But I don't think most beginners are gunna wanna throw down mad cash $$$, espeically for something is infinite amount of knowledge on for free online. It's just being able to distinguish what is good and what is bad, and than what works for the individual. Except everything works for beginners haha.

I'm not saying to hire a trainer. Just get one online that is made by a reputable trainer.

Cambium

United States16368 Posts

December 06 2012 02:02 GMT

#23

On December 06 2012 03:00 Crushinator wrote:

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Yes, starting strength is not designed to be a bodybuilding program. Rippetoe is not a bodybuilder. It is an excellent general strength trianing program, and maybe lots of people will gain a satisfactory amount of mass on it. But, I think think anyone with decent knowledge about weight training can create a program that is better for gaining mass. There is too little volume on Starting Strength to cause optimal hypertrophy, there is nothing controversial about that statement.

I even mention one of these programs, namely a program created by JasonDB of bodybuilding.com. Even the program titled A Simple Beginner's Routine, should be superior for mass. Starting Strength will probably get you stronger more quickly though.

This program looks hardcore, I think I would pass out at the end of them haha

Didge

United Kingdom24 Posts

December 06 2012 08:11 GMT

#24

My mate is a steak head and he does 4-6 reps and sets of something he can barely lift - "quality over quantity" etc!

Crushinator

Netherlands2138 Posts

December 06 2012 11:10 GMT

#25

On December 06 2012 11:02 Cambium wrote:

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On December 06 2012 03:00 Crushinator wrote:

On December 05 2012 13:14 eshlow wrote:

On November 30 2012 17:20 Crushinator wrote:
Starting strength is a strength training program and not optimal for hypertrophy. 3x5 reps is too little for that. 5x5 is a bit better for muscle growth while still making good strength gains. I would either do 5x5 or work in the 8-12 rep range, doing sets of 20 is not recommended for beginners though, if you dont have a very specific goal. If your primary goal is growth, i would get on some kind of beginner bodybuilding program (bodybuilding.com has a novice 5x5 you might like).

Note: That said, the most important thing for a beginner is to simply stick with a program, don't overthink it too much. You should make good gains on Starting Strength, but the reality is that for growth, there are more effective programs. The PHAT program you linked is not recommended for beginners IMO, better to do a full body workout routine. Also, messing up Starting Strength by doing 10 reps, is not a good idea. Find a REAL program for beginners, that suits your goals, and do it as written.

So basically what you're saying is that you can find a program or make one that puts on more muscle than Starting Strength on a beginner done correctly.

Please share your knowledge with us.

This program looks hardcore, I think I would pass out at the end of them haha

That program is on the high end of volume but imo its still pretty reasonable, even for a beginner. Takes my brother about 1 hour 20 mins to complete. If you have stamina issues you can cut out a set from each of the isolation movements, but tbh it shouldn't be a problem, especially after you get used to the workload.

eshlow

United States5210 Posts

December 06 2012 12:32 GMT

#26

There's absolutely no way I would give that much volume to a beginner.

YoucriedWolf

Sweden1456 Posts

December 06 2012 13:24 GMT

#27

Just start out with 4-6 reps it's solid for a beginner.

You are probably gonna want to stick to that with the big compound lifts (unless you do 1RM) and the extra reps often favored on the isolation exercises will in all likelihood work themselves in when you get a feel for it and get a better understanding of what you're doing to your body.

Mafs

Canada458 Posts

December 09 2012 04:51 GMT

#28

Never follow any rules or set programs, these are guidelines and if you follow them you are a sheep. If you want optimal gains, experiment for 3-4 months on 2-3 different routines and see which ones give you most gains, and which ones you like.

For example, I started recently, I did a push/pull hypertrophy thing in august/sep, then SS in oct, and some of nov. Now I've been on a mix, sorta like PHAT. I made almost no progress in anything doing the hypertrophy one, SS I made tiny gains(3-4 lbs a week) that were not noticeable. Now I've been doing my own version of PHAT, after my leg hypertrophy day(because I can push myself and use the muscle more using a lower weight), my squat weight goes up ~7-8lbs after each cycle(or split, its about a 9 day total split). Keep in mind I'm cutting. Try squatting 65% of your 1 RM 25 times for 3 sets and tell me your squat weight doesn't go up next week.

TLDR
-experiment and find what works for you
-use proper form that allows for maximum muscle stimulation
-eat good
-gainz

Edit: About Kai, he has his own routine designed for trying to win Mr.Olympia, are you 280lbs sub 10% BF competing for mr.olympia while taking 8000mg of test a week? If you are, then you can use his workout routine, if not why are you doing it? Don't do something without thinking about it, think for yourself, don't like others think for you.

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