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SolaR-
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
United States2685 Posts
March 29 2012 19:26 GMT
#3001
Dips are one of my favorite exercises. Dips do not only work your triceps, they also work your upper chest and shoulders. If you have trouble making gains on bench press, I would strongly suggest doing dips instead. The structure of your body has an impact on how well you can perform on bench press, and it isn't suited for everyone. Some people have more chest strength gains doing primarily dips instead.
SolaR-
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
United States2685 Posts
March 29 2012 19:28 GMT
#3002
On March 30 2012 04:03 infinity21 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2012 03:53 Osmoses wrote:
Idd. Dips and chins are just arms, biceps and triceps, everyone got those, you just push and pull whereas pullups require obliques (how often do you use those in your everyday life?) and an actual measure of technique.

What? Afaik, chin-ups and pull-ups use basically all the same muscles. I don't see how pull-ups require more technique than chin-ups... I do both interchangeably and they're basically the same exercises to me.


Chin-ups work primarily your biceps and lats. It also works your mid-section a bit too. The chin-up has a huge emphasis on the biceps in comparison to pull-ups. Pull-ups are generally harder, they focus more on your lats and other back muscles, as well as your shoulders.
infinity21 *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada6683 Posts
March 29 2012 19:47 GMT
#3003
On March 30 2012 04:28 SolaR- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2012 04:03 infinity21 wrote:
On March 30 2012 03:53 Osmoses wrote:
Idd. Dips and chins are just arms, biceps and triceps, everyone got those, you just push and pull whereas pullups require obliques (how often do you use those in your everyday life?) and an actual measure of technique.

What? Afaik, chin-ups and pull-ups use basically all the same muscles. I don't see how pull-ups require more technique than chin-ups... I do both interchangeably and they're basically the same exercises to me.


Chin-ups work primarily your biceps and lats. It also works your mid-section a bit too. The chin-up has a huge emphasis on the biceps in comparison to pull-ups. Pull-ups are generally harder, they focus more on your lats and other back muscles, as well as your shoulders.

I think you're exaggerating the differences too much. I used to do chin-ups exclusively but I had no problems transitioning to pull-ups exclusively when I switched gyms.
Official Entusman #21
SolaR-
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
United States2685 Posts
March 29 2012 19:49 GMT
#3004
Everyone's body is different. Personally I always felt I could do a lot more on chin-ups than on pull-ups.
infinity21 *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada6683 Posts
March 29 2012 19:54 GMT
#3005
Maybe you spent a little too much time curling in the squat rack?
Official Entusman #21
Sneakyz
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden2361 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-29 19:57:37
March 29 2012 19:57 GMT
#3006
I found some tests a while ago where they measured the activity of lats/biceps/traps during different exercises and the differences in bicep activity during chins/pull ups were about 40% at BW and it then decreased exponentially IIRC. I think they were both better than barbell curls though .

Personally I could probably bang out 20 chins ezpz while I struggle with 10 proper wide-grip pull ups.
I have found the Iron to be my greatest friend. It never freaks out on me, never runs. Friends may come and go. But two hundred pounds is always two hundred pounds.
crappen
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway1546 Posts
March 29 2012 19:59 GMT
#3007
Anyone using a fat caliper? Took measurements of my

Chest: 6mm
Abdomen: 13mm
Quadriceps: 15mm

Plottet the result in bodycomp_calc using the 3 way method

Says I have only 10% fat, which I find fucking hard to believe. 13-14% seems more like it, since I should be pretty ripped at 10% right?

Wanted to know if anyone else here took measurement. Anyway, I will probably dont take the calculators fat percentage result into account, its just nice to see if my measurement numbers will deacrease as I lose fat.
NeedsmoreCELLTECH
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Netherlands1242 Posts
March 29 2012 20:04 GMT
#3008
On March 30 2012 04:59 crappen wrote:
Anyone using a fat caliper? Took measurements of my

Chest: 6mm
Abdomen: 13mm
Quadriceps: 15mm

Plottet the result in bodycomp_calc using the 3 way method

Says I have only 10% fat, which I find fucking hard to believe. 13-14% seems more like it, since I should be pretty ripped at 10% right?

Wanted to know if anyone else here took measurement. Anyway, I will probably dont take the calculators fat percentage result into account, its just nice to see if my measurement numbers will deacrease as I lose fat.

Calipers are very difficult to use accurately. Unless you have zero muscle, 10% should make you seem ripped aye.
Get huge or die mirin | Diamond on LoL
infinity21 *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada6683 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-29 20:05:43
March 29 2012 20:05 GMT
#3009
@Sneakyz: Do you mean the difference decreased when adding more weight? That could explain why I didn't really feel any difference.

@crappen: It depends on your measurement technique. As long as your measuring technique is consistent, calipers are a good way to track progress, but not necessarily your exact bf %.
Official Entusman #21
Sneakyz
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden2361 Posts
March 29 2012 20:06 GMT
#3010
Yeah the difference got smaller with more weight.
I have found the Iron to be my greatest friend. It never freaks out on me, never runs. Friends may come and go. But two hundred pounds is always two hundred pounds.
SolaR-
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
United States2685 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-29 20:19:42
March 29 2012 20:18 GMT
#3011
On March 30 2012 04:54 infinity21 wrote:
Maybe you spent a little too much time curling in the squat rack?


haha no. My biceps have always been one of my stronger muscles, even though i don't work them much. And i always curl on the bench press

Also sneakyz is right, I also read an article that people on average had the same or more bicep growth doing chins rather than curls.
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20031 Posts
March 29 2012 20:20 GMT
#3012
On March 30 2012 04:59 crappen wrote:
Anyone using a fat caliper? Took measurements of my

Chest: 6mm
Abdomen: 13mm
Quadriceps: 15mm

Plottet the result in bodycomp_calc using the 3 way method

Says I have only 10% fat, which I find fucking hard to believe. 13-14% seems more like it, since I should be pretty ripped at 10% right?

Wanted to know if anyone else here took measurement. Anyway, I will probably dont take the calculators fat percentage result into account, its just nice to see if my measurement numbers will deacrease as I lose fat.


Yeah..13-14 should be some definition, more in 10-12 and 10 and below is ripped
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
infinity21 *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada6683 Posts
March 29 2012 20:24 GMT
#3013
On March 30 2012 05:18 SolaR- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2012 04:54 infinity21 wrote:
Maybe you spent a little too much time curling in the squat rack?


haha no. My biceps have always been one of my stronger muscles, even though i don't work them much. And i always curl on the bench press

Also sneakyz is right, I also read an article that people on average had the same or more bicep growth doing chins rather than curls.

I think people generally use their biceps more in everyday life compared to lats which would explain why a lot of people find chin-ups easier.
I'm not surprised chins work your biceps more than curls. Too bad my biceps are so tiny compared to my lats
Official Entusman #21
Seth_
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Belgium184 Posts
March 29 2012 20:26 GMT
#3014
My press hasn't improved in 3 weeks. I started at 25 kg 3 x 5 without any trouble; next work-out I was nearly able to do 30 3 x 5. Now after 2.5 weeks I'm still unable to do more than 30 3 x 5.
I've watched
and I think I'm doing it as I'm supposed to, my strength just isn't increasing.


Squats have improved nearly 40% though. Deadlift, bench press and power cleans have improved as well.
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12704 Posts
March 29 2012 20:37 GMT
#3015
It took me a month of failing three workouts at 105lb in a row, deloading, working back up to finally pass 105lb 5x5 on my overhead press so I wouldn't sweat it. Just keep at it.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20031 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-29 20:41:18
March 29 2012 20:37 GMT
#3016
On March 30 2012 05:24 infinity21 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2012 05:18 SolaR- wrote:
On March 30 2012 04:54 infinity21 wrote:
Maybe you spent a little too much time curling in the squat rack?


haha no. My biceps have always been one of my stronger muscles, even though i don't work them much. And i always curl on the bench press

Also sneakyz is right, I also read an article that people on average had the same or more bicep growth doing chins rather than curls.

I think people generally use their biceps more in everyday life compared to lats which would explain why a lot of people find chin-ups easier.
I'm not surprised chins work your biceps more than curls. Too bad my biceps are so tiny compared to my lats


Lats are so much bigger and more useful :D Not to mention make your torso look awesome.

On March 30 2012 03:07 funkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2012 23:33 decafchicken wrote:
On March 29 2012 19:00 sJarl wrote:
On March 29 2012 08:59 decafchicken wrote:
Sjarl and gotunk inspired me to max out squat today. Could probably still squeeze out a few more kilos, i missed 192.5 pretty narrowly but had to get to rugby practice.



only 190kg


that was riddiculously easy though...stay sober for a week or two and you'll be up there with us

...FOR A WHOLE WEEK??? :-p

Scrolling through my youtube for lolz, this squat is less weight and way shittier

+ Show Spoiler +



180kg wow..I wish I can do that. Once


*190 Don't worry. My max used to be like 120-130kg before i started squatting seriously You'll beast mode that shit in no time
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
infinity21 *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada6683 Posts
March 29 2012 20:41 GMT
#3017
On March 30 2012 05:37 decafchicken wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2012 05:24 infinity21 wrote:
On March 30 2012 05:18 SolaR- wrote:
On March 30 2012 04:54 infinity21 wrote:
Maybe you spent a little too much time curling in the squat rack?


haha no. My biceps have always been one of my stronger muscles, even though i don't work them much. And i always curl on the bench press

Also sneakyz is right, I also read an article that people on average had the same or more bicep growth doing chins rather than curls.

I think people generally use their biceps more in everyday life compared to lats which would explain why a lot of people find chin-ups easier.
I'm not surprised chins work your biceps more than curls. Too bad my biceps are so tiny compared to my lats


Lats are so much bigger and more useful :D Not to mention make your torso look awesome.

Yeah I wouldn't mind a big pair of guns to go with the lats though
Official Entusman #21
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20031 Posts
March 29 2012 20:42 GMT
#3018
On March 30 2012 05:41 infinity21 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2012 05:37 decafchicken wrote:
On March 30 2012 05:24 infinity21 wrote:
On March 30 2012 05:18 SolaR- wrote:
On March 30 2012 04:54 infinity21 wrote:
Maybe you spent a little too much time curling in the squat rack?


haha no. My biceps have always been one of my stronger muscles, even though i don't work them much. And i always curl on the bench press

Also sneakyz is right, I also read an article that people on average had the same or more bicep growth doing chins rather than curls.

I think people generally use their biceps more in everyday life compared to lats which would explain why a lot of people find chin-ups easier.
I'm not surprised chins work your biceps more than curls. Too bad my biceps are so tiny compared to my lats


Lats are so much bigger and more useful :D Not to mention make your torso look awesome.

Yeah I wouldn't mind a big pair of guns to go with the lats though


Yeah that 50 cal looks nice on top of a tank...but without the 50 cal ITS STILL A FUCKING TANK ^_^
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
March 29 2012 20:44 GMT
#3019
On March 30 2012 04:03 infinity21 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2012 03:53 Osmoses wrote:
Idd. Dips and chins are just arms, biceps and triceps, everyone got those, you just push and pull whereas pullups require obliques (how often do you use those in your everyday life?) and an actual measure of technique.

What? Afaik, chin-ups and pull-ups use basically all the same muscles. I don't see how pull-ups require more technique than chin-ups... I do both interchangeably and they're basically the same exercises to me.

Dunno how you're doing them but it's definitely alot more backmuscle and lats for me (meant lats not obliques btw). Close grip I can understand, but wide is a completely different lift alltogether.
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
NeedsmoreCELLTECH
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Netherlands1242 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-29 20:46:15
March 29 2012 20:45 GMT
#3020
On March 30 2012 05:42 decafchicken wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2012 05:41 infinity21 wrote:
On March 30 2012 05:37 decafchicken wrote:
On March 30 2012 05:24 infinity21 wrote:
On March 30 2012 05:18 SolaR- wrote:
On March 30 2012 04:54 infinity21 wrote:
Maybe you spent a little too much time curling in the squat rack?


haha no. My biceps have always been one of my stronger muscles, even though i don't work them much. And i always curl on the bench press

Also sneakyz is right, I also read an article that people on average had the same or more bicep growth doing chins rather than curls.

I think people generally use their biceps more in everyday life compared to lats which would explain why a lot of people find chin-ups easier.
I'm not surprised chins work your biceps more than curls. Too bad my biceps are so tiny compared to my lats


Lats are so much bigger and more useful :D Not to mention make your torso look awesome.

Yeah I wouldn't mind a big pair of guns to go with the lats though


Yeah that 50 cal looks nice on top of a tank...but without the 50 cal ITS STILL A FUCKING TANK ^_^

Who wants to look like a T-rex though. A body that says RAWR and arms that say mewmew.
Get huge or die mirin | Diamond on LoL
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