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infinity21 *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada6683 Posts
July 16 2012 15:00 GMT
#5381
traps? clean ftw
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funkie
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Venezuela9376 Posts
July 16 2012 15:02 GMT
#5382
On July 17 2012 00:00 infinity21 wrote:
traps? clean ftw


cleainig for life yo.

Like cleaning as in cleaning weight. Not cleaning cleaning.
CJ Entusman #6! · Strength is the basis of athletic ability. -Rippetoe /* http://j.mp/TL-App <- TL iPhone App 2.0! */
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
July 16 2012 15:10 GMT
#5383
On July 17 2012 00:02 funkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2012 00:00 infinity21 wrote:
traps? clean ftw


cleainig for life yo.

Like cleaning as in cleaning weight. Not cleaning cleaning.

Lol funkie XD

Nice to know you have something to work on and fix, right Daigomi?
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
Daigomi
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
South Africa4316 Posts
July 16 2012 15:24 GMT
#5384
On July 17 2012 00:10 mordek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2012 00:02 funkie wrote:
On July 17 2012 00:00 infinity21 wrote:
traps? clean ftw


cleainig for life yo.

Like cleaning as in cleaning weight. Not cleaning cleaning.

Lol funkie XD

Nice to know you have something to work on and fix, right Daigomi?

Yeah, it's great. I went there thinking she was going to say "you've got tendonitis, bad luck." Instead she did proper troubleshooting and now I've got things to work on.

Regarding the cleans, it's interesting because that's the one movement she had me do over and over again to look at the problem with my traps. I didn't realise cleans worked the traps that much, but clearly I got it wrong :p My problems also began when I started doing cleans (my elbows and shoulders got sore about two weeks after I started with cleans), so yeah, I'll work on light cleans for now.
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funkie
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Venezuela9376 Posts
July 16 2012 15:31 GMT
#5385
On July 17 2012 00:24 Daigomi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2012 00:10 mordek wrote:
On July 17 2012 00:02 funkie wrote:
On July 17 2012 00:00 infinity21 wrote:
traps? clean ftw


cleainig for life yo.

Like cleaning as in cleaning weight. Not cleaning cleaning.

Lol funkie XD

Nice to know you have something to work on and fix, right Daigomi?

Yeah, it's great. I went there thinking she was going to say "you've got tendonitis, bad luck." Instead she did proper troubleshooting and now I've got things to work on.

Regarding the cleans, it's interesting because that's the one movement she had me do over and over again to look at the problem with my traps. I didn't realise cleans worked the traps that much, but clearly I got it wrong :p My problems also began when I started doing cleans (my elbows and shoulders got sore about two weeks after I started with cleans), so yeah, I'll work on light cleans for now.


everytime I do cleans, my back shoulder and traps are both destroyed and huge. It's like I have another person on my back and his chest is pointing backwards XD?
CJ Entusman #6! · Strength is the basis of athletic ability. -Rippetoe /* http://j.mp/TL-App <- TL iPhone App 2.0! */
Sneakyz
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden2361 Posts
July 16 2012 15:34 GMT
#5386
On July 16 2012 23:53 Daigomi wrote:
I've just come back from the physio. Unlike most physios, this one seemed to know what she was doing. She had me go through all the normal weightlifting movements and pointed out that my right shoulder consistently rests a bit lower than my left shoulder. Turns out my right trapezius muscle is useless. I can easily activate my left trap and move my left shoulder blade, but to move my right shoulder blade I use all the muscles except my trapezius. Anyway, that might have caused me to hurt my neck (which is now much better) and it is most likely the cause of my right arm's shoulder and elbow injuries.

To remedy this I was given a few movements to practise that should teach me how to activate my right trap. I was also told I need to do some trap exercises, anyone have any suggestions? I thought about doing light rows and assisted pull-ups where I focus on activating my traps, but I'm open to suggestions

Cleans or power shrugs are indeed good trap exercises, but if your goal is to learn how to properly activate your traps I'm not sure doing explosive movements is the best idea. I would probably start off with some really controlled shrugs+dumbbell rows with elbows out and after you feel you have decent control over your traps start with the cleans. But that's just my opinion
I have found the Iron to be my greatest friend. It never freaks out on me, never runs. Friends may come and go. But two hundred pounds is always two hundred pounds.
Daigomi
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
South Africa4316 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-16 15:47:19
July 16 2012 15:44 GMT
#5387
On July 17 2012 00:34 Sneakyz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 23:53 Daigomi wrote:
I've just come back from the physio. Unlike most physios, this one seemed to know what she was doing. She had me go through all the normal weightlifting movements and pointed out that my right shoulder consistently rests a bit lower than my left shoulder. Turns out my right trapezius muscle is useless. I can easily activate my left trap and move my left shoulder blade, but to move my right shoulder blade I use all the muscles except my trapezius. Anyway, that might have caused me to hurt my neck (which is now much better) and it is most likely the cause of my right arm's shoulder and elbow injuries.

To remedy this I was given a few movements to practise that should teach me how to activate my right trap. I was also told I need to do some trap exercises, anyone have any suggestions? I thought about doing light rows and assisted pull-ups where I focus on activating my traps, but I'm open to suggestions

Cleans or power shrugs are indeed good trap exercises, but if your goal is to learn how to properly activate your traps I'm not sure doing explosive movements is the best idea. I would probably start off with some really controlled shrugs+dumbbell rows with elbows out and after you feel you have decent control over your traps start with the cleans. But that's just my opinion

Good point. I've got some movements to learn to control my traps, but then I should also do some exercises to strengthen my right trap and to balance the strength between my traps.
On July 17 2012 00:31 funkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2012 00:24 Daigomi wrote:
On July 17 2012 00:10 mordek wrote:
On July 17 2012 00:02 funkie wrote:
On July 17 2012 00:00 infinity21 wrote:
traps? clean ftw


cleainig for life yo.

Like cleaning as in cleaning weight. Not cleaning cleaning.

Lol funkie XD

Nice to know you have something to work on and fix, right Daigomi?

Yeah, it's great. I went there thinking she was going to say "you've got tendonitis, bad luck." Instead she did proper troubleshooting and now I've got things to work on.

Regarding the cleans, it's interesting because that's the one movement she had me do over and over again to look at the problem with my traps. I didn't realise cleans worked the traps that much, but clearly I got it wrong :p My problems also began when I started doing cleans (my elbows and shoulders got sore about two weeks after I started with cleans), so yeah, I'll work on light cleans for now.


everytime I do cleans, my back shoulder and traps are both destroyed and huge. It's like I have another person on my back and his chest is pointing backwards XD?

Hahaha. My traps have felt destroyed after every workout for the last few months but I always just assumed it was normal muscle stiffness. However, when I hurt my shoulders and elbows I couldn't do any upperbody exercises for two weeks, and my traps never stopped feeling sore and stiff which made me think it might be something more serious than just muscle stiffness :p
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decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20154 Posts
July 16 2012 16:06 GMT
#5388
Cleans and snatches no question. Made my traps and back double in size.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
Deadeight
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1629 Posts
July 16 2012 17:04 GMT
#5389
Have you looked into Kroc rows?
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4734 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-16 17:21:58
July 16 2012 17:17 GMT
#5390
My quadriceps sucks. I was in the middle of a training cycle to get me to a 200kg squat again, and after having all the volume in and moving to the intensity phase, I hurt myself doing jump robe. I am not really hurt badly, but from time to time while doing a wrong movement I can get a sharp pain through my quad, and it feels unstable in general. And basically when running above ~80% intensity, every step it hurts on the backside, outside of the right knee (so basically not the knee itself).
Took 6 weeks off squatting and deadlifting, no difference. Went to the doctor and got electro and physiotherapy, plus stopped all running for 3 weeks, no difference, nor worse nor better. I would really like to kill some puppies now. I feel like a curl-bro when I go to the gym, keeping myself busy with so much upper body stuff.
Anyway, today I just squatted again, 100kg 5x5. And of course, so since nothing that I do seems to make a difference, I just keep on squatting now. Just no weights where my technic could break down. And I'll just go to the doctor and try to get him to make a MRT.
On the plusside, I broke 110kg bw for the first time (109,8), even though I had a gigantic day of feasting on saturday. 10,8kg to go.
Unlikely that Phyre is gonna meet me there in time though, he does not know how to eat
"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
infinity21 *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada6683 Posts
July 16 2012 17:40 GMT
#5391
On July 17 2012 02:17 Malinor wrote:
My quadriceps sucks. I was in the middle of a training cycle to get me to a 200kg squat again, and after having all the volume in and moving to the intensity phase, I hurt myself doing jump robe. I am not really hurt badly, but from time to time while doing a wrong movement I can get a sharp pain through my quad, and it feels unstable in general. And basically when running above ~80% intensity, every step it hurts on the backside, outside of the right knee (so basically not the knee itself).
Took 6 weeks off squatting and deadlifting, no difference. Went to the doctor and got electro and physiotherapy, plus stopped all running for 3 weeks, no difference, nor worse nor better. I would really like to kill some puppies now. I feel like a curl-bro when I go to the gym, keeping myself busy with so much upper body stuff.
Anyway, today I just squatted again, 100kg 5x5. And of course, so since nothing that I do seems to make a difference, I just keep on squatting now. Just no weights where my technic could break down. And I'll just go to the doctor and try to get him to make a MRT.
On the plusside, I broke 110kg bw for the first time (109,8), even though I had a gigantic day of feasting on saturday. 10,8kg to go.
Unlikely that Phyre is gonna meet me there in time though, he does not know how to eat

lol tell me about it. For the last 7 months I haven't been able to squat or DL anywhere near 2 plates so all I do now is bench/OHP/weighted chins + ton of assistance work

On a positive note, I smashed my old hang clean PR by 20 lbs :D
Official Entusman #21
funkie
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Venezuela9376 Posts
July 16 2012 18:14 GMT
#5392
like how this last page is all about them good traps.

needs more trap yo.

trap it

trapping

trapFUCKINGecious
CJ Entusman #6! · Strength is the basis of athletic ability. -Rippetoe /* http://j.mp/TL-App <- TL iPhone App 2.0! */
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20154 Posts
July 16 2012 18:15 GMT
#5393
I have pain in the exact same place. Not nearly as severe as it hasn't prevented me from squatting or sprinting, but id like to get rid of it.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
July 16 2012 19:07 GMT
#5394
Managed one more chinup today, 11 new rm, and as always I felt as if my sphincter was going to escape into another dimension. Isn't that, like, a near-death experience?
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
July 16 2012 19:32 GMT
#5395
On July 16 2012 20:56 Osmoses wrote:
Think my office-chair is screwing up my back. Went into saturday feeling fine but after having spent my entire weekend playing LoL my lower back hurting me :/ Kinda figures, gonna do deadlifts this evening. I'm so over working out in the morning.

LoL is a good game though.


when your back is dodgy/fucked then pretty much everything will feel like its screwing it over. i never have a day coming home from work where my back isnt aching, and its been months. you should get some naproxen/anti-inflamitory pills from your doctor.
Cool BW Music Vid - youtube.com/watch?v=W54nlqJ-Nx8 ~~~~~ ᕤ OYSTERS ᕤ CLAMS ᕤ AND ᕤ CUCKOLDS ᕤ ~~~~~~ ༼ ᕤ◕◡◕ ༽ᕤ PUNCH HIM ༼ ᕤ◕◡◕ ༽ᕤ
Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
July 16 2012 19:48 GMT
#5396
On July 17 2012 04:32 FFGenerations wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 20:56 Osmoses wrote:
Think my office-chair is screwing up my back. Went into saturday feeling fine but after having spent my entire weekend playing LoL my lower back hurting me :/ Kinda figures, gonna do deadlifts this evening. I'm so over working out in the morning.

LoL is a good game though.


when your back is dodgy/fucked then pretty much everything will feel like its screwing it over. i never have a day coming home from work where my back isnt aching, and its been months. you should get some naproxen/anti-inflamitory pills from your doctor.

Good advice I think. My back has been shit forever, even before I started lifting.
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
July 16 2012 19:51 GMT
#5397
On July 17 2012 04:48 Osmoses wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2012 04:32 FFGenerations wrote:
On July 16 2012 20:56 Osmoses wrote:
Think my office-chair is screwing up my back. Went into saturday feeling fine but after having spent my entire weekend playing LoL my lower back hurting me :/ Kinda figures, gonna do deadlifts this evening. I'm so over working out in the morning.

LoL is a good game though.


when your back is dodgy/fucked then pretty much everything will feel like its screwing it over. i never have a day coming home from work where my back isnt aching, and its been months. you should get some naproxen/anti-inflamitory pills from your doctor.

Good advice I think. My back has been shit forever, even before I started lifting.


ah has it? i thought it really started a few weeks after mine , after some dead/clean/squats. did you find anything that helps? i found recently it helps to put a pillow under your UPPER back , then if you can go to sleep like that (i find it insanely hard to sleep on my back) then when you wake up my back feels "lengthened" and kinda clicks into place a lot. but that doesnt last long, and i always feel like something is wrong, like something is not in the right place if you know what i mean, i want to click it into place but never can figure it out. i told my doctor that and she told me im a hypocondriac
Cool BW Music Vid - youtube.com/watch?v=W54nlqJ-Nx8 ~~~~~ ᕤ OYSTERS ᕤ CLAMS ᕤ AND ᕤ CUCKOLDS ᕤ ~~~~~~ ༼ ᕤ◕◡◕ ༽ᕤ PUNCH HIM ༼ ᕤ◕◡◕ ༽ᕤ
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20154 Posts
July 16 2012 20:03 GMT
#5398
Unrack 200kg from squat rack. If it doesn't crush you, your back should be in place!
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
funkie
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Venezuela9376 Posts
July 16 2012 20:18 GMT
#5399
On July 17 2012 05:03 decafchicken wrote:
Unrack 200kg from squat rack. If it doesn't crush you, your back should be in place!


I've done this with 180kg :D?
CJ Entusman #6! · Strength is the basis of athletic ability. -Rippetoe /* http://j.mp/TL-App <- TL iPhone App 2.0! */
infinity21 *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada6683 Posts
July 16 2012 20:25 GMT
#5400
On July 17 2012 04:51 FFGenerations wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2012 04:48 Osmoses wrote:
On July 17 2012 04:32 FFGenerations wrote:
On July 16 2012 20:56 Osmoses wrote:
Think my office-chair is screwing up my back. Went into saturday feeling fine but after having spent my entire weekend playing LoL my lower back hurting me :/ Kinda figures, gonna do deadlifts this evening. I'm so over working out in the morning.

LoL is a good game though.


when your back is dodgy/fucked then pretty much everything will feel like its screwing it over. i never have a day coming home from work where my back isnt aching, and its been months. you should get some naproxen/anti-inflamitory pills from your doctor.

Good advice I think. My back has been shit forever, even before I started lifting.


ah has it? i thought it really started a few weeks after mine , after some dead/clean/squats. did you find anything that helps? i found recently it helps to put a pillow under your UPPER back , then if you can go to sleep like that (i find it insanely hard to sleep on my back) then when you wake up my back feels "lengthened" and kinda clicks into place a lot. but that doesnt last long, and i always feel like something is wrong, like something is not in the right place if you know what i mean, i want to click it into place but never can figure it out. i told my doctor that and she told me im a hypocondriac

hm I think it has a lot to do with posture. Basically you have to have good posture 100% of the time or you will fuck up your back. Because I have a herniated disc, I usually sleep with something on my lower back. That seems to alleviate most of the pain I get when I wake up.
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