TL Health and Fitness Initiative 2013 - Page 38

I can't help myself from addressing your points though; I tried but I couldn't let such blatant rubbish stand as fact. It's not a personal attack, it's just that the vast majority of people not only don't care enough to find out about these things but even when they do, they're so resistant to change and so resistant to ideas that counter their traditions that it's a really uphill battle, even for basic understanding.

Just because "animals eat other animals" is true has no bearing on the ethics of farming. I'd add that the fact that animals kill each other all the time has absolutely nothing to do with veganism; it's foolish to imagine that all suffering could be ended in humans, let alone animals so it's widely understood that nature must run it's course. Some people just prefer not to subject farm animals to what they feel to be an artificial suffering. Honestly, people can argue ethics of particular activities for decades and never come to a conclusion because of an inescapable subjective element to ethical arguments.

You should probably have read the article you posted because it does not reinforce your point at all. It outlines various reasons why animals suffer to conventional field farming but the conclusion states quite clearly that not only is more research needed; but that the superior alternatives to the current diet models are practically unachieveable and mostly vegan anyway. I would also add that it is not the eventual death of the animal that concerns me, such is life; instead I am interested in preventing needless suffering and abuse: pick ANY animal farmed for meat in a conventional farming environment and tell me that the animal does not suffer at every stage of it's existence. I source my meat from an organic, sustainable butcher who has strong links to ethical farms; the farms are strictly regulated to enforce levels of care that exceed conventional farms by such a great margin that they could hardly be compared (fyi, animal density, diet, illness/disease, lifecycle and bio-dynamic integration are all key targets of this model). The meat is expensive and amusingly, tastes MUCH better.

That last point is another logical fallacy. The ineffectiveness of commercially available mineral/vitamin supplements has zero bearing on my diet because not only is my diet complete without any supplements (because I eat a small amount of meat each week), but the only vitamin that I would have to supplement (b12) is actually just as effective from artificial sources as it is from meat. I'd also add you can get very nearly enough b12 from plant-based sources as you can from meat in an ordinary diet, since the b12 is a product of bacteria and as such can be found in plant sources. (mushroom, ferments and a number of other vegetables, depending on preparation and source). Wikipedia Page on Vitamin B12 Sources

I won't even bother listing the advantages of a vegan diet because I feel that the ethical reasons are compelling enough for me. If the average anti-vegan shitposter would ever bother to take the time and investigate dietary balance and nutrient sources (without resorting to shitty distorted pro-vegan or pro-meat garbage propaganda, which will make up 90% of your google search results - both sides of this debate are as bad as each other when it comes to grabbing the tiniest slither of advantageous evidence and blowing it out of proportion ) they'd soon discover that in reality, humans can eat an enormous variety of food sources and be perfectly healthy, nutritionally complete.

Don't bother taking nutritional advice from this website but it DOES show a large number of people who are pushing their bodies to the limit and eating a vegan diet. Vegan Bodybuilding: Profile Pagehttp://www.veganbodybuilding.com/?page=bios