On February 04 2013 03:58 Pandemona wrote: Lol no, there is a lot of yes men around Abramovich, which does not help any situation in regards to structure/manager. Our technical director in Micheal Emanalo who is advising Abramovich on most of the footballing transfers and the mentality of Chelsea FC has only got experience before taking this job in women's football, yet he is technical director at like the 6th biggest club in the world (on rankings of revenue).
The squad Benitez has should not be losing at home to QPR, drawing after being 2-0 up vs Reading and Southampton. And should not of lost away from home at Newcastle after being 2-1 up. Clearly there is something wrong somewhere with him and the players if he cannot seem to motivate them. The squad he has got should be an easy 4th place finish, if not 3rd. Carling Cup and FA Cup should be realistic targets for trophies as well with the way Chelsea can play.
Benitez mad his name with style from Liverpool and Valencia which was pretty much counter attacking football and a sturdy defense. I saw a decent defense for his first few games, but we were drawing, but not conceding. Now we are losing and conceding more than just the one goal, that is down to his tactics. He makes crazy substitutions as of late as well, and doesn't seem to know the squad, even though he has been in the job since October/November? And has had a week in Japan with them, i just don't get what he is currently bringing to Chelsea.
To get the fans more upbeat you might as well get rid of him and give JT/Lampard the management role until the end of the season, or even Steve Holland who has been around the coaching staff for 2 years + now (since AVB and in the youth/reserves before that) so there is no reason we can't get someone else to do it. Especially considering it doesn't even look like we can finish in the top 4 at the moment.....Which means Mourinho would not come back, which is the only realistic manager we are in the market for at the moment.
I'm not saying Benitez is a great manager and that he is an asset to the club, but you can't constantly blame him for all the wrongdoing in the club. The root of the problem lies with the leaders of the club which you actually agree with (I think?). You need a team with a manager who actually have a solid idea of how to play and have that group of people form up tactics which actually last for a couple of years so the entire club can get used to your way of playing. That way players from the youth academy can play in the first team without any problems.
If the first team sacks their manager every 6 months and someone new comes and throws every shred of tactics they're just getting used to out of the window you have to start over again and again and you waste the potential of the players. To me that's just a graveyard for promising players/managers.
Frank Lampard and John Terry in management would be a good move. Getting rid of the dictator an even better one.
On February 04 2013 03:58 Pandemona wrote: Lol no, there is a lot of yes men around Abramovich, which does not help any situation in regards to structure/manager. Our technical director in Micheal Emanalo who is advising Abramovich on most of the footballing transfers and the mentality of Chelsea FC has only got experience before taking this job in women's football, yet he is technical director at like the 6th biggest club in the world (on rankings of revenue).
The squad Benitez has should not be losing at home to QPR, drawing after being 2-0 up vs Reading and Southampton. And should not of lost away from home at Newcastle after being 2-1 up. Clearly there is something wrong somewhere with him and the players if he cannot seem to motivate them. The squad he has got should be an easy 4th place finish, if not 3rd. Carling Cup and FA Cup should be realistic targets for trophies as well with the way Chelsea can play.
Benitez mad his name with style from Liverpool and Valencia which was pretty much counter attacking football and a sturdy defense. I saw a decent defense for his first few games, but we were drawing, but not conceding. Now we are losing and conceding more than just the one goal, that is down to his tactics. He makes crazy substitutions as of late as well, and doesn't seem to know the squad, even though he has been in the job since October/November? And has had a week in Japan with them, i just don't get what he is currently bringing to Chelsea.
To get the fans more upbeat you might as well get rid of him and give JT/Lampard the management role until the end of the season, or even Steve Holland who has been around the coaching staff for 2 years + now (since AVB and in the youth/reserves before that) so there is no reason we can't get someone else to do it. Especially considering it doesn't even look like we can finish in the top 4 at the moment.....Which means Mourinho would not come back, which is the only realistic manager we are in the market for at the moment.
I'm not saying Benitez is a great manager and that he is an asset to the club, but you can't constantly blame him for all the wrongdoing in the club. The root of the problem lies with the leaders of the club which you actually agree with (I think?). You need a team with a manager who actually have a solid idea of how to play and have that group of people form up tactics which actually last for a couple of years so the entire club can get used to your way of playing. That way players from the youth academy can play in the first team without any problems.
If the first team sacks their manager every 6 months and someone new comes and throws every shred of tactics they're just getting used to out of the window you have to start over again and again and you waste the potential of the players. To me that's just a graveyard for promising players/managers.
Frank Lampard and John Terry in management would be a good move. Getting rid of the dictator an even better one.
They owe him like a gajillion dollars lol. They cant get rid of him ever.
Valencia are doing great defensively. If their players in attack were a bit more accurate, balanced and clinical they would be 3 goals up on Barcelona, whose defence has been shockingly sloppy at times.
On February 04 2013 03:58 Pandemona wrote: The squad Benitez has should not be losing at home to QPR, drawing after being 2-0 up vs Reading and Southampton. And should not of lost away from home at Newcastle after being 2-1 up. Clearly there is something wrong somewhere with him and the players if he cannot seem to motivate them. The squad he has got should be an easy 4th place finish, if not 3rd. Carling Cup and FA Cup should be realistic targets for trophies as well with the way Chelsea can play.
I don't hugely disagree...but what have the possession and SOT statistics been like? I mean maybe it's just been a bit of bad luck.
On February 04 2013 03:58 Pandemona wrote: Lol no, there is a lot of yes men around Abramovich, which does not help any situation in regards to structure/manager. Our technical director in Micheal Emanalo who is advising Abramovich on most of the footballing transfers and the mentality of Chelsea FC has only got experience before taking this job in women's football, yet he is technical director at like the 6th biggest club in the world (on rankings of revenue).
The squad Benitez has should not be losing at home to QPR, drawing after being 2-0 up vs Reading and Southampton. And should not of lost away from home at Newcastle after being 2-1 up. Clearly there is something wrong somewhere with him and the players if he cannot seem to motivate them. The squad he has got should be an easy 4th place finish, if not 3rd. Carling Cup and FA Cup should be realistic targets for trophies as well with the way Chelsea can play.
Benitez mad his name with style from Liverpool and Valencia which was pretty much counter attacking football and a sturdy defense. I saw a decent defense for his first few games, but we were drawing, but not conceding. Now we are losing and conceding more than just the one goal, that is down to his tactics. He makes crazy substitutions as of late as well, and doesn't seem to know the squad, even though he has been in the job since October/November? And has had a week in Japan with them, i just don't get what he is currently bringing to Chelsea.
To get the fans more upbeat you might as well get rid of him and give JT/Lampard the management role until the end of the season, or even Steve Holland who has been around the coaching staff for 2 years + now (since AVB and in the youth/reserves before that) so there is no reason we can't get someone else to do it. Especially considering it doesn't even look like we can finish in the top 4 at the moment.....Which means Mourinho would not come back, which is the only realistic manager we are in the market for at the moment.
I'm not saying Benitez is a great manager and that he is an asset to the club, but you can't constantly blame him for all the wrongdoing in the club. The root of the problem lies with the leaders of the club which you actually agree with (I think?). You need a team with a manager who actually have a solid idea of how to play and have that group of people form up tactics which actually last for a couple of years so the entire club can get used to your way of playing. That way players from the youth academy can play in the first team without any problems.
If the first team sacks their manager every 6 months and someone new comes and throws every shred of tactics they're just getting used to out of the window you have to start over again and again and you waste the potential of the players. To me that's just a graveyard for promising players/managers.
Frank Lampard and John Terry in management would be a good move. Getting rid of the dictator an even better one.
They owe him like a gajillion dollars lol. They cant get rid of him ever.
On February 04 2013 04:49 sc4k wrote: Valencia are doing great defensively. If their players in attack were a bit more accurate, balanced and clinical they would be 3 goals up on Barcelona, whose defence has been shockingly sloppy at times.
I think its more the pressing. With that much pressing they are going to nick the ball a few times in 90 minutes. Very few teams actually are able to press that hard for 90 minutes. It was actually amazing to see how hard they worked.
If a long ball club got pressed like that theyd be crying their eyes out.
And I guess theres no credit to Valdez for those saves right ? It was Valencia who werent clinical ...
Valencia are no mugs, they tied Munich for points in the CL group. Probably better if not just as good a team as 3-7 in the PL.
On February 04 2013 03:58 Pandemona wrote: Lol no, there is a lot of yes men around Abramovich, which does not help any situation in regards to structure/manager. Our technical director in Micheal Emanalo who is advising Abramovich on most of the footballing transfers and the mentality of Chelsea FC has only got experience before taking this job in women's football, yet he is technical director at like the 6th biggest club in the world (on rankings of revenue).
The squad Benitez has should not be losing at home to QPR, drawing after being 2-0 up vs Reading and Southampton. And should not of lost away from home at Newcastle after being 2-1 up. Clearly there is something wrong somewhere with him and the players if he cannot seem to motivate them. The squad he has got should be an easy 4th place finish, if not 3rd. Carling Cup and FA Cup should be realistic targets for trophies as well with the way Chelsea can play.
Benitez mad his name with style from Liverpool and Valencia which was pretty much counter attacking football and a sturdy defense. I saw a decent defense for his first few games, but we were drawing, but not conceding. Now we are losing and conceding more than just the one goal, that is down to his tactics. He makes crazy substitutions as of late as well, and doesn't seem to know the squad, even though he has been in the job since October/November? And has had a week in Japan with them, i just don't get what he is currently bringing to Chelsea.
To get the fans more upbeat you might as well get rid of him and give JT/Lampard the management role until the end of the season, or even Steve Holland who has been around the coaching staff for 2 years + now (since AVB and in the youth/reserves before that) so there is no reason we can't get someone else to do it. Especially considering it doesn't even look like we can finish in the top 4 at the moment.....Which means Mourinho would not come back, which is the only realistic manager we are in the market for at the moment.
I'm not saying Benitez is a great manager and that he is an asset to the club, but you can't constantly blame him for all the wrongdoing in the club. The root of the problem lies with the leaders of the club which you actually agree with (I think?). You need a team with a manager who actually have a solid idea of how to play and have that group of people form up tactics which actually last for a couple of years so the entire club can get used to your way of playing. That way players from the youth academy can play in the first team without any problems.
If the first team sacks their manager every 6 months and someone new comes and throws every shred of tactics they're just getting used to out of the window you have to start over again and again and you waste the potential of the players. To me that's just a graveyard for promising players/managers.
Frank Lampard and John Terry in management would be a good move. Getting rid of the dictator an even better one.
They owe him three league titles and a champions league. Without Abramovich, no Mourinho, no Drogba and the crap load of other players he has brought into the team. It's not a style of management I enjoy to be perfectly honest, but it's one that has proven to win trophies with the right manager and players.
Abramovich is a child with a lot of money. He just needs a better set of parents (advisers).
On February 04 2013 03:58 Pandemona wrote: Lol no, there is a lot of yes men around Abramovich, which does not help any situation in regards to structure/manager. Our technical director in Micheal Emanalo who is advising Abramovich on most of the footballing transfers and the mentality of Chelsea FC has only got experience before taking this job in women's football, yet he is technical director at like the 6th biggest club in the world (on rankings of revenue).
The squad Benitez has should not be losing at home to QPR, drawing after being 2-0 up vs Reading and Southampton. And should not of lost away from home at Newcastle after being 2-1 up. Clearly there is something wrong somewhere with him and the players if he cannot seem to motivate them. The squad he has got should be an easy 4th place finish, if not 3rd. Carling Cup and FA Cup should be realistic targets for trophies as well with the way Chelsea can play.
Benitez mad his name with style from Liverpool and Valencia which was pretty much counter attacking football and a sturdy defense. I saw a decent defense for his first few games, but we were drawing, but not conceding. Now we are losing and conceding more than just the one goal, that is down to his tactics. He makes crazy substitutions as of late as well, and doesn't seem to know the squad, even though he has been in the job since October/November? And has had a week in Japan with them, i just don't get what he is currently bringing to Chelsea.
To get the fans more upbeat you might as well get rid of him and give JT/Lampard the management role until the end of the season, or even Steve Holland who has been around the coaching staff for 2 years + now (since AVB and in the youth/reserves before that) so there is no reason we can't get someone else to do it. Especially considering it doesn't even look like we can finish in the top 4 at the moment.....Which means Mourinho would not come back, which is the only realistic manager we are in the market for at the moment.
I'm not saying Benitez is a great manager and that he is an asset to the club, but you can't constantly blame him for all the wrongdoing in the club. The root of the problem lies with the leaders of the club which you actually agree with (I think?). You need a team with a manager who actually have a solid idea of how to play and have that group of people form up tactics which actually last for a couple of years so the entire club can get used to your way of playing. That way players from the youth academy can play in the first team without any problems.
If the first team sacks their manager every 6 months and someone new comes and throws every shred of tactics they're just getting used to out of the window you have to start over again and again and you waste the potential of the players. To me that's just a graveyard for promising players/managers.
Frank Lampard and John Terry in management would be a good move. Getting rid of the dictator an even better one.
They owe him like a gajillion dollars lol. They cant get rid of him ever.
They owe him three league titles and a champions league. Without Abramovich, no Mourinho, no Drogba and the crap load of other players he has brought into the team. It's not a style of management I enjoy to be perfectly honest, but it's one that has proven to win trophies with the right manager and players.
Yea, thats true. You cant take away what hes done for Chelsea. But any ideas of getting rid of him cant exist is all Im saying.
On February 04 2013 03:58 Pandemona wrote: Lol no, there is a lot of yes men around Abramovich, which does not help any situation in regards to structure/manager. Our technical director in Micheal Emanalo who is advising Abramovich on most of the footballing transfers and the mentality of Chelsea FC has only got experience before taking this job in women's football, yet he is technical director at like the 6th biggest club in the world (on rankings of revenue).
The squad Benitez has should not be losing at home to QPR, drawing after being 2-0 up vs Reading and Southampton. And should not of lost away from home at Newcastle after being 2-1 up. Clearly there is something wrong somewhere with him and the players if he cannot seem to motivate them. The squad he has got should be an easy 4th place finish, if not 3rd. Carling Cup and FA Cup should be realistic targets for trophies as well with the way Chelsea can play.
Benitez mad his name with style from Liverpool and Valencia which was pretty much counter attacking football and a sturdy defense. I saw a decent defense for his first few games, but we were drawing, but not conceding. Now we are losing and conceding more than just the one goal, that is down to his tactics. He makes crazy substitutions as of late as well, and doesn't seem to know the squad, even though he has been in the job since October/November? And has had a week in Japan with them, i just don't get what he is currently bringing to Chelsea.
To get the fans more upbeat you might as well get rid of him and give JT/Lampard the management role until the end of the season, or even Steve Holland who has been around the coaching staff for 2 years + now (since AVB and in the youth/reserves before that) so there is no reason we can't get someone else to do it. Especially considering it doesn't even look like we can finish in the top 4 at the moment.....Which means Mourinho would not come back, which is the only realistic manager we are in the market for at the moment.
I'm not saying Benitez is a great manager and that he is an asset to the club, but you can't constantly blame him for all the wrongdoing in the club. The root of the problem lies with the leaders of the club which you actually agree with (I think?). You need a team with a manager who actually have a solid idea of how to play and have that group of people form up tactics which actually last for a couple of years so the entire club can get used to your way of playing. That way players from the youth academy can play in the first team without any problems.
If the first team sacks their manager every 6 months and someone new comes and throws every shred of tactics they're just getting used to out of the window you have to start over again and again and you waste the potential of the players. To me that's just a graveyard for promising players/managers.
Frank Lampard and John Terry in management would be a good move. Getting rid of the dictator an even better one.
They owe him like a gajillion dollars lol. They cant get rid of him ever.
They owe him three league titles and a champions league. Without Abramovich, no Mourinho, no Drogba and the crap load of other players he has brought into the team. It's not a style of management I enjoy to be perfectly honest, but it's one that has proven to win trophies with the right manager and players.
Yea, thats true. You cant take away what hes done for Chelsea. But any ideas of getting rid of him cant exist is all Im saying.
Sorry I was replying to Twisted, but too lazy to remove you from the quote XD
On February 04 2013 04:49 sc4k wrote: Valencia are doing great defensively. If their players in attack were a bit more accurate, balanced and clinical they would be 3 goals up on Barcelona, whose defence has been shockingly sloppy at times.
And I guess theres no credit to Valdez for those saves right ? It was Valencia who werent clinical ... Valencia are no mugs, they tied Munich for points in the CL group. Probably better if not just as good a team as 3-7 in the PL.
They just kept passing slightly inaccurately right when it mattered, cissokho like slipped up twice, they scuffed shots. And the double save that valdes had was really due firstly to the cross being too close to him and secondly it was a solid brave dive but the shot was pretty close to him. Valdes did make some good plays though. I agree that Valencia are a great team on their day...well coached. Canales looks to be a real talent.
I actually hope Barcelona slip up a little and Atletico make things interesting. It would be kinda boring, even for a Barcelona fan, to see them win the title in march.
I know its not from this year but i struggled to find an appropriate place for a homage to one of my favorite footballers (i don't really think it warrants a new thread), so this will have to do. Matthew Le Tissier is a Premier League legend. He played for Southampton for 12 years, his only club, scored over 100 goals and scored about 50 penalties (only missing one).
A look at his top ten goals will probably tell you something about Matt Le Tissier: Messi he was not. The guy had no pace, and pretty much couldn't be bothered about half the time. But his ability to score from distance was unbelievable. Not just ordinary long range goals either, when 'Le God' hit the ball, it would curl wildly into the top corner. He also had a fantastic touch, which meant he could beat defenders who usually outpaced him significantly.
On February 04 2013 14:12 Jockmcplop wrote: I know its not from this year but i struggled to find an appropriate place for a homage to one of my favorite footballers (i don't really think it warrants a new thread), so this will have to do. Matthew Le Tissier is a Premier League legend. He played for Southampton for 12 years, his only club, scored over 100 goals and scored about 50 penalties (only missing one).
A look at his top ten goals will probably tell you something about Matt Le Tissier: Messi he was not. The guy had no pace, and pretty much couldn't be bothered about half the time. But his ability to score from distance was unbelievable. Not just ordinary long range goals either, when 'Le God' hit the ball, it would curl wildly into the top corner. He also had a fantastic touch, which meant he could beat defenders who usually outpaced him significantly.
Kind of weird to have someone like Tissier and then proceed to not use him in the English squad. You would have at least been sure to not lose on penalties.
On February 04 2013 03:58 Pandemona wrote: Lol no, there is a lot of yes men around Abramovich, which does not help any situation in regards to structure/manager. Our technical director in Micheal Emanalo who is advising Abramovich on most of the footballing transfers and the mentality of Chelsea FC has only got experience before taking this job in women's football, yet he is technical director at like the 6th biggest club in the world (on rankings of revenue).
The squad Benitez has should not be losing at home to QPR, drawing after being 2-0 up vs Reading and Southampton. And should not of lost away from home at Newcastle after being 2-1 up. Clearly there is something wrong somewhere with him and the players if he cannot seem to motivate them. The squad he has got should be an easy 4th place finish, if not 3rd. Carling Cup and FA Cup should be realistic targets for trophies as well with the way Chelsea can play.
Benitez mad his name with style from Liverpool and Valencia which was pretty much counter attacking football and a sturdy defense. I saw a decent defense for his first few games, but we were drawing, but not conceding. Now we are losing and conceding more than just the one goal, that is down to his tactics. He makes crazy substitutions as of late as well, and doesn't seem to know the squad, even though he has been in the job since October/November? And has had a week in Japan with them, i just don't get what he is currently bringing to Chelsea.
To get the fans more upbeat you might as well get rid of him and give JT/Lampard the management role until the end of the season, or even Steve Holland who has been around the coaching staff for 2 years + now (since AVB and in the youth/reserves before that) so there is no reason we can't get someone else to do it. Especially considering it doesn't even look like we can finish in the top 4 at the moment.....Which means Mourinho would not come back, which is the only realistic manager we are in the market for at the moment.
I'm not saying Benitez is a great manager and that he is an asset to the club, but you can't constantly blame him for all the wrongdoing in the club. The root of the problem lies with the leaders of the club which you actually agree with (I think?). You need a team with a manager who actually have a solid idea of how to play and have that group of people form up tactics which actually last for a couple of years so the entire club can get used to your way of playing. That way players from the youth academy can play in the first team without any problems.
If the first team sacks their manager every 6 months and someone new comes and throws every shred of tactics they're just getting used to out of the window you have to start over again and again and you waste the potential of the players. To me that's just a graveyard for promising players/managers.
Frank Lampard and John Terry in management would be a good move. Getting rid of the dictator an even better one.
We have a structure in the Youth & reserve squads since Ancelotti's last year (2010) is when we restructured the Youth and Reserve set ups to play and be taught like we want it to be. So we have had that all in place since 2010, when the proper restructure happened. We also bought the Arsenal youth manager back in 2007, to run our Youth team, he has had good success too, winning the FA Youth Cup twice since 2007. Our kids play really well, and great passing/attacking football exactly what our Owner wants and what is being asked of them. The reason Piazon and Ake are sat on Chelsea's bench is similar to that of what is being forced upon Mourinho (similar!) that Roman wants to see Kids being pushed through so his big investment on youth has an actual great player from it. We do have a lot of talents in that though. Feruz is a under 21 international with Scotland and he scores for fun at all levels, a great striker. We also have Bamford another under 21 international who scores for fun. Then we have the likes of Piazon (on loan at Malaga) and Nathan Ake, who im sure you would of seen sat on the bench, looks like Ruud Gullit's twin (from back in the day).
But moving back to the point, the Chelsea manager is not being asked for major input on the club anymore, not since Mourinho has a manager had a major input on the policies and running of the club. Ancelotti/AVB/RDM/Benitez have all just got given a squad of players and told to win with it, that then makes it come down to their management. They just get asked to play a bit of attacking football (in the likes of AVB/RDM were) if you think about the style of football Abramovich wants, passing and attacking/flair football, it is not that different when a new manager comes in and especially one that has had time, Ancelotti and AVB (don't forget AVB had a whole summer of pre season to "nail on his tactics).
Abramovich imo always wants the best for the club and has proved this on many occasions, the way he got rid of RDM was a bit harsh maybe, but it was the right thing to do, maybe not in the terms of popularity, but we were playing every game without a back 4. He bought Rafa in because Rafa told him he would get us top 4 and challenging for domestic trophies, and he hasn't at this moment in time. He told Rafa just to get the job done, he didn't care what kind of football he bought to the club just wanted us to win games. But he hasn't done that, he has put the club on rock bottom. Fans still crying at RDM going and now the anti Christ in Benitez has taken over, a guy who has said many a bad thing about Chelsea in his time at Liverpool and as a pundit. Getting rid of him and giving the rest of the season to JT/Lamps or Holland would give a huge lift to the crowd. But i guess he shouldn't do that as everyone would then kick up a fuss again and claim Rafa wasn't given enough time, Chelsea sack managers to quickly, blah blah blah. Not like Roman cares, but the press love to jump on the band wagon.
On February 04 2013 17:22 Ysellian wrote: Kind of weird to have someone like Tissier and then proceed to not use him in the English squad. You would have at least been sure to not lose on penalties.
I don't really remember the details anymore, but it definitely seems like he was at times omitted from the squad due to reasons not related to actual playing ability.
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