EPTVertical Jump
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fatfail
United States386 Posts
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
Sprinters dont run marathons trying to train for the 100, you are training for moving your legs about 2 feet as fast as you can. | ||
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
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fatfail
United States386 Posts
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eshlow
United States5210 Posts
If you want to make any good progress you need barbells for squats and deadlifts. And yes, training explosiveness and endurance hurts each other. Strength and power are at one end of the spectrum and endurance is at the others. YOu can't have your cake and eat it too. If you want to be a good athlete focus on getting stronger and powerful. It applies to the most sports. | ||
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fatfail
United States386 Posts
On August 25 2012 08:05 eshlow wrote: Buy a barbell and plates off of craigslist for cheap. If you want to make any good progress you need barbells for squats and deadlifts. And yes, training explosiveness and endurance hurts each other. Strength and power are at one end of the spectrum and endurance is at the others. YOu can't have your cake and eat it too. If you want to be a good athlete focus on getting stronger and powerful. It applies to the most sports. I'm somewhat confused by this post. You can't possibly be claiming athletes don't need to train endurance. Or do you actually mean that? | ||
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Najda
United States3765 Posts
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AirbladeOrange
United States2573 Posts
On August 25 2012 08:34 fatfail wrote: I'm somewhat confused by this post. You can't possibly be claiming athletes don't need to train endurance. Or do you actually mean that? No, he's saying they are opposites. Training for explosiveness and endurance are very different. That's why sprinters do not do the same type of workouts as distance runners. It's very tough to be good at everything so it might be best for you to prioritize what's most important to you and train for that. | ||
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BlackMTsidE
United States32 Posts
I would also focus on developing maximal strength in your legs. Learn to squat and deadlift properly with heavy weight. Ditch the leg press. Good luck. By the way, even a 10-20% increase in vertical jump is considered excellent progress, so keep that in mind. | ||
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eshlow
United States5210 Posts
On August 25 2012 09:02 AirbladeOrange wrote: No, he's saying they are opposites. Training for explosiveness and endurance are very different. That's why sprinters do not do the same type of workouts as distance runners. It's very tough to be good at everything so it might be best for you to prioritize what's most important to you and train for that. This is precisely what I am saying. Focus on getting stronger and powerful as strength is the foundation of athleticism. If after that you want to add in some endurance after you're pretty strong go for it, but know that it can negatively affect your explosiveness, | ||
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Vitruvian
United States168 Posts
Mod edit: Don't link to pirated things on TLHF please | ||
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eshlow
United States5210 Posts
Go support the author! http://www.higher-faster-sports.com/verticaljump.html | ||
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emjaytron
Australia544 Posts
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Vitruvian
United States168 Posts
On August 29 2012 09:38 eshlow wrote: You know you're linking to a book that you're supposed to buy through his site, right? Go support the author! http://www.higher-faster-sports.com/verticaljump.html Yeah, I know. And I actually did buy it. The download format he provides for purchase is absolutely obnoxious though. Restrictions so extreme that you can't even zoom in or out of the document. Or do any kind of ctrl-F search for key sections. In any case, you're probably right, go support the author! Haha. | ||
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decafchicken
United States20062 Posts
On August 29 2012 09:49 emjaytron wrote: Cannot emphasise this enough. When I was in final year of high school trying to make our top division volleyball team I squatted 3x weekly, going from about 60-70kg to 120kg in 3 months with little prior strength and conditioning training, and learnt to powerclean. Put about 15cm on my vertical jump to get it to about 80cm in 3 months training. Then the next 8 years I barely managed to put another 5cm on it through all kinds of exercises. Getting that squat up towards 1.5-2x bodyweight is everything man. And powercleans are fantastic neural recruitment exercise. Quoted for truth. | ||
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phyre112
United States3090 Posts
In the past four years (college) my vertical jump has improved from ~26 inches (could grab a basketball rim) to ~30 inches (can reliably dunk without a problem) both from a standing jump. In that time, I've gained over 50 pounds of bodyweight. The difference has been an increase in strength, due to squats and deadlifts (both of which I've added over 200 pounds to) and in explosiveness from learning to clean (power clean and c&j) and proper form when I'm doing my sprints (activating more involved musculature, which transfers well to jumping). So sure, plyometrics and other things that have you actively practicing the motion of jumping will help to an extent, but not nearly as much as getting strong will (if you're not strong) and learning to activate those muscles (if you can't). Jumping stuff comes third. | ||
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Dirkzor
Denmark1944 Posts
I'm asking because I did a 118 cm (46~inches) box jump (standing) a few months back but does that translate to a vertical jump? | ||
Flicky
England2665 Posts
Alternatively, look for that Pyrhos Dimas vertical jump after his Snatch/C+J WR. (at work so can't find youtube links) | ||
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fatfail
United States386 Posts
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eshlow
United States5210 Posts
On August 30 2012 07:06 fatfail wrote: I am absolutely convinced that strength training helps vertical. It is just that I don't have gym membership or weights. ): If you got about $100-200 bucks you can probably snag an Oly bar, and weights off of craiglist for as much as 300 lbs or more. | ||
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