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On February 27 2013 07:22 clementdudu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 07:15 sc4k wrote:On February 27 2013 07:05 WillyWanker wrote:On February 27 2013 07:02 sc4k wrote:
Watching Barca just get curbstomped by 10 defenders in the box is always a pleasing sight. When a team gives Barcelona the wings for free, it just makes me laugh how pathetically incapable of using crosses and physical presence they are. Such a one-dimensional team. I am convinced that with the higher quality of defending in the prem, they would have a smaller points total here than in Spain. Barely any long shots, barely any crosses and can't score for shit from non-trick-play corners = fucking stack 10 men in the box and let's do this. Sure buddy, keep thinking that  The most creative team around there and they are 'one-dimensional' ? Please... Premier League hasn't win any big title in Europe since what, 6 years? There's a reason for that... Coming from a Chelsea fan it doesn't really surprise me anyway! Chelsea won the CL last year...and Man U won it 5 years ago. In the 2000's, Spain has 4 wins and England has 3. Big gulf eh? I already explicated the one-dimensionality of Barca. They may be creative with their triangle and short passing, but their long pass game, crossing, long shots, ability to win corners etc are just so hilariously lacking when compared to all the other top clubs. No other club in the top echelons would be given the wings for FREE and not be able to do anything with it, time and time again. On February 27 2013 07:13 clementdudu wrote:On February 27 2013 07:02 sc4k wrote:
Watching Barca just get curbstomped by 10 defenders in the box is always a pleasing sight. When a team gives Barcelona the wings for free, it just makes me laugh how pathetically incapable of using crosses and physical presence they are. Such a one-dimensional team. I am convinced that with the higher quality of defending in the prem, they would have a smaller points total here than in Spain. Barely any long shots, barely any crosses and can't score for shit from non-trick-play corners = fucking stack 10 men in the box and let's do this. so the fact that barca has been raping top pl teams for years now hasnt taught you anything. True, for the past, but I'm saying that with the fact that people have finally realised how pathetic Barca are against 10 in the box, they would be broken way more often than they have in the past from now on. If they were to join the prem and play a season now. Every single match would be 10 in the box. The weakness of Barca has been exposed. The performances of Chelsea, Milan, Celtic and now RM have proven this weakness is a legit vulnerability. They have some incredible individual talents who are able to save the team from this tactical one-dimensionality but they can be contained. And they didn't even deserve to make the final in 2009. ok we agree on the fact that after 10 years of complete domination,the best team of all time is finally getting a bit old/tired/figured out.i dont think anybody was expecting them to dominate for another 20 years anyway 
That's stretching it just a little haha.
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On February 27 2013 07:22 clementdudu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 07:15 sc4k wrote:On February 27 2013 07:05 WillyWanker wrote:On February 27 2013 07:02 sc4k wrote:
Watching Barca just get curbstomped by 10 defenders in the box is always a pleasing sight. When a team gives Barcelona the wings for free, it just makes me laugh how pathetically incapable of using crosses and physical presence they are. Such a one-dimensional team. I am convinced that with the higher quality of defending in the prem, they would have a smaller points total here than in Spain. Barely any long shots, barely any crosses and can't score for shit from non-trick-play corners = fucking stack 10 men in the box and let's do this. Sure buddy, keep thinking that The most creative team around there and they are 'one-dimensional' ? Please... Premier League hasn't win any big title in Europe since what, 6 years? There's a reason for that... Coming from a Chelsea fan it doesn't really surprise me anyway! Chelsea won the CL last year...and Man U won it 5 years ago. In the 2000's, Spain has 4 wins and England has 3. Big gulf eh? I already explicated the one-dimensionality of Barca. They may be creative with their triangle and short passing, but their long pass game, crossing, long shots, ability to win corners etc are just so hilariously lacking when compared to all the other top clubs. No other club in the top echelons would be given the wings for FREE and not be able to do anything with it, time and time again. On February 27 2013 07:13 clementdudu wrote:On February 27 2013 07:02 sc4k wrote:
Watching Barca just get curbstomped by 10 defenders in the box is always a pleasing sight. When a team gives Barcelona the wings for free, it just makes me laugh how pathetically incapable of using crosses and physical presence they are. Such a one-dimensional team. I am convinced that with the higher quality of defending in the prem, they would have a smaller points total here than in Spain. Barely any long shots, barely any crosses and can't score for shit from non-trick-play corners = fucking stack 10 men in the box and let's do this. so the fact that barca has been raping top pl teams for years now hasnt taught you anything. True, for the past, but I'm saying that with the fact that people have finally realised how pathetic Barca are against 10 in the box, they would be broken way more often than they have in the past from now on. If they were to join the prem and play a season now. Every single match would be 10 in the box. The weakness of Barca has been exposed. The performances of Chelsea, Milan, Celtic and now RM have proven this weakness is a legit vulnerability. They have some incredible individual talents who are able to save the team from this tactical one-dimensionality but they can be contained. And they didn't even deserve to make the final in 2009. ok we agree on the fact that after 10 years of complete domination,the best team of all time is finally getting a bit old/tired/figured out.i dont think anybody was expecting them to dominate for another 20 years anyway
10 years of complete domination? Last I checked, Barca only had 3 CL wins in the last decade. Not "complete domination"...
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Pandemona
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Yeah your style hasn't been figured out as such i would say.
I would however say your manager isn't up to the task, being ill like he is does not help the situation, poor guy needs to be a technical director not a manager/coach.
Secondly, your squad is aging your best defender by a million miles if Puyol and he isn't getting any younger. This coutner attacks are even more brutal.
Plus Fabregas hasn't hit his heights and you could argue, Iniesta Xavi and Busquets haven't been amazing this season. Maybe for some reason Barca are tired all of a sudden?
But there is a problem somewhere, Barca of old would not of lost to Milan or be conceding the mass amounts they are now, and failing to overturn those results
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On February 27 2013 07:40 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 07:22 clementdudu wrote:On February 27 2013 07:15 sc4k wrote:On February 27 2013 07:05 WillyWanker wrote:On February 27 2013 07:02 sc4k wrote:
Watching Barca just get curbstomped by 10 defenders in the box is always a pleasing sight. When a team gives Barcelona the wings for free, it just makes me laugh how pathetically incapable of using crosses and physical presence they are. Such a one-dimensional team. I am convinced that with the higher quality of defending in the prem, they would have a smaller points total here than in Spain. Barely any long shots, barely any crosses and can't score for shit from non-trick-play corners = fucking stack 10 men in the box and let's do this. Sure buddy, keep thinking that The most creative team around there and they are 'one-dimensional' ? Please... Premier League hasn't win any big title in Europe since what, 6 years? There's a reason for that... Coming from a Chelsea fan it doesn't really surprise me anyway! Chelsea won the CL last year...and Man U won it 5 years ago. In the 2000's, Spain has 4 wins and England has 3. Big gulf eh? I already explicated the one-dimensionality of Barca. They may be creative with their triangle and short passing, but their long pass game, crossing, long shots, ability to win corners etc are just so hilariously lacking when compared to all the other top clubs. No other club in the top echelons would be given the wings for FREE and not be able to do anything with it, time and time again. On February 27 2013 07:13 clementdudu wrote:On February 27 2013 07:02 sc4k wrote:
Watching Barca just get curbstomped by 10 defenders in the box is always a pleasing sight. When a team gives Barcelona the wings for free, it just makes me laugh how pathetically incapable of using crosses and physical presence they are. Such a one-dimensional team. I am convinced that with the higher quality of defending in the prem, they would have a smaller points total here than in Spain. Barely any long shots, barely any crosses and can't score for shit from non-trick-play corners = fucking stack 10 men in the box and let's do this. so the fact that barca has been raping top pl teams for years now hasnt taught you anything. True, for the past, but I'm saying that with the fact that people have finally realised how pathetic Barca are against 10 in the box, they would be broken way more often than they have in the past from now on. If they were to join the prem and play a season now. Every single match would be 10 in the box. The weakness of Barca has been exposed. The performances of Chelsea, Milan, Celtic and now RM have proven this weakness is a legit vulnerability. They have some incredible individual talents who are able to save the team from this tactical one-dimensionality but they can be contained. And they didn't even deserve to make the final in 2009. ok we agree on the fact that after 10 years of complete domination,the best team of all time is finally getting a bit old/tired/figured out.i dont think anybody was expecting them to dominate for another 20 years anyway 10 years of complete domination? Last I checked, Barca only had 3 CL wins in the last decade. Not "complete domination"...
theres no such thing as a bonjwa in football,never existed never will.sometimes dominating teams do not win;)also the fact that when they won they were miles ahead of any other team should be taken into account.some years they could have played a best of 10 against every team in cl and won all of them.(stats pulled out of my ass but you know its true)
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Yeah like I said we won almost everything, the team is tired (not even talking about the age of the players), and not only physically.
Iniesta has been having a terrific season, but Xavi not so much. Fabregas had a good start, and like last year, a bad second part (never good in the big games).
The coach thing is a real issue, but I still think it's not the biggest one. We give our opponents so many counter attacks because of unnecessary ball losses because Messi/Iniesta/Cesc decide to run through 4 opponents.. They also always try to pass the ball between each other and not trying other options like Pedro, Alves or Alba, which make our gameplan really predictable for well organized teams. On our good days, these triangles are destroying everything. On our bad days, it makes us lose our defensive balance and the results are deadly counter attacks. It's not so terrible against average teams, but against players of Ronaldo/Boateng's caliber it's just not doable.
Tonight we really made it easy for Real to kill us.
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HALA MADRID. Cristiano Ronaldo the best. !!!!! Farcelona so bad...... !!!!!!
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On February 27 2013 07:51 WillyWanker wrote:
Tonight we really made it easy for Real to kill us.
You should have said "Tonight we made it REAL easy for MADRID to kill us."
Jus' sayin'.
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On February 27 2013 07:48 clementdudu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 07:40 Stratos_speAr wrote:On February 27 2013 07:22 clementdudu wrote:On February 27 2013 07:15 sc4k wrote:On February 27 2013 07:05 WillyWanker wrote:On February 27 2013 07:02 sc4k wrote:
Watching Barca just get curbstomped by 10 defenders in the box is always a pleasing sight. When a team gives Barcelona the wings for free, it just makes me laugh how pathetically incapable of using crosses and physical presence they are. Such a one-dimensional team. I am convinced that with the higher quality of defending in the prem, they would have a smaller points total here than in Spain. Barely any long shots, barely any crosses and can't score for shit from non-trick-play corners = fucking stack 10 men in the box and let's do this. Sure buddy, keep thinking that The most creative team around there and they are 'one-dimensional' ? Please... Premier League hasn't win any big title in Europe since what, 6 years? There's a reason for that... Coming from a Chelsea fan it doesn't really surprise me anyway! Chelsea won the CL last year...and Man U won it 5 years ago. In the 2000's, Spain has 4 wins and England has 3. Big gulf eh? I already explicated the one-dimensionality of Barca. They may be creative with their triangle and short passing, but their long pass game, crossing, long shots, ability to win corners etc are just so hilariously lacking when compared to all the other top clubs. No other club in the top echelons would be given the wings for FREE and not be able to do anything with it, time and time again. On February 27 2013 07:13 clementdudu wrote:On February 27 2013 07:02 sc4k wrote:
Watching Barca just get curbstomped by 10 defenders in the box is always a pleasing sight. When a team gives Barcelona the wings for free, it just makes me laugh how pathetically incapable of using crosses and physical presence they are. Such a one-dimensional team. I am convinced that with the higher quality of defending in the prem, they would have a smaller points total here than in Spain. Barely any long shots, barely any crosses and can't score for shit from non-trick-play corners = fucking stack 10 men in the box and let's do this. so the fact that barca has been raping top pl teams for years now hasnt taught you anything. True, for the past, but I'm saying that with the fact that people have finally realised how pathetic Barca are against 10 in the box, they would be broken way more often than they have in the past from now on. If they were to join the prem and play a season now. Every single match would be 10 in the box. The weakness of Barca has been exposed. The performances of Chelsea, Milan, Celtic and now RM have proven this weakness is a legit vulnerability. They have some incredible individual talents who are able to save the team from this tactical one-dimensionality but they can be contained. And they didn't even deserve to make the final in 2009. ok we agree on the fact that after 10 years of complete domination,the best team of all time is finally getting a bit old/tired/figured out.i dont think anybody was expecting them to dominate for another 20 years anyway 10 years of complete domination? Last I checked, Barca only had 3 CL wins in the last decade. Not "complete domination"... theres no such thing as a bonjwa in football,never existed never will.sometimes dominating teams do not win;)also the fact that when they won they were miles ahead of any other team should be taken into account.some years they could have played a best of 10 against every team in cl and won all of them.(stats pulled out of my ass but you know its true)
And on a 5:5 draw they play super penalties, first to score 50 !
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On February 27 2013 07:34 WillyWanker wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 07:29 Pandemona wrote:
Lol Willy, seems you can't take criticism of your team bro....Every team comes under scrutiny at some stage, Barca's turn now, suck it up. This is what happens when you have 2 defeats in 3 games. I can't take unjustified criticism. I'm the first to say that we played terrible tonight and vs Milan, and to say that our style hasn't pleased me for the last 2 seasons. But WE HAVEN'T BEEN FIGURED OUT. Our style isn't crazy complicated, everybody knows how we play, but still can't beat us consistently. We have 12 points over the 2nd in la Liga, is it random? Is it just Messi? No... I repeat myself: WE are the ONLY team playing against SUCH DEFENSIVE teams EVERY DAMN WEEK. I repeat this: look at Madrid's game vs this playstyle, and laugh with me at their pathetic, 'one-dimensional' approach. And this Madrid has long passes skills, sufficient height to score on corners, free kicks, etc... Add to that our physical situation and the fact that we've won almost everything the last year, then you got the real explanation for these failures... Not because Mourinho got a revelation in his dreams yesterday night...
Real/Mourinho have gotten really good results. No they dont beat you consistently, but they come close to it.
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On February 27 2013 09:02 sc4k wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 07:51 WillyWanker wrote:
Tonight we really made it easy for Real to kill us. You should have said "Tonight we made it REAL easy for MADRID to kill us." Jus' sayin'.
Why the expectation that Barcelona has to win everything all the time . Theyre not allowed to lose ? So the best method that works against them works every so often and they are automatically pathetic at it ?
I grant you tons of teams withsaid time and space on the flanks will have just as much trouble day in day out. And these are teams that are probably used to chucking and chasing.
There is no "long ball" strategy against 10 in the box.
You either chuck it in and pray or you pass it around, get annoyed and try a bad shot that gets deflected. On occasions you whip up some magic, very often they do. I think the shooting from distance from part is probably the lousiest criticism.
They do shoot. quite a fair bit. It just doesnt get them anywhere cuz its nearly guaranteed to hit something on the way and you just risk getting countered.
They could certainly improve on some things but who cares really. I like the fact that teams have an identity even if I dont agree with certain ones.
Are they weaker than other teams at chucking the ball in and hoping something happens ? Sure.
That just means they dont have all the answers all the time, it just means they are human and its good for the game. I like it when they win but it doesnt kill me to see other teams doing well
As for the figuring out that happened ages ago. There really isnt anything to figure out either lol its a prettystraight forward mix of man marking and double wall zones. Despite that they are at the zenith. That says alot doesnt it ?
Real Madrid with the squad they have should be going blow for blow with Barca every game. There is nothing abnormal about that. They are that good, especially in knockout football.
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On February 27 2013 07:48 clementdudu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 07:40 Stratos_speAr wrote:On February 27 2013 07:22 clementdudu wrote:On February 27 2013 07:15 sc4k wrote:On February 27 2013 07:05 WillyWanker wrote:On February 27 2013 07:02 sc4k wrote:
Watching Barca just get curbstomped by 10 defenders in the box is always a pleasing sight. When a team gives Barcelona the wings for free, it just makes me laugh how pathetically incapable of using crosses and physical presence they are. Such a one-dimensional team. I am convinced that with the higher quality of defending in the prem, they would have a smaller points total here than in Spain. Barely any long shots, barely any crosses and can't score for shit from non-trick-play corners = fucking stack 10 men in the box and let's do this. Sure buddy, keep thinking that The most creative team around there and they are 'one-dimensional' ? Please... Premier League hasn't win any big title in Europe since what, 6 years? There's a reason for that... Coming from a Chelsea fan it doesn't really surprise me anyway! Chelsea won the CL last year...and Man U won it 5 years ago. In the 2000's, Spain has 4 wins and England has 3. Big gulf eh? I already explicated the one-dimensionality of Barca. They may be creative with their triangle and short passing, but their long pass game, crossing, long shots, ability to win corners etc are just so hilariously lacking when compared to all the other top clubs. No other club in the top echelons would be given the wings for FREE and not be able to do anything with it, time and time again. On February 27 2013 07:13 clementdudu wrote:On February 27 2013 07:02 sc4k wrote:
Watching Barca just get curbstomped by 10 defenders in the box is always a pleasing sight. When a team gives Barcelona the wings for free, it just makes me laugh how pathetically incapable of using crosses and physical presence they are. Such a one-dimensional team. I am convinced that with the higher quality of defending in the prem, they would have a smaller points total here than in Spain. Barely any long shots, barely any crosses and can't score for shit from non-trick-play corners = fucking stack 10 men in the box and let's do this. so the fact that barca has been raping top pl teams for years now hasnt taught you anything. True, for the past, but I'm saying that with the fact that people have finally realised how pathetic Barca are against 10 in the box, they would be broken way more often than they have in the past from now on. If they were to join the prem and play a season now. Every single match would be 10 in the box. The weakness of Barca has been exposed. The performances of Chelsea, Milan, Celtic and now RM have proven this weakness is a legit vulnerability. They have some incredible individual talents who are able to save the team from this tactical one-dimensionality but they can be contained. And they didn't even deserve to make the final in 2009. ok we agree on the fact that after 10 years of complete domination,the best team of all time is finally getting a bit old/tired/figured out.i dont think anybody was expecting them to dominate for another 20 years anyway 10 years of complete domination? Last I checked, Barca only had 3 CL wins in the last decade. Not "complete domination"... theres no such thing as a bonjwa in football,never existed never will.sometimes dominating teams do not win;)also the fact that when they won they were miles ahead of any other team should be taken into account.some years they could have played a best of 10 against every team in cl and won all of them.(stats pulled out of my ass but you know its true)
barcelona was #1 team no question in 2010 and 2011. and they dominated those seasons, even with inter toppling them in CL. but 2009 chelsea was legitimately better, and they certainly didn't dominate from 2003-2008, more like they were one of 5ish contenders for best european team of that time period.
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barcelona is missing tito at least looking at results only from his departure onward. damn.
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On February 27 2013 10:01 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 09:02 sc4k wrote:On February 27 2013 07:51 WillyWanker wrote:
Tonight we really made it easy for Real to kill us. You should have said "Tonight we made it REAL easy for MADRID to kill us." Jus' sayin'. Why the expectation that Barcelona has to win everything all the time . Theyre not allowed to lose ? So the best method that works against them works every so often and they are automatically pathetic at it ? I grant you tons of teams withsaid time and space on the flanks will have just as much trouble day in day out. And these are teams that are probably used to chucking and chasing. There is no "long ball" strategy against 10 in the box. You either chuck it in and pray or you pass it around, get annoyed and try a bad shot that gets deflected. On occasions you whip up some magic, very often they do. I think the shooting from distance from part is probably the lousiest criticism. They do shoot. quite a fair bit. It just doesnt get them anywhere cuz its nearly guaranteed to hit something on the way and you just risk getting countered. They could certainly improve on some things but who cares really. I like the fact that teams have an identity even if I dont agree with certain ones. Are they weaker than other teams at chucking the ball in and hoping something happens ? Sure. That just means they dont have all the answers all the time, it just means they are human and its good for the game. I like it when they win but it doesnt kill me to see other teams doing well As for the figuring out that happened ages ago. There really isnt anything to figure out either lol its a prettystraight forward mix of man marking and double wall zones. Despite that they are at the zenith. That says alot doesnt it ? Real Madrid with the squad they have should be going blow for blow with Barca every game. There is nothing abnormal about that. They are that good, especially in knockout football.
That's why I really think in knockout ball they need to ease off a little, play with a solid, somewhat conservative structure, hold the ball for eternity and take chances when they come instead of trying to force them; the other teams are like here's our wall, and Barcelona is like, ok lets go bang our heads against it (overcommit, lose the ball and get killed). They are playing just strategically dumb given their style--it's cool in league when they will almost always eventually score against a lesser team, and going for wins and making sure not to draw is more important but it was still subtly wrong earlier (they were having amazing come from behind performances too frequently). Now it's blatant.
Also as an aside: you don't have to screw with preferred positions and spacing just to fit Fabregas in the lineup, I don't get it, he's not that amazing. Playing Iniesta in the correct position (way better position to establish a more controlled game) and and then having Tello or Villa fit in, why not?
For me, Barcelona's bread is buttered with this structure:
Alves
..............Busquets
.........Xavi
....................Iniesta
(Alves)
..........Messi
As long as they have all these pieces, why would you interfere with this, it's like the greatest team foundation ever? The rest of the players on the field should be placed with the objective of supporting this and making it work as well as it can. If Jordi Alba pushing forward combined with this makes it too risky, you don't need Jordi Alba constantly playing! If Fabregas gets in Iniesta's preferred space and pushes him too far to wing, you don't need Fabregas constantly playing!
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I totally agree with you, but with the start Fabregas has had this season (and last season was the same), it's difficult to put him on the bench. Plus with Alexis not having his best year, and Villa coming from a long injury, Cesc in the starting 11 was justified.
He also had a good European Championship with Spain, with Iniesta on the left wing combining with Alba, which probably pushed Tito to do the same.
But I feel like since we changed our classic 4-3-3 that's been here for so many years now (since Rijkaard), we're not playing our game. Sure we need 'control' in the midfield, so playing in 3-4-3 like last year, or 4-3-3 Iniesta/Cesc is better for control, but we lose so much in verticality that we had with Henry/Eto'o/Villa/Giuly/... Possession had become an obsession for Pep, and in his last year it destroyed our capacity to score goals from different sources, everything was centered around Messi.
At the start of this year we saw the wings used once again, so I was kinda hopeful, but when we're not having a good day, we seem to go back to our 'everything goes through the middle' strategy that doesn't work against team likes that.
I would like to see Tello replacing Cesc, because I feel he's our best bet to destroy defenses on the side. We would have 2 strong wings and Messi would probably have more space. Villa and Alexis give us other options, because they can play as 9, so they can be the reference when we attack, mobilising at least 1 or 2 of the defenders, giving more space to Messi, again.
But the core of the issue this year seems to be the lack of patience and intelligence when it comes to controlling the game. Like I said before, if we want to be really vertical (which was what we lacked last year), at least put a starting 11 that fits this strategy (real 4-3-3). If we want a controlled game, and Milan/Real Madrid games should have been 'controlled' since we were fine with the initial 0-0, we can play with Cesc and 3 other midfielders. But at least use the adequate players according to the strategy we choose...
And we are all here bashing Barcelona, but we forget they've won la Liga in December, and fell to Real Madrid (arguably the second best team in the world) in la Copa (which is a good trophy, but nothing like la Liga or the CL), AND we're not yet eliminated from the CL. What if we win 3-0 against Milan? I see it complicated, but it would mean we're still good for the biggest title of the season with la Liga.
All these years with Pep, we've had a lot of troubles around January/February, it seems that we're experiencing physical issues and a lack of focus around this time of the year. So there's no real surprise here... If we manage to get back our level from the end of 2012, I'm pretty sure we can crush Milan and advance to win the CL... Nothing is broken... yet.
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totally can't wait for the bayern - dortmund game tonight.
let's hope for a glorious victory on the 213th birthday!
NUR DER FCB
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Dortmund have been really on and off this season. Lets hope for their A-game and a great game
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We stomp so hard in la liga and we are the beast team ever.
We lose two games to Milan and Madrid and hell breaks lose xD
Barça played much better football than Madrid on the first half. Would have been a fair game if the ref called that clear penalty on Pedro. Second game came from a counterattack with only Puyol on the back, because all the team was attacking. Again, in a 1-1 result that might not happen.
Still, grats to Madrid because they deserved to win. They should learn the class to stay after the game to congratulate the winners like Barça did too. In the past Clásicos we won, they did quite the opposite.
Also Pepe gets in just in time to prove he is a fucking insane and moronic douche 
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I love Dortmunds playstyle, it's young, fast, attacking, fresh and great german talent development through effective football schools and education. They've been a joy to watch in champions league when they've played up to their highest potential which imo was top notch especially vs madrid on BVB's home pitch. I hope they play up to their best vs bayern. Reus, götze, lewandowski, hummels aw yeh
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On February 27 2013 10:01 Rebs wrote:
Why the expectation that Barcelona has to win everything all the time . Theyre not allowed to lose ? So the best method that works against them works every so often and they are automatically pathetic at it ?
I disagree that other teams would find it as hard as Barca to break down 10 in the box. Not only because most other teams have more height, weight and long distance power but also because most other teams give their opponents a fair crack at possession and therefore will be able to counter attack more effectively and more often than Barca. In the last 12 months Barca have lost to Celtic, Milan, Chelsea and now RM using the same strategy. I do not believe it's any understatement to say that Barca CLEARLY lack a plan B.
My point is that Barca have put all their eggs in one basket. By creating a team around 3 players who are all tiny, and then supporting them with more undersized players, you are funneling yourself into one playstyle and one dimension. Namely this triangular passing, keepaway 80% possession style. They have the best team in the world at doing it, without a shadow of a doubt, but I hate that they have done it and I love when they lose.
There are just so many things that grind my gears about Barca's style and tactics- it's just like playing an annoying dickhead at Fifa who barely ever risks losing the ball and just passes around for ages, never taking risks, so all I said originally was that I love to watch them getting thrashed by the same basic tactic again and again.
On February 27 2013 16:04 WillyWanker wrote:
But I feel like since we changed our classic 4-3-3 that's been here for so many years now (since Rijkaard), we're not playing our game. Sure we need 'control' in the midfield, so playing in 3-4-3 like last year, or 4-3-3 Iniesta/Cesc is better for control, but we lose so much in verticality that we had with Henry/Eto'o/Villa/Giuly/... Possession had become an obsession for Pep, and in his last year it destroyed our capacity to score goals from different sources, everything was centered around Messi.
At the start of this year we saw the wings used once again, so I was kinda hopeful, but when we're not having a good day, we seem to go back to our 'everything goes through the middle' strategy that doesn't work against team likes that.
THANK YOU. See I don't hate Barca, I actually supported them as a kid. I even had a Barca top. I have just grown to hate what they have become, the possession-obsession combined with risk-aversion. To me it's the worst thing in football, and I'll hate any team which employs it regardless of their success levels. I just want to see an honest game, played from one end of the pitch to the other. Like the 3-2 we just saw between Spurs and West Ham...and the 4-4 last season between Man U and Everton.
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Oh sc4k you have it so wrong inside your head.
They don't play that style of football to take less risks.
The other teams can't shake the ball off of them so they happily pass it around until they find an opening.
Or would you rather messi kicking the ball outfield every now and then just to have the game rhythm changed?
And why do you say that they lack a plan b, when almost every other team don't even have one, they just defend with their lives and it worked twice in 6 years with chelsea and inter, big whoop.
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EPT
