:18 GMT
#1599
On June 10 2013 23:05 sc4k wrote:
Personally I think the very best two are boxing and wrestling. There's less focus on techniques and more on just grinding effort. Both are incredibly exhausting and both will make you confident enough of yourself.

In terms of defending yourself, although the only sane course of action most of the time is to retreat/ pacify the person, boxing is the martial art where you get the most practice at being hit in the face, which believe it or not is something that's vitally important if you want to be able to remain cool and calm when shit hits the fan. Wrestling is the most useful martial art when concerned with neutralising someone and making a citizen's arrest.


You usually dont notice the pain when you're actually in a fight. I'd say some combination of jui jitsu/wrestling is the most useful in a one on one fight as every fight ends up on the ground. I'd give an edge to kickboxing/muay thai as you learn to use your legs as well over boxing to be more practical in a one on multiple people fight as obviously you dont have time to submit each person individually.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
sc4k
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United Kingdom5454 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-10 14:37:31
June 10 2013 14:35 GMT
#1600
The thing about kickboxing and muay thai is that you don't actually get very much proper fighting experience as it's too easy to damage each other (that's another drawback to those sports - you get injured quicker). Also, kicking in general is not so great in most situations. Keeping your feet firm on the ground is better. But they are good exercise and kicking is a tiring thing to do. I don't recall any of those three being any more tiring than the other, personally. If you really felt like you had to defend yourself and couldn't wrestle, some rudimentary boxing would be the most sensible approach I think, like this:

+ Show Spoiler +




I find wrestling better than JJ especially for exercise because JJ has a larger injury risk (more joint extension etc) and is more concerned with technique, which is zero exercise when it's being taught and practiced. Also, in general, JJ surely is less helpful in the street (although I hate these kinds of discussions) because it's so situational and also putting yourself on your back intentionally would be pretty risky on a concrete pavement etc.

I've had a go at every martial art mentioned here for > 1 year as well as karate and I definitely found boxing/wrestling to be the most straightforward, exercise-based and least-likely-to-injure-yourself ones...but that's just my opinion.
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