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ZapRoffo
United States5544 Posts
Tahiti won the championship but that was only merged with qualifying for the group stages, so they made a new group with the 4 semifinal teams from that championship for world cup qualifying: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_FIFA_World_Cup_qualification_–_OFC_Third_Round | ||
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city42
1656 Posts
On October 18 2012 02:57 Sated wrote: If by "shit happens" you mean that Serbia should be banned from European competition for a while then I agree, "shit happens". It was an absolutely disgraceful scene caused purely by both the Serbian fans and the Serbian team/employees/representatives. It's not possible to defend the blatant racism on show through the course of this game and it needs to be really harshly punished so that a strong message that this isn't acceptable is sent to what seems (based on this and other recent evidence) to be the majority of Eastern European national team supporters. Danny Rose should have his red card rescinded as well. I don't think any rational human being can blame him for flipping a lid given the abuse he had to endure throughout that game. EDIT: England drawing to Poland is a massive blow to our chances of automatic qualification. We sat too deep after taking the lead when we should've been looking to take a strangle-hold on the game given our superior technical ability (which only really came on show when we started chasing a win towards the end, having switched into a 4-2-3-1 formation). Very poor performance. Amazingly, Serbia is denying everything and even blaming Rose! | ||
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Vernom
Spain374 Posts
I remember the case with Henry and Luis Aragones+Cesc and the one with Luis Suarez and Evra. | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On October 18 2012 03:49 Vernom wrote: Well, dunno about Serbia vs England but England is full of shit on racism. I remember the case with Henry and Luis Aragones+Cesc and the one with Luis Suarez and Evra. So you are saying that they claim racism when there isnt any orrr ? | ||
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Sated
England4983 Posts
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Vernom
Spain374 Posts
On October 18 2012 04:04 Rebs wrote: So you are saying that they claim racism when there isnt any orrr ? Bingo. | ||
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Sated
England4983 Posts
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Maenander
Germany4926 Posts
Now, can their fans really be held up to the same standards as their Western European counterparts? Keep in mind, their perspective is very different. Certainly, such behaviour can't be tolerated and that needs to be made abundantly clear. But by taking drastic measures - like a ban - one risks alienating the people in Serbia even further, and that's not what football - or any of the initiatives against racism for that matter - is about. | ||
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Vernom
Spain374 Posts
On October 18 2012 06:17 Sated wrote: Kids in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. EDIT: You can clearly hear the monkey chants when Danny Rose is leaving the field in this video. It was going on throughout the game. Absolute disgrace. I said I don't know about Serbia vs England, but there wasn't any racism in Henry vs Luis Aragones by example, your english newspapers are full of bullshit and you believe them, or you are a bunch of hypocrites. I dont need to remember the case of Luis Suarez, he received a big punishment when a english player was accused of the same and he received a much smaller punishment... | ||
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Stimp
South Africa780 Posts
On October 18 2012 19:22 Vernom wrote: I dont need to remember the case of Luis Suarez, he received a big punishment when a english player was accused of the same and he received a much smaller punishment... He wasn't punished for the same thing though. | ||
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Vernom
Spain374 Posts
On October 18 2012 19:26 Stimp wrote: He wasn't punished for the same thing though. Terry and Ferdinand case. | ||
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Tommylew
Wales2717 Posts
Goes on evidence and also that Suraez admitted he said soemthing... Terry has denied it constantly. | ||
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Stimp
South Africa780 Posts
I know what case you mean. Terry wasn't charged with racial abuse. So he never got a 'lighter punishment' because he is english. He got a different punishment because he was charged with a different thing. | ||
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Vernom
Spain374 Posts
On October 18 2012 20:47 Stimp wrote: I know what case you mean. Terry wasn't charged with racial abuse. So he never got a 'lighter punishment' because he is english. He got a different punishment because he was charged with a different thing. Terry acknowledged he insulted to Ferdinand and said things like nigger but he refused that had a racist context. Hypocresy much? | ||
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Telcontar
United Kingdom16710 Posts
On October 18 2012 20:47 Stimp wrote: I know what case you mean. Terry wasn't charged with racial abuse. So he never got a 'lighter punishment' because he is english. He got a different punishment because he was charged with a different thing. Then the very act of charging him with a lesser offence is discriminatory. Both used racially derogatory terms against the other player, but somehow Suarez got a much harsher punishment. | ||
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Stimp
South Africa780 Posts
On October 18 2012 21:16 Vernom wrote: Terry acknowledged he insulted to Ferdinand and said things like nigger but he refused that had a racist context. Hypocresy much? Are you trolling? You clearly know nothing about the case On October 18 2012 21:28 Telcontar wrote: Then the very act of charging him with a lesser offence is discriminatory. Both used racially derogatory terms against the other player, but somehow Suarez got a much harsher punishment. No. Saying it multiple times to incite an opponent and admitting to it is different to using a term to deny racially abusing someone. Do you guys know the facts of the cases? They are not nearly the same at all. | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On October 18 2012 22:02 Stimp wrote: Are you trolling? You clearly know nothing about the case No. Saying it multiple times to incite an opponent and admitting to it is different to using a term to deny racially abusing someone. Do you guys know the facts of the cases? They are not nearly the same at all. You do realise that the word negrito is common lingo and to my knowledge in no way derogatory in latin and South America. Terry on the other hand likely used words that we all know very well are not ok. I mean I couldnt give two shits. Using that language doesnt make people racist. It just means they got hot headed and said something to get in the other guys skin. I dont have a problem believing that someone of JT's character off the field would do something like that. John Terry the football is massive. But the guy can fuck his friends partner. Pretty sure using racist expletives arent beyond him. You can spin it however you want and talk about facts but at the end of it they both used language that they probably knew (Suarez less so) is often used in racist jargon. And in the current social climate thats not ok. And knowing that is the case and still doing it means they are both cunts. Very good footballers, but they are still stupid cunts. And one cunt got fucked harder than the other one. Hell one didnt even get charged for it. | ||
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Vernom
Spain374 Posts
FA is defending their english players when punishing harder to foreign players, and the english newspapers are hypocrite. We can say the same about LFP (spanish one), they are acting in favor of R.Madrid or Barça. | ||
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city42
1656 Posts
On October 18 2012 19:22 Vernom wrote: I said I don't know about Serbia vs England, but there wasn't any racism in Henry vs Luis Aragones by example, your english newspapers are full of bullshit and you believe them, or you are a bunch of hypocrites. I dont need to remember the case of Luis Suarez, he received a big punishment when a english player was accused of the same and he received a much smaller punishment... So Terry got a smaller ban than Suarez because he's English? You do realize that you could make the opposite (but still just as terrible) argument using the victims' nationalities, right? Suarez got 8 games for racially abusing a French person, and Terry got 4 for abusing an English person. Clearly this is discrimination against the English! On a more serious note, the video here is very damning. Serbia's denial looks silly when its own fans are uploading videos of the incidents. | ||
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Stimp
South Africa780 Posts
On October 18 2012 23:57 Rebs wrote: You do realise that the word negrito is common lingo and to my knowledge in no way derogatory in latin and South America. Terry on the other hand likely used words that we all know very well are not ok. I mean I couldnt give two shits. Using that language doesnt make people racist. It just means they got hot headed and said something to get in the other guys skin. I dont have a problem believing that someone of JT's character off the field would do something like that. John Terry the football is massive. But the guy can fuck his friends partner. Pretty sure using racist expletives arent beyond him. You can spin it however you want and talk about facts but at the end of it they both used language that they probably knew (Suarez less so) is often used in racist jargon. And in the current social climate thats not ok. And knowing that is the case and still doing it means they are both cunts. Very good footballers, but they are still stupid cunts. And one cunt got fucked harder than the other one. Hell one didnt even get charged for it. If Suarez had a competent lawyer he wouldn't have got it so bad, because of the latin lingo. But the point is, the FA punished one for racial abuse, terry for verbal abuse. It is not different punishments for the same crime. Slice it any way you want, there was no lighter sentence because one is english. The whole finer points of the cases can be discussed infinitum but in the end, terry didn't get a lighter sentence because he is english. He also never admitted to repeatedly calling someone a 'ni**er', as the guy who is making the accusation is saying, proving that he doesn't even know what he is talking about when making such ridiculous claims. 'Say whatever you want' is a great argument though. Guess england punish foreigners harder because... he says so. In the meanwhile, no one cares that cole gets a 90k fine for calling the fa twats for pretty much saying he lied under oath in court while ferdinand got 45k for agreeing with someone calling cole a choc ice which is arguably a worse racial offence than terry was accused of. | ||
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