EPT2012 - 2013 Football Thread! - Page 220
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Sated
England4983 Posts
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BeaTeR
Kazakhstan4130 Posts
On January 16 2013 02:00 WillyWanker wrote: Tonight Arsenal-Swansea 8.45, am I wrong? Yes you are | ||
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WillyWanker
France1915 Posts
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TanGeng
Sanya12364 Posts
On January 16 2013 02:27 Sated wrote: It means they're not world-class defenders since they lack the skills required to defend compared to actual world-class defenders. They fit in at Barcelona, but there aren't many other teams where they'd be regarded so highly. They also work for Spain and saying that the two teams are pretty good is an understatement. In a few words, the two teams are redefining requirements for defenders. It remains to be see if other clubs will attempt to follow suit and if it will ever be popular any where else but Barcelona and Spain, but I don't see any reason to be so stuck on such a narrow unadaptive definition of defender. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18776 Posts
He has all the abilities needed, you cant call JT world class and say in the same sentence Puyol is not. Pique however is vastly overrated. I mean he blew in ManUtd. That already shows enough how "good" he is. He is one of the fortunate players to be able to play in the best midfield of the world. Spain doesn't concede a lot of goals because Pique is good. They don't concede a lot because they have one of the most clutch and best goalkeepers the world has ever seen and a magical midfield which can keep the ball like crazy. But even a midfield can have its limits as seen in 2010. Without either one of Casillas, Puyol or Villa Spain would have never ever won that title. | ||
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Navi
5286 Posts
On January 16 2013 03:01 WillyWanker wrote: French website's fucked up I guess then, my bad for those of you who dont use it, if you type a team's name into google i think they automatically show their upcoming matches. so useful for me ^^ | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On January 15 2013 21:59 Twisted wrote: lol 'good' argument, the Torres goal. It was injury time and they were playing with everyone forward to try to get a goal because they were 1 down. There weren't any defenders back there to stop that goal. Obviously that goal would not happen if they were ahead or on equal terms. Hes a troll, dont take him seriously. Some brits will never see the light, and hes the kind of United fan other peoeple hate United for. They will fit in other teams just fine. If anything they'd be alot happier with all the cover they'd get. On a side note the comments here about Barca's high possesion being the sole reason they dont concede is rather rubbish. 2 players covering half the pitch could be positional wizards and good enough players will find space. Heck even the not so good ones will frequently. And generally at the top level in Spain or any other league, players ARE good enough. They can string a few passes together and find space. Obviously when the high risk stuff gets exposed the defenders look bad eliciting the "woaah where the defense comments." and that has nothing to do with the defenders themselves. You ask them to sit back they'll do it just fine, but thats not how theyre team plays. Assuming that they arent flexible enough to do otherwise is absolute rubbish. Hell if I may be so bold to use the analogy the F1 driver if asked to drive a regular manual Sedan would probably rock that one to. | ||
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England4983 Posts
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WillyWanker
France1915 Posts
On January 16 2013 03:57 Navi wrote: for those of you who dont use it, if you type a team's name into google i think they automatically show their upcoming matches. so useful for me ^^ I knew that, I just thought I could trust the official website of the only Sports newspaper in France. They're already terrible at writting, if they can't even tell me the good schedule, its a damn shame! You guys are lucky to live in a real football country zzzz  | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On January 16 2013 04:05 Sated wrote: Spain and Barcelona are basically the same team, especially in terms of playstyle. The reasons Puyol and Pique work for Barcelona are the same reasons why they work for Spain. EDIT: Rebs, you're cute, but I can assure you United fans from Manchester who've supported United their whole lives are not the kind of United fans that people hate United fans because of. Oh right, theyve never played anywhere else at the top level thats why they wont work anywhere else. Solid stuff. Bravo And slow down, I'm not talking about fair weather's, Im just talking about the cynical ones that lack insight theres just as many of those amongst the "life time supporters". No intelligent human being actually hates united for the former, or Chelsea or any other club for that matter I certainly wouldnt. Its also cute you feel defensive enough to point that out the strength of your allegiance. I wasnt really questioning it but nice to know. | ||
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Sated
England4983 Posts
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On January 16 2013 04:11 Sated wrote: Pique wasn't considered a strong defensive talent at United. We considered Evans to be better defensively. We saw potential for development, but then he went back to Barcelona and hasn't developed defensively as a result. Puyol has always played for Barcelona. Where else have they played at a top level? You're such a fucking moron it's untrue. EDIT: You're actually incredibly wrong about the fan thing. People hate United fans because of the mass surplus of plastic fans that we possess. If you've ever lived in England then you should know this. That people dislike fans with poor knowledge is a general thing and has little to do with why people hate United fans; I can see why you might be confused since plastic fans tend to fall into the poor knowledge category as well. Pardon me, but what does "plastic fan" mean? I've never heard the term. | ||
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StarVe
Germany13591 Posts
Guy is a beast, he's amazing 1v1 and has more willpower and leadership than anyone else I've seen play in my lifetime. As a defender myself, he's absolutely my idol. | ||
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Sated
England4983 Posts
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haitike
Spain2745 Posts
But Puyol is a pure phisical defender. He is the most "faster reaction" defender I have seen. The most passionate and the defender with most love for his team I have seen. One of the best stealing the ball and defending at maximum level. He is different to the other Barcelona players that are more technical, he is more physical that other Barcelona players. You are comparing Puyol Style with Pique Style, but they are very different players. Puyol would have been the best defender in any team instead of Barcelona this last 13 years. In any team in any league He would have been a top world-class defender. I think, You maybe dont remember Puyol playstyle well, because He has been injured this last 2 years lot of time. He has played with other system different to the current "tikitaka" one and He was great too. Common, He played with VanGaal  | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On January 16 2013 04:28 Sated wrote: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Plastic Fan I'm gonna clarify here: I don't think that Pique and Puyol are bad defensively, I just don't think they're world-class either. They fit in with Barcelona/Spain for a very specific set of reasons that really aren't replicated at any of the other big European sides (either in club football or national level football). If you're going to tell me that you think Puyol is better in the air, better at tackling, better positionally or stronger than Vidic/Kompany et al. then I'm going to have to assume that you're trolling. As for Pique, put Pique in Chelsea's squad and he'll look just as bad as Luiz has done at times. But they both fit in at Barcelona because they're both very good on the ball for CBs. lol Puyols, nickname is high jumper in certain circles i know of, hes pretty good in the air. Hes had his weak years Ill be the first to admit but the last half of the decade there hasnt been anyone much better. And the way Vidic got mauled by Torress he'd have a hard time covering the stuff Puyol does, and Kompany has really only stepped it up in the last 2. Now have them chase down young Torress or similar level strikers day in day out. Vidic would cry his yes out and Kompany would barely manage. Puyol isnt particularly good on the ball either. Hes above average because .. well lol Barca, but way way below Barca standards. Pique is no David luiz either. Hes positioning aside from a weak spell last spring is significantly better, although they are stylisitcally similar. You have absolutely no clue. Its embarrasing, stop (and I mean this sincerely). Atleast talk about teams you watch frequently. | ||
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RvB
Netherlands6326 Posts
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Twisted
Netherlands13554 Posts
Gogo Valencia! | ||
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Twisted
Netherlands13554 Posts
For those not in the know; he didn't wish to downgrade his running contract (until 2015) for a new contract so he doesn't get any playtime. Now his salary is just too big for Inter to pay so they want to get rid of him. Anyway, only 2 years ago he was one of the absolute best midfielders and I think he could still reach that level given his age. Just needs a team that gives him what he needs. | ||
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
On January 16 2013 04:11 Sated wrote: Puyol has always played for Barcelona. Where else have they played at a top level? You're such a fucking moron it's untrue. EDIT: User was temp banned for this post. I'll jump right there in your nutwagon as soon as you admit that Giggs was grossly overestimated cause he only played for man.u and didn't prove himself in other leagues. )) *ohhhh, why did u temp'd him, i had the ace question,((. | ||
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