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Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
January 08 2013 17:19 GMT
#4081
Please do not talk about great passers without mentioning Totti.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-08 17:25:39
January 08 2013 17:21 GMT
#4082
On January 09 2013 01:50 WillyWanker wrote:
Well this position requires a lot of experience, it's about decision making, so the more matches, the better he becomes.
During his early years, he was young, and before Guardiola, the team was a mess. Look at Iniesta, are you contesting that he would not fit in another team? I highly doubt it, and Iniesta before Guardiola wasn't even a starting player in Barcelona. Look at what he became... Maturity means a higher tactical level as well as better decision making.
I agree though that Xavi needs a certain system to shine. The same system Pirlo shines in: 1 or 2 purely defensive players around him (Gattuso, Busquets) so he has space and doesn't need to waste energy on getting the ball back for your team.


Actually Iniesta was well in the first team before Guardiola.

Iniesta is also significantly younger than Xavi and didnt spend years in limbo. He is infact still young and a very different player to Xavi. There is no suggestion that Iniesta wouldnt have become as good as he is before Guardiola,

Again what you are doing is conjecture. You cant make the same arguements for Messi and such because that would be just guessing.You have half a decade and more of footage of Xavi being just above average and nothing special.

Big difference.
WillyWanker
Profile Joined December 2011
France1915 Posts
January 08 2013 17:42 GMT
#4083
It's easy to hit on the midfielder when the whole team wasnt even acting as one. Between Xavi's career start and the arrival of Guardiola, Barcelona have had maybe 2-3 years (out of 9) of great play, which was the 2 years and a half where Rijkaard built a really strong team. Before that and after that, the team was far far far from the level at which it is now you can't even compare... If the teammates don't work for you, when you are a pure teamplayet like Xavi, you're screwed. When he has players around him doing the dirty work he shines, when they don't give a crap, well Xavi ain't Busquets, he's not gonna tackle everybody..
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-08 17:55:09
January 08 2013 17:51 GMT
#4084
On January 09 2013 02:42 WillyWanker wrote:
It's easy to hit on the midfielder when the whole team wasnt even acting as one. Between Xavi's career start and the arrival of Guardiola, Barcelona have had maybe 2-3 years (out of 9) of great play, which was the 2 years and a half where Rijkaard built a really strong team. Before that and after that, the team was far far far from the level at which it is now you can't even compare... If the teammates don't work for you, when you are a pure teamplayet like Xavi, you're screwed. When he has players around him doing the dirty work he shines, when they don't give a crap, well Xavi ain't Busquets, he's not gonna tackle everybody..


Your making my point for me. Im not hitting on anything, fact is he requires his setup to be as good as he is. And there is nothing wrong with that. But he still requires it. Sure its a team sport and I have no point said that Xavi is not one of the greatest ever. This is why people call fanboy.

Your making excuses for criticism that isnt even all that meaningful.

All of this is irrelevant and stemming from me saying I'd rather have Yaya Toure in the team of the year. There is no need to get horny over Xavi just because I feel like Yaya Toure was a more valuable player over the course of the year than him or Xabi Alonso and frankly he was.

Xabi Alonso is not as good a player as Xavi to me, but hes certainly more versatile and has excelled in various setups. Thats a big deal whether you like it or not.

And judging by how valuable you were to a major league winner I feel like Yaya shouldve gotten some plaudits. Thats all. No need to make it anything bigger than it is.
WillyWanker
Profile Joined December 2011
France1915 Posts
January 08 2013 17:56 GMT
#4085
That's just the way you said all that about Xavi makes me think you believe that Xavi would only work in Barcelona and no other club because he could only shine in a very very very specific system, which I think is wrong. He would work in any team that has tactically devoted teamplayers like Juventus, MU, hell he would even work in Real Madrid if they had a slightly more controlled playstyle.
Salteador Neo
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Andorra5591 Posts
January 08 2013 17:57 GMT
#4086
Actually Xavi was a beast several years ago already. It was just when both the national team and barça performed extremely well (with Rijkaard, Guardiola and Del Bosque) that he got the credit he always deserved.

In his first year you could already tell he was gonna be big - just like Messi - and he outperformed Guardiola in his very same field spot. When he played with Van Gaal he was very good but having Kluivert (and worse guys) as the main scorerers is way different than having Eto'o, Ronaldo, Ronaldinho or Messi.
Revolutionist fan
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-08 19:15:49
January 08 2013 19:11 GMT
#4087
On January 09 2013 02:56 WillyWanker wrote:
That's just the way you said all that about Xavi makes me think you believe that Xavi would only work in Barcelona and no other club because he could only shine in a very very very specific system, which I think is wrong. He would work in any team that has tactically devoted teamplayers like Juventus, MU, hell he would even work in Real Madrid if they had a slightly more controlled playstyle.


No I didnt say he wouldnt work. I said he wouldnt be as good. And he was just above average and give me a fucking break Kluivert and the team Van Gaal had already was pretty good. Its just Van Gaal has a special ability to fuck his clubs up like Mou around the time hes leaving.

No one would be creaming their pants if Xavi was playing in a Van Gaal team. No one. He would just be a great player. Not one of the greatest*. Big difference.

He wasnt particularly valuable to Rikjaards team either. I dont know what you guys were watching but he was just a good solid spanish playmaker to have.

I bet even Guily got more starts than him during 05-06. (then again i think he was injured)
Ysellian
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands9029 Posts
January 08 2013 21:01 GMT
#4088
On January 09 2013 00:34 Telcontar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2013 23:51 Ysellian wrote:
On January 08 2013 21:31 Littlemuff wrote:
On January 08 2013 21:06 Salteador Neo wrote:
Xavi is miles ahead of Scholes as a passer lol, the red devil is good but it's not even close.

Maradona said it himself, whenever we see Xavi play it's like attending a master class about football.

Also I guess Busquets would need to move teams to get the recognition of the international press, like Touré did.

Maradona also hates English Football. Remember all the shit he said to the media about Aguero joining Man City?

Also didn't Xavi say something similar about Scholes?


I just googled the interview. Xavi said Scholes was the best midfielder. Still if you look only at passing ability Scholes can't match Xavi I feel. The guy is so unbelievably good at it that it hides his lack of versatility. Like Rebs said, there is definitely some truth that Xavi would probably not fit into the majority of teams in the world.

I'm sorry, but define what you mean by 'lack of versatility', because I really don't know where this is coming from. He would almost certainly walk into most teams in the world, and great ones at that. His fitness level, at age 32, is still top-notch, as is his passing (as you mentioned), ball control, pressing, dribbling, and decision making. His pace might be lacking, but he has a good turn of speed which is pretty much all you need as a playmaker, and he also makes well-timed tackles more often than not. He has proved that he can get forward and score goals too, but his duty as a deep lying playmaker rarely let's him do so.

People tend to get too hung up on one aspect of a player, which is deemed his/her best. Xavi is about so much more than just passing, even past his peak. His lack of a physical presence is a downside, but it's easily compensated by everything else


The bolded statement just proves my point. What other position on the pitch would you put Xavi in, if not for his current position? He's short, lacks pace (as you mentioned) and has no physical presence to speak off. Obviously he has more skills than just his passing ability, but it's the ability that makes him the playmaker. Guys like Yaya Touré and Gerrard can and have been played in far more positions than Xavi could ever realistically play in.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-08 21:45:17
January 08 2013 21:22 GMT
#4089

Carling Cup Semi Final 1st Leg

Bradford 3-1 Aston Villa

Full Time



Want to add, the way "away" goals work in this cup competition is that, if the aggregate score is a tie at the end of the 2nd leg, then it goes to extra time. If after extra time it is still a tie, before it goes to penalties it will add in "away goals" rule.

So if Villa win 2-0 at home it will go to extra time, if after 120minutes at Villa Park it is still 2-0 Villa, they will go through on away goals.

Bradford are in League One (aka division 3)
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
BeaTeR
Profile Joined March 2003
Kazakhstan4130 Posts
January 08 2013 21:35 GMT
#4090
well... 3-1 is better than 2-0, but still
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
January 08 2013 21:46 GMT
#4091
Oh my god, just got myself on some quality information! Shall begin a post now!
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-09 00:09:51
January 08 2013 21:56 GMT
#4092
On January 08 2013 07:55 sharkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2013 07:42 Steveling wrote:
Messi is a legend.
Now get that cl trophy tnx.

*and btw, messi voted for iniesta, which could put his award at stake, while cristiano didn't vote, so he could leech another portuguese's vote on him. Stay classy cr7.


messi voted for his teammate while christiano had no one else to vote for

stop trying to interpret too much into it


And I quote straight from his lips, a mere 2 days ago, " If I could, I’d vote for myself ", yes he did say that, he's that tacky.
After reading this you should check who acted captain for portugal in their last games, for at least 1 year.
Then see who appeared as captain at the ballon d'or vote.
As a final hint I'll say that one can not vote for oneself and that national teams' captains can vote.

So, can you accept that cr7 is a dbag? xD
My dick has shrunk to the point where it looks like I have 3 balls.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-08 22:00:43
January 08 2013 21:57 GMT
#4093


Ballon d'Or - Who Voted For Who?


Henry Winter - English Press
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Vincente DelBosque - Spain Manager
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Roy Hodgson - England Manager
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Alejandro Sabella - Argentina Manager
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Ashley Williams - Wales Captain
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Zlatan Ibrahimovic - Sweden Captain
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Iker Casillas - Spain Captain
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Darren Fletcher - Scotland Captain
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Wesley Sneijder - Netherlands Captain
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Phillip Lahm - German Captain
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Lionel Messi - Argentina Captain
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ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-08 21:58:39
January 08 2013 21:58 GMT
#4094
Messi votes for Aguero ftw xD

Lol @ Sneijder too :W
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-08 22:04:58
January 08 2013 22:03 GMT
#4095
LoL at sneijder.
*also lol at casillas, wtf dude you high?xD

*manly manly manly picks from Ibra!
My dick has shrunk to the point where it looks like I have 3 balls.
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18713 Posts
January 08 2013 22:12 GMT
#4096
Loew's picks were totally wtf. Ozil 1, Neuer 2...
sc4k
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United Kingdom5454 Posts
January 09 2013 00:04 GMT
#4097
Wow Bradford you fucking beauties!!!! It looks like more people voted for Cristiano out of the pros, what's the deal?
hasuprotoss
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States4668 Posts
January 09 2013 00:19 GMT
#4098
On January 09 2013 06:22 Pandemona wrote:

Bradford are in League One (aka division 3)


Bradford are actually League Two
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?viewdays=0&show_part=5 <--- Articles Section on TL
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
January 09 2013 00:52 GMT
#4099
On January 09 2013 09:04 sc4k wrote:
Wow Bradford you fucking beauties!!!! It looks like more people voted for Cristiano out of the pros, what's the deal?


This

http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/ballond'or/playeroftheyear(men)/01/98/07/84/fboawardmenplayer2012-bycountry.pdf
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
January 09 2013 01:59 GMT
#4100
On January 09 2013 06:56 Steveling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2013 07:55 sharkie wrote:
On January 08 2013 07:42 Steveling wrote:
Messi is a legend.
Now get that cl trophy tnx.

*and btw, messi voted for iniesta, which could put his award at stake, while cristiano didn't vote, so he could leech another portuguese's vote on him. Stay classy cr7.


messi voted for his teammate while christiano had no one else to vote for

stop trying to interpret too much into it


And I quote straight from his lips, a mere 2 days ago, " If I could, I’d vote for myself ", yes he did say that, he's that tacky.
After reading this you should check who acted captain for portugal in their last games, for at least 1 year.
Then see who appeared as captain at the ballon d'or vote.
As a final hint I'll say that one can not vote for oneself and that national teams' captains can vote.

So, can you accept that cr7 is a dbag? xD

Who cares? Just forget about CR7 and admire, in full, Messi's magic and his humbleness.
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
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