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On February 27 2013 06:39 WillyWanker wrote:
No, I disagree. We haven't had the best Liga run ever just because of Messi, sorry. We're playing with a lot less control in these last games, this is not our game. It can't work like that. How could they figure out a playstyle that isn't even ours?
Even with 3-0 Pepe is still being a cunt... How can people still defend this guy?
Well your game kind of changed to just feeding goals to Messi, he's a little less active with Xavi and Iniesta in midfield now. Also Guardiola was very good at motivating Barca, Tito isn't there and his assistant isn't up to the task of motivating the team.
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Watching Barca just get curbstomped by 10 defenders in the box is always a pleasing sight. When a team gives Barcelona the wings for free, it just makes me laugh how pathetically incapable of using crosses and physical presence they are. Such a one-dimensional team. I am convinced that with the higher quality of defending in the prem, they would have a smaller points total here than in Spain. Barely any long shots, barely any crosses and can't score for shit from non-trick-play corners = fucking stack 10 men in the box and let's do this.
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Our game changed, but for more control, not less. It seems that last year the technical managers thought we lost the titles because we had not enough depth and verticality, and now we can see the result of this thinking. Stupid risky passes, no control, so many goals conceded... We haven't been figured out, or yeah, we have been figured out, maybe 4 years ago, but nobody has been able to stop us consistently even knowing what we would do. It's just when we're having a bad day, we lose, nothing more.
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On February 27 2013 07:02 sc4k wrote:
Watching Barca just get curbstomped by 10 defenders in the box is always a pleasing sight. When a team gives Barcelona the wings for free, it just makes me laugh how pathetically incapable of using crosses and physical presence they are. Such a one-dimensional team. I am convinced that with the higher quality of defending in the prem, they would have a smaller points total here than in Spain. Barely any long shots, barely any crosses and can't score for shit from non-trick-play corners = fucking stack 10 men in the box and let's do this.
Sure buddy, keep thinking that  The most creative team around there and they are 'one-dimensional' ? Please...
Premier League hasn't win any big title in Europe since what, 6 years? There's a reason for that...
Coming from a Chelsea fan it doesn't really surprise me anyway!
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On February 27 2013 07:03 WillyWanker wrote:
Our game changed, but for more control, not less. It seems that last year the technical managers thought we lost the titles because we had not enough depth and verticality, and now we can see the result of this thinking. Stupid risky passes, no control, so many goals conceded... We haven't been figured out, or yeah, we have been figured out, maybe 4 years ago, but nobody has been able to stop us consistently even knowing what we would do. It's just when we're having a bad day, we lose, nothing more.
When you're having this many bad days against top teams I think it's something more. But maybe i'm wrong.
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Yeah it means we're having a bad few months. Nothing to do with tactical discovery from the opponents... Inter Milan won us in 2010, and we won the 2011 CL with the same style as before..
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On February 27 2013 07:03 WillyWanker wrote:
Our game changed, but for more control, not less. It seems that last year the technical managers thought we lost the titles because we had not enough depth and verticality, and now we can see the result of this thinking. Stupid risky passes, no control, so many goals conceded... We haven't been figured out, or yeah, we have been figured out, maybe 4 years ago, but nobody has been able to stop us consistently even knowing what we would do. It's just when we're having a bad day, we lose, nothing more.
Bad days, huh? Bad days last year, losing to Chelsea in the semi's? Bad day again Milan? bad day against Madrid?
You guys have a LOT of bad days...
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Us guys are the only team playing EVERY WEEK against opponents that close themselves like that, so yeah it's getting difficult. Against Chelsea we were physically weak because of la Liga and the Copa where we fought against Real Madrid. Madrid was as tired as us against Bayern.
Milan and today was more tactical defeats, but shit happens, we can't win everything every year.. People have such high expectations from them, they're just humans, chillax.
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On February 27 2013 07:05 WillyWanker wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 07:02 sc4k wrote:
Watching Barca just get curbstomped by 10 defenders in the box is always a pleasing sight. When a team gives Barcelona the wings for free, it just makes me laugh how pathetically incapable of using crosses and physical presence they are. Such a one-dimensional team. I am convinced that with the higher quality of defending in the prem, they would have a smaller points total here than in Spain. Barely any long shots, barely any crosses and can't score for shit from non-trick-play corners = fucking stack 10 men in the box and let's do this. Sure buddy, keep thinking that The most creative team around there and they are 'one-dimensional' ? Please... Premier League hasn't win any big title in Europe since what, 6 years? There's a reason for that... Coming from a Chelsea fan it doesn't really surprise me anyway!
-_- What?! Champions league no longer a big title it seems or you may want to edit this 
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Puyol got owned on the second goal...
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xxt6r6_fc-barcelona-real-madrid-57-gol-cristiano-ronaldo-0-2_sport?start=14#.US0zJR17KSo
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On February 27 2013 07:11 Ysellian wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 07:05 WillyWanker wrote:On February 27 2013 07:02 sc4k wrote:
Watching Barca just get curbstomped by 10 defenders in the box is always a pleasing sight. When a team gives Barcelona the wings for free, it just makes me laugh how pathetically incapable of using crosses and physical presence they are. Such a one-dimensional team. I am convinced that with the higher quality of defending in the prem, they would have a smaller points total here than in Spain. Barely any long shots, barely any crosses and can't score for shit from non-trick-play corners = fucking stack 10 men in the box and let's do this. Sure buddy, keep thinking that The most creative team around there and they are 'one-dimensional' ? Please... Premier League hasn't win any big title in Europe since what, 6 years? There's a reason for that... Coming from a Chelsea fan it doesn't really surprise me anyway! -_- What?! Champions league no longer a big title it seems or you may want to edit this
The funny part is he insults him for being a Chelsea fan.
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OH hahahah I forgot about Chelsea LOL my bad. In my head it's still a title they shoudln't have won xD
My bad.
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On February 27 2013 07:02 sc4k wrote:
Watching Barca just get curbstomped by 10 defenders in the box is always a pleasing sight. When a team gives Barcelona the wings for free, it just makes me laugh how pathetically incapable of using crosses and physical presence they are. Such a one-dimensional team. I am convinced that with the higher quality of defending in the prem, they would have a smaller points total here than in Spain. Barely any long shots, barely any crosses and can't score for shit from non-trick-play corners = fucking stack 10 men in the box and let's do this.
so the fact that barca has been raping top pl teams for years now hasnt taught you anything.
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On February 27 2013 07:05 WillyWanker wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 07:02 sc4k wrote:
Watching Barca just get curbstomped by 10 defenders in the box is always a pleasing sight. When a team gives Barcelona the wings for free, it just makes me laugh how pathetically incapable of using crosses and physical presence they are. Such a one-dimensional team. I am convinced that with the higher quality of defending in the prem, they would have a smaller points total here than in Spain. Barely any long shots, barely any crosses and can't score for shit from non-trick-play corners = fucking stack 10 men in the box and let's do this. Sure buddy, keep thinking that The most creative team around there and they are 'one-dimensional' ? Please... Premier League hasn't win any big title in Europe since what, 6 years? There's a reason for that... Coming from a Chelsea fan it doesn't really surprise me anyway!
Chelsea won the CL last year...and Man U won it 5 years ago. In the 2000's, Spain has 4 wins and England has 3. Big gulf eh?
I already explicated the one-dimensionality of Barca. They may be creative with their triangle and short passing, but their long pass game, crossing, long shots, ability to win corners etc are just so hilariously lacking when compared to all the other top clubs.
No other club in the top echelons would be given the wings for FREE and not be able to do anything with it, time and time again.
On February 27 2013 07:13 clementdudu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 07:02 sc4k wrote:
Watching Barca just get curbstomped by 10 defenders in the box is always a pleasing sight. When a team gives Barcelona the wings for free, it just makes me laugh how pathetically incapable of using crosses and physical presence they are. Such a one-dimensional team. I am convinced that with the higher quality of defending in the prem, they would have a smaller points total here than in Spain. Barely any long shots, barely any crosses and can't score for shit from non-trick-play corners = fucking stack 10 men in the box and let's do this. so the fact that barca has been raping top pl teams for years now hasnt taught you anything.
True, for the past, but I'm saying that with the fact that people have finally realised how pathetic Barca are against 10 in the box, they would be broken way more often than they have in the past from now on. If they were to join the prem and play a season now. Every single match would be 10 in the box. The weakness of Barca has been exposed. The performances of Chelsea, Milan, Celtic and now RM have proven this weakness is a legit vulnerability. They have some incredible individual talents who are able to save the team from this tactical one-dimensionality but they can be contained. And they didn't even deserve to make the final in 2009.
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On February 27 2013 07:12 warding wrote:Puyol got owned on the second goal... http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xxt6r6_fc-barcelona-real-madrid-57-gol-cristiano-ronaldo-0-2_sport?start=14#.US0zJR17KSoEDIT: Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 07:11 Ysellian wrote:On February 27 2013 07:05 WillyWanker wrote:On February 27 2013 07:02 sc4k wrote:
Watching Barca just get curbstomped by 10 defenders in the box is always a pleasing sight. When a team gives Barcelona the wings for free, it just makes me laugh how pathetically incapable of using crosses and physical presence they are. Such a one-dimensional team. I am convinced that with the higher quality of defending in the prem, they would have a smaller points total here than in Spain. Barely any long shots, barely any crosses and can't score for shit from non-trick-play corners = fucking stack 10 men in the box and let's do this. Sure buddy, keep thinking that The most creative team around there and they are 'one-dimensional' ? Please... Premier League hasn't win any big title in Europe since what, 6 years? There's a reason for that... Coming from a Chelsea fan it doesn't really surprise me anyway! -_- What?! Champions league no longer a big title it seems or you may want to edit this The funny part is he insults him for being a Chelsea fan.
Where exactly? Just saying he's never gonna have objectivity because of the FUCKING DISGRACE. Put the glasses on buddy...
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On February 27 2013 07:15 sc4k wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 07:05 WillyWanker wrote:On February 27 2013 07:02 sc4k wrote:
Watching Barca just get curbstomped by 10 defenders in the box is always a pleasing sight. When a team gives Barcelona the wings for free, it just makes me laugh how pathetically incapable of using crosses and physical presence they are. Such a one-dimensional team. I am convinced that with the higher quality of defending in the prem, they would have a smaller points total here than in Spain. Barely any long shots, barely any crosses and can't score for shit from non-trick-play corners = fucking stack 10 men in the box and let's do this. Sure buddy, keep thinking that The most creative team around there and they are 'one-dimensional' ? Please... Premier League hasn't win any big title in Europe since what, 6 years? There's a reason for that... Coming from a Chelsea fan it doesn't really surprise me anyway! Chelsea won the CL last year...and Man U won it 5 years ago. In the 2000's, Spain has 4 wins and England has 3. Big gulf eh? I already explicated the one-dimensionality of Barca. They may be creative with their triangle and short passing, but their long pass game, crossing, long shots, ability to win corners etc are just so hilariously lacking when compared to all the other top clubs. No other club in the top echelons would be given the wings for FREE and not be able to do anything with it, time and time again.
And still Alves was praised all these years for being the best side back there is... And still Alba has been having a wonderful season until now... You just watch a few games and judge from that. What's true is that their style has been shifting toward using the middle too much for my taste, but they still use the wings, and this year they've been using them a lot more than last year.
Long pass, they do it a lot when they're not playing against very defensive teams. Crossing too. Yeah they're small so corners and headers are hard.
I would really advise you to watch the games were Madrid played vs turtle teams this season, just for lulz. They did absolutely nothing. Every team, even top tier team, that would play against a 'turtle strat' would have a fucking hard time. It's just that a team sees Barca = we play turtle, because it's the only way we can win something.
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On February 27 2013 07:15 sc4k wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 07:05 WillyWanker wrote:On February 27 2013 07:02 sc4k wrote:
Watching Barca just get curbstomped by 10 defenders in the box is always a pleasing sight. When a team gives Barcelona the wings for free, it just makes me laugh how pathetically incapable of using crosses and physical presence they are. Such a one-dimensional team. I am convinced that with the higher quality of defending in the prem, they would have a smaller points total here than in Spain. Barely any long shots, barely any crosses and can't score for shit from non-trick-play corners = fucking stack 10 men in the box and let's do this. Sure buddy, keep thinking that The most creative team around there and they are 'one-dimensional' ? Please... Premier League hasn't win any big title in Europe since what, 6 years? There's a reason for that... Coming from a Chelsea fan it doesn't really surprise me anyway! Chelsea won the CL last year...and Man U won it 5 years ago. In the 2000's, Spain has 4 wins and England has 3. Big gulf eh? I already explicated the one-dimensionality of Barca. They may be creative with their triangle and short passing, but their long pass game, crossing, long shots, ability to win corners etc are just so hilariously lacking when compared to all the other top clubs. No other club in the top echelons would be given the wings for FREE and not be able to do anything with it, time and time again. Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 07:13 clementdudu wrote:On February 27 2013 07:02 sc4k wrote:
Watching Barca just get curbstomped by 10 defenders in the box is always a pleasing sight. When a team gives Barcelona the wings for free, it just makes me laugh how pathetically incapable of using crosses and physical presence they are. Such a one-dimensional team. I am convinced that with the higher quality of defending in the prem, they would have a smaller points total here than in Spain. Barely any long shots, barely any crosses and can't score for shit from non-trick-play corners = fucking stack 10 men in the box and let's do this. so the fact that barca has been raping top pl teams for years now hasnt taught you anything. True, for the past, but I'm saying that with the fact that people have finally realised how pathetic Barca are against 10 in the box, they would be broken way more often than they have in the past from now on. If they were to join the prem and play a season now. Every single match would be 10 in the box. The weakness of Barca has been exposed. The performances of Chelsea, Milan, Celtic and now RM have proven this weakness is a legit vulnerability. They have some incredible individual talents who are able to save the team from this tactical one-dimensionality but they can be contained. And they didn't even deserve to make the final in 2009.
ok we agree on the fact that after 10 years of complete domination,the best team of all time is finally getting a bit old/tired/figured out.i dont think anybody was expecting them to dominate for another 20 years anyway
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Part of sc4k's point is that they don't have the physical presence in the area to make use of crosses and plays from the wing, even while they may have players capable of making plays on the wing.
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If all one needed to figure out from barca was to place one's team in a catenazzio form, then I would be considered a legendary tier manager.
Stop with the ridiculous generalisations.
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Pandemona
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Lol Willy, seems you can't take criticism of your team bro....Every team comes under scrutiny at some stage, Barca's turn now, suck it up. This is what happens when you have 2 defeats in 3 games.
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On February 27 2013 07:29 Pandemona wrote:
Lol Willy, seems you can't take criticism of your team bro....Every team comes under scrutiny at some stage, Barca's turn now, suck it up. This is what happens when you have 2 defeats in 3 games.
I can't take unjustified criticism. I'm the first to say that we played terrible tonight and vs Milan, and to say that our style hasn't pleased me for the last 2 seasons. But WE HAVEN'T BEEN FIGURED OUT.
Our style isn't crazy complicated, everybody knows how we play, but still can't beat us consistently. We have 12 points over the 2nd in la Liga, is it random? Is it just Messi? No...
I repeat myself: WE are the ONLY team playing against SUCH DEFENSIVE teams EVERY DAMN WEEK.
I repeat this: look at Madrid's game vs this playstyle, and laugh with me at their pathetic, 'one-dimensional' approach. And this Madrid has long passes skills, sufficient height to score on corners, free kicks, etc...
Add to that our physical situation and the fact that we've won almost everything the last year, then you got the real explanation for these failures... Not because Mourinho got a revelation in his dreams yesterday night...
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