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WhiZ
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Sweden853 Posts
April 22 2013 21:23 GMT
#7161
On April 23 2013 05:08 sc4k wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2013 04:48 WhiZ wrote:
On April 23 2013 04:33 sc4k wrote:
Holy sugar Robin Van Persie is working over Villa! Hat trick in 32 minutes. OMG!

Anyone who has RVP as the captain on their fantasy team is having a very good time!!


i have Giroud as captain this round, is that good?


Haha, and yet you still managed to overtake Rebs this round! Fair play to you. But I have to ask, making Giroud el capitan...wtf were you thinking?


was thinkin he was on a roll
why
Epx
Profile Joined June 2011
Switzerland209 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-22 22:15:11
April 22 2013 22:12 GMT
#7162
GÖTZE TO BAYERN AFTER SUMMER....

http://www.bild.de/sport/fussball/borussia-dortmund/wechselt-zu-bayern-30111116.bild.html

why oh why??? why you've to destroy my bvb.
bObaZ
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
Portugal864 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-22 22:20:50
April 22 2013 22:19 GMT
#7163
On April 23 2013 03:04 Black Gun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2013 02:57 warding wrote:
Benfica's actually in 21st in terms of revenue generated:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deloitte_Football_Money_League#2011.E2.80.9312

The big difference is that compared to all other clubs in the list, TV revenue is ridiculously lower. So the Benfica/Porto business model requires buying cheap, developing players, and selling expensive. They have arguably the best scouting systems in the world and a great organizational structure that so far have been quite consistent in turning diamonds in the rough into great players.

The huge debt comes in part from the stadiums built for the Euro 2004, and from the fact that borrowing was relatively cheap until the crisis. Nowadays, with borrowing costs going up, Portuguese clubs are forced to deleverage and actually present operating profits to remain viable.

while it is certainly true that benfica and porto have some fantastic scouting, they (and the whole portuguese league) have the huge advantage that they offer talents from brazil an environment that speaks their language. due to this language advantage over non-portuguese speaking countries, the portuguese clubs have it much easier to get young brazilian talents accustomed to european football. benfica and porto just get the greatest talents from brazil as they are the top-dogs of the portuguese league...

but they are nonetheless doing a marvellous job, dont get me wrong.


In the last 10 big transfers from Benfica and Porto (Fabio Coentrão, Axel Witsel, Javi Garcia, Hulk, Ramires, Di Maria, David Luiz, Falcao, Ricardo Quaresma, Lisandro Lopez) only 3 are from brazil. So that's not quite accurate

And the players that are in the making, aiming for big transfers (Garay, Matic, Salvio, Gaitan, James, Mangala, Jackson, Moutinho), none of them are from brazil
sc4k
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United Kingdom5454 Posts
April 22 2013 22:27 GMT
#7164
On April 23 2013 07:12 Epx wrote:
GÖTZE TO BAYERN AFTER SUMMER....

http://www.bild.de/sport/fussball/borussia-dortmund/wechselt-zu-bayern-30111116.bild.html

why oh why??? why you've to destroy my bvb.


And so begins the end of the golden age of dortmund
Ferrose
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States11378 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-22 22:43:43
April 22 2013 22:33 GMT
#7165
On April 23 2013 07:27 sc4k wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2013 07:12 Epx wrote:
GÖTZE TO BAYERN AFTER SUMMER....

http://www.bild.de/sport/fussball/borussia-dortmund/wechselt-zu-bayern-30111116.bild.html

why oh why??? why you've to destroy my bvb.


And so begins the end of the golden age of dortmund


Maybe Dortmund will get KDB like the rumors state?

Man, what the heck. So if this is true, not only will Bayern already have a ridiculous amount of young talent in Germany, but they'll also be adding Gotze, Jan Kirchoff, and possibly Lewandowski. Will Pep even have to try to win with that team?

On April 23 2013 07:36 Savage88 wrote:
FUCK NO! Why did Dortmund put a fixed transfer fee in his contract. :/
If Lewandowski and Götze both leave this Summer, we will have like 60-70m alone from these two transfers. I hope so much this if fake, but doesn't look like it. Dortmund is forced to accept the offer, if its fixed in his contract.


Did you just register to say this? ._. And yeah, looks like he does have a release clause of £30m in his contract (which I'm guessing comes out to 37m in Euros?).
@113candlemagic Office lady by day, lonely woman at night. | Official lolicon of thread 94273
Savage88
Profile Joined April 2013
Germany132 Posts
April 22 2013 22:36 GMT
#7166
FUCK NO! Why did Dortmund put a fixed transfer fee in his contract. :/
If Lewandowski and Götze both leave this Summer, we will have like 60-70m alone from these two transfers. I hope so much this if fake, but doesn't look like it. Dortmund is forced to accept the offer, if its fixed in his contract.
DragoonTT
Profile Joined April 2012
3398 Posts
April 22 2013 22:43 GMT
#7167
Pleeease let this be wrong. Götze leaving could very well end up causing a chain reaction, prompting players like Hummels and Gündogan to jump ship as well. As good as KDB may be, he isn't going to adequately replace Götze at all (and at a rumoured pricetag of 17m, pretty costly as well for a player that hasn't really achieved anything yet)
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
April 22 2013 22:45 GMT
#7168
On April 23 2013 07:19 bObaZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2013 03:04 Black Gun wrote:
On April 23 2013 02:57 warding wrote:
Benfica's actually in 21st in terms of revenue generated:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deloitte_Football_Money_League#2011.E2.80.9312

The big difference is that compared to all other clubs in the list, TV revenue is ridiculously lower. So the Benfica/Porto business model requires buying cheap, developing players, and selling expensive. They have arguably the best scouting systems in the world and a great organizational structure that so far have been quite consistent in turning diamonds in the rough into great players.

The huge debt comes in part from the stadiums built for the Euro 2004, and from the fact that borrowing was relatively cheap until the crisis. Nowadays, with borrowing costs going up, Portuguese clubs are forced to deleverage and actually present operating profits to remain viable.

while it is certainly true that benfica and porto have some fantastic scouting, they (and the whole portuguese league) have the huge advantage that they offer talents from brazil an environment that speaks their language. due to this language advantage over non-portuguese speaking countries, the portuguese clubs have it much easier to get young brazilian talents accustomed to european football. benfica and porto just get the greatest talents from brazil as they are the top-dogs of the portuguese league...

but they are nonetheless doing a marvellous job, dont get me wrong.


In the last 10 big transfers from Benfica and Porto (Fabio Coentrão, Axel Witsel, Javi Garcia, Hulk, Ramires, Di Maria, David Luiz, Falcao, Ricardo Quaresma, Lisandro Lopez) only 3 are from brazil. So that's not quite accurate

And the players that are in the making, aiming for big transfers (Garay, Matic, Salvio, Gaitan, James, Mangala, Jackson, Moutinho), none of them are from brazil


Well its unfair to just say Brazillians but South Americans in general is a different story. Portugal is by far the best entry way

On September 05 2012 17:28 Rebs wrote:

Portugal is where decent players go to become great players imo. Both Benfica and Porto in particular have done a crazy good job the last half a decade especially with respect to South Americans.

Taking the wonder kids out of South America and throwing them into top clubs straight away is so risky. It often ends up wasting a huge chunk of the players development stage and the club doesn't get much out of it either,

Want your South American done right ? Send him to Portugal. Its obvious they know their shit, develope good players and seem to profit when they let them go dont seem to mind it to much either
sc4k
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United Kingdom5454 Posts
April 22 2013 23:03 GMT
#7169
All the 'secondary leagues' produce talent- portugal, france, netherlands. Their existence really serves to help the 'major' leagues if you want to call them that.

Have any of the prem teams tabled an offer for Götze? He's definitely worth in that region if one factors in the inflation of prices in modern football. He will be best served playing for Bayern though so it would come down to money offers/ his feelings about moving to England.
AngryMag
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany1040 Posts
April 23 2013 00:16 GMT
#7170
I feel like Götze shouldn't leave Dortmund. He plays regularly, will also play next year in the CL and thus he will be collecting experience on the highest level. At Bayern he would be at a big risk to warm the bench.
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-23 01:38:51
April 23 2013 01:21 GMT
#7171
I'm a little skeptical on the Goetze transfer until more info comes out. He's signed until 2016 and there's no way BVB would choose to sell him to Bayern, so until more info comes out, I'm waiting on judgment.

Furthermore, doesn't a player need to agree to be transferred (as in you can't just trade people like you can in U.S. sports)? This is my understanding of the system; you have to offer the player an agreeable contract to get him transferred to you. He agreed in March (as in a month ago) to an extension with BVB. Why would he suddenly agree to go to Bayern, even if BVB is forced to accept a transfer fee?

All the 'secondary leagues' produce talent- portugal, france, netherlands. Their existence really serves to help the 'major' leagues if you want to call them that.


This is one of the worst qualities about football. An entire nation's national competition can serve as a "development" place for people so they can go to where the "real competition" is. It keeps this sport so un-competitive.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
NuclearJudas
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
6546 Posts
April 23 2013 03:48 GMT
#7172
Of course a player has to agree to the transfer. This isn't a slave market. I too don't see Götze leaving Dortmund, as they will continue fighting for trophies domestically and internationally.
Life is like Tetris. Your errors pile up but your accomplishments disappear. - Robert Ohlén | http://railroaddiary.wordpress.com/ - My words about stuff.
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
April 23 2013 04:15 GMT
#7173
On April 23 2013 12:48 NuclearJudas wrote:
Of course a player has to agree to the transfer. This isn't a slave market. I too don't see Götze leaving Dortmund, as they will continue fighting for trophies domestically and internationally.


You say that with an "of course" tone, but do you realize how trades work in the States when it comes to sports?
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
Ferrose
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States11378 Posts
April 23 2013 05:24 GMT
#7174
Meh, if anyone in Germany can survive it, it's Dortmund. I think they will be okay as long as they have Klopp. Even if they lose more players, they will make a fortune in transfer fees and be able to get new players. They'll still have a wealth of young talent with Lewandowski, Hummels, Reus, Bender, Pisczek (no clue how to spell that), Subotic, etc., and more hot prospects we have seen much of yet like Moritz Leitner.

Plus they have the money from a deep UCL run and a stadium that holds 80,000 people (their matchday revenue must be ridiculous).
@113candlemagic Office lady by day, lonely woman at night. | Official lolicon of thread 94273
MapleLeafSirup
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany950 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-23 06:01:23
April 23 2013 05:59 GMT
#7175
edit: nvm
DaMuffinman
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany1705 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-23 08:24:06
April 23 2013 07:01 GMT
#7176
I call bullshit on this Götze news. I think this is a distraction move of Bild and Bayern (Hoeneß) to take some media focus off Hoeneß. Hoeneß has been a dominating topic in the German media since he has put himself under police investigation because of tax dodging.

Edit: And ofc I hope Götze doesn't leave Dortmund...^^
Edit2: Everything I read counters my idea from above...
Edit3: It's official. Dortmund stated 4 minutes ago, that Götze is making use of his release clause
But does it djent?
hns
Profile Joined January 2010
Germany609 Posts
April 23 2013 08:40 GMT
#7177
Holy shit it's real. 0_o

Apart from that: Considering that Götze is perfectly capable of playing a false 9, a preferred system of Guardiola, this transfer makes perfect sense. Also, Robben and probably Gomez may very well leave Bayern. I also don't see any problem in Bayern buying him; it's basically like Martinez: If you have a fixed transfer clause in the contract, it may get used and you shouldn't complain. While 40m for Martinez certainly seemed somewhat safe to shoo away most interested clubs, I'm wondering why Dortmund settled for only 37m (if that's correct) for Götze. The timing is a bit awkward now, though :/
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Savage88
Profile Joined April 2013
Germany132 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-23 08:47:39
April 23 2013 08:47 GMT
#7178
I went to bed with the hope of its being a fake and now its confirmed. Seriously, Götze will get shitstormed so hard on every media. I would hope that he willl play no more Game for Dortmund, he is a fucking JUDAS!
It wouldn't be so hard if he would go to a real Club like ManU/Real or Barca... but Bayern, WTF! GET OUT JUDAS!
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-23 08:53:41
April 23 2013 08:48 GMT
#7179
Sky Sports just confirmed it's a done deal.



Bayern Munich agree £32m(€37m) deal to sign Mario Goetze from Borussia Dortmund

Borussia Dortmund have confirmed that Germany midfielder Mario Goetze will join Bundersliga rivals Bayern Munich in a £32m(€37m) deal.

More to come!


Source



Lol oh dear, Guillem Balague adding fuel to the fire (Spanish Reporter, follows Pep extensively those who don't know) by saying Lewandowski has already signed for another club....Also Bayern Munchen ^_^


Guillem Balague ‏@GuillemBalague

and Lewandowski seems to be going the same direction. English clubs have been told not to bother with him as he has agreed with another club
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Kotreb
Profile Joined June 2011
Croatia1392 Posts
April 23 2013 09:02 GMT
#7180
Seriously...what the fuck? For crying out loud, why? Is it the money, or more likely, Pep?
Not happy with this...
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