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mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-26 18:41:44
December 26 2012 18:40 GMT
#381
I always liked this article: http://archive.mensjournal.com/everything-you-know-about-fitness-is-a-lie/
But it's not heavy on the technical side unfortunately. It's also more general but explains a little of why there's machines in gyms despite them being inferior. Machines have their value when it comes to isolation but if his goal is being more fit free weights help train you for real-life situations and this should be intuitive to him.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
December 26 2012 19:57 GMT
#382
On December 27 2012 02:07 Malinor wrote:
I need some assistance here. My sister's boyfriend wants to start going to the gym again. He is not at all interested in bodybuilding or strength training, he just wants to lose his small/ non-existent gut and, more important, be healthy/ have a healthy posture. Of course whenever he trains he is doing machines. I don't really feel that I have a good chance to convince him to do squats and deadlifts (he is 6'7 and not so sportive anyway, so without a trainer it could be ugly), but I let myself go and said "everyone should do pull ups and dips, it is the best exercises you can do", which is something I truly believe in. Now he wants me to provide some reading for him so that he can see that my statement has some merits and I did not pull it out of my ass.

So if someone could provide me with a good introductory reading that explains why machines are inefficient and why these movements are superior, that would be really helpful. Most things I found are just about squats and deadlifts when talking about compound exercises, and also about muscle mass and body building. And since he is not interested, a T-Nation article might not do the trick here. He is an academic, so it might even help if it is a bit technical. But basically anything focussing on compound/bw-exercises which is not posted on some BB-site or with hideous use of language will do. Maybe eshlow knows a place, I wasn't extremely succesful thus far.


Good posture you need good compounds man.

Compounds allow him to get in and out of the gym quick as well

Good bang for the buck.

I don't know of any good particular posture related sites talking about compounds vs other stuff unfortunately. :\
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
Ludrik
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Australia523 Posts
January 05 2013 11:33 GMT
#383
Catching up on some reading and just noticed the eatmoveimprove series on training while travelling. A month too late for me though! Still makes a good read though.
Only a fool would die laughing. I was a fool.
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
January 05 2013 16:11 GMT
#384
On January 05 2013 20:33 Ludrik wrote:
Catching up on some reading and just noticed the eatmoveimprove series on training while travelling. A month too late for me though! Still makes a good read though.


Haha, sorry.

Maybe next time you travel in the future
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
b_unnies
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
3579 Posts
January 08 2013 10:28 GMT
#385
Is it possible to substitute a suspension trainer for rings since I already have one and I live in dorm so I can't install rings
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
January 09 2013 00:00 GMT
#386
Got a 20 second L-sit for the first time with my hands pointed behind me. Spending most of wall handstands not touching the wall too I almost have the tuck planche. Been keeping one big toe on the ground and trying to lift it but the most I've had it up is for 1-2 seconds and the entire hold only 7s or so. Looking forward to more progress!

Also, frog stand to handstand fascinates me... I've almost completed it. And by almost I mean get my legs straight and arms almost straight before falling over XD
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
January 09 2013 03:47 GMT
#387
On January 08 2013 19:28 b_unnies wrote:
Is it possible to substitute a suspension trainer for rings since I already have one and I live in dorm so I can't install rings


Yeah, that's probably fine although probably not as comfortable as rings when supported.

On January 09 2013 09:00 mordek wrote:
Got a 20 second L-sit for the first time with my hands pointed behind me. Spending most of wall handstands not touching the wall too I almost have the tuck planche. Been keeping one big toe on the ground and trying to lift it but the most I've had it up is for 1-2 seconds and the entire hold only 7s or so. Looking forward to more progress!

Also, frog stand to handstand fascinates me... I've almost completed it. And by almost I mean get my legs straight and arms almost straight before falling over XD


Nice, making good progress
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
b_unnies
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
3579 Posts
January 09 2013 22:33 GMT
#388
On January 09 2013 12:47 eshlow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2013 19:28 b_unnies wrote:
Is it possible to substitute a suspension trainer for rings since I already have one and I live in dorm so I can't install rings


Yeah, that's probably fine although probably not as comfortable as rings when supported.



is it also ok if i do them on while being supported on a door or is that dangerous
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
January 09 2013 23:15 GMT
#389
On January 10 2013 07:33 b_unnies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2013 12:47 eshlow wrote:
On January 08 2013 19:28 b_unnies wrote:
Is it possible to substitute a suspension trainer for rings since I already have one and I live in dorm so I can't install rings


Yeah, that's probably fine although probably not as comfortable as rings when supported.



is it also ok if i do them on while being supported on a door or is that dangerous


A pullup bar on a door frame?

or on a door itself?

Door itself is probably dangerous unless it's super sturdy...
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
b_unnies
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
3579 Posts
January 10 2013 00:11 GMT
#390
On January 10 2013 08:15 eshlow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2013 07:33 b_unnies wrote:
On January 09 2013 12:47 eshlow wrote:
On January 08 2013 19:28 b_unnies wrote:
Is it possible to substitute a suspension trainer for rings since I already have one and I live in dorm so I can't install rings


Yeah, that's probably fine although probably not as comfortable as rings when supported.



is it also ok if i do them on while being supported on a door or is that dangerous


A pullup bar on a door frame?

or on a door itself?

Door itself is probably dangerous unless it's super sturdy...


Yah I meant on a door itself. Thxs for answering
Luxae
Profile Joined February 2011
Israel232 Posts
January 10 2013 12:51 GMT
#391
Any of you guys got any suggestions on what I can do for some added difficulty on my L Pullups? What I've been doing for the past couple of weeks was just adding a rep per set per week, but I'm up to 3x7 now and I'm not really feeling particularly strained. I'd really prefer something that doesn't involve adding on weight to myself, since I do them right after I do heavy weighted chinups and I'm not really keen on doing more weighted volume.
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
January 10 2013 16:21 GMT
#392
Any supplemental work I can add to help the transition from frog to tuck planche? My shoulders just can't hold my weight for more than a few seconds.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
January 10 2013 20:02 GMT
#393
On January 10 2013 21:51 Luxae wrote:
Any of you guys got any suggestions on what I can do for some added difficulty on my L Pullups? What I've been doing for the past couple of weeks was just adding a rep per set per week, but I'm up to 3x7 now and I'm not really feeling particularly strained. I'd really prefer something that doesn't involve adding on weight to myself, since I do them right after I do heavy weighted chinups and I'm not really keen on doing more weighted volume.

Do you have the book for progressions or?

You can do wide grip L-pullups and the work progressively towards OAC depending on what you have available
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
January 10 2013 20:02 GMT
#394
On January 11 2013 01:21 mordek wrote:
Any supplemental work I can add to help the transition from frog to tuck planche? My shoulders just can't hold my weight for more than a few seconds.


Straight arm frog stand, or more basic strength work, or band assisted tuck planche
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
Luxae
Profile Joined February 2011
Israel232 Posts
January 10 2013 21:10 GMT
#395
On January 11 2013 05:02 eshlow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2013 21:51 Luxae wrote:
Any of you guys got any suggestions on what I can do for some added difficulty on my L Pullups? What I've been doing for the past couple of weeks was just adding a rep per set per week, but I'm up to 3x7 now and I'm not really feeling particularly strained. I'd really prefer something that doesn't involve adding on weight to myself, since I do them right after I do heavy weighted chinups and I'm not really keen on doing more weighted volume.

Do you have the book for progressions or?

You can do wide grip L-pullups and the work progressively towards OAC depending on what you have available


I'm not really familiar with any bodyweight training books other than CC, I just decided I wanted to make some progress on L pullups after a couple of years of just doing for fun when I felt like it. What's an OAC?


KOVU
Profile Joined September 2010
Denmark708 Posts
January 11 2013 05:59 GMT
#396
On January 11 2013 06:10 Luxae wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2013 05:02 eshlow wrote:
On January 10 2013 21:51 Luxae wrote:
Any of you guys got any suggestions on what I can do for some added difficulty on my L Pullups? What I've been doing for the past couple of weeks was just adding a rep per set per week, but I'm up to 3x7 now and I'm not really feeling particularly strained. I'd really prefer something that doesn't involve adding on weight to myself, since I do them right after I do heavy weighted chinups and I'm not really keen on doing more weighted volume.

Do you have the book for progressions or?

You can do wide grip L-pullups and the work progressively towards OAC depending on what you have available


I'm not really familiar with any bodyweight training books other than CC, I just decided I wanted to make some progress on L pullups after a couple of years of just doing for fun when I felt like it. What's an OAC?



One armed chin I believe
Luxae
Profile Joined February 2011
Israel232 Posts
January 11 2013 16:16 GMT
#397
On January 11 2013 14:59 KOVU wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2013 06:10 Luxae wrote:
On January 11 2013 05:02 eshlow wrote:
On January 10 2013 21:51 Luxae wrote:
Any of you guys got any suggestions on what I can do for some added difficulty on my L Pullups? What I've been doing for the past couple of weeks was just adding a rep per set per week, but I'm up to 3x7 now and I'm not really feeling particularly strained. I'd really prefer something that doesn't involve adding on weight to myself, since I do them right after I do heavy weighted chinups and I'm not really keen on doing more weighted volume.

Do you have the book for progressions or?

You can do wide grip L-pullups and the work progressively towards OAC depending on what you have available


I'm not really familiar with any bodyweight training books other than CC, I just decided I wanted to make some progress on L pullups after a couple of years of just doing for fun when I felt like it. What's an OAC?



One armed chin I believe


Oh. Well I'm not really looking to make the pull part of the exercise harder, just the core work part.
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
January 11 2013 17:34 GMT
#398
On January 11 2013 06:10 Luxae wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2013 05:02 eshlow wrote:
On January 10 2013 21:51 Luxae wrote:
Any of you guys got any suggestions on what I can do for some added difficulty on my L Pullups? What I've been doing for the past couple of weeks was just adding a rep per set per week, but I'm up to 3x7 now and I'm not really feeling particularly strained. I'd really prefer something that doesn't involve adding on weight to myself, since I do them right after I do heavy weighted chinups and I'm not really keen on doing more weighted volume.

Do you have the book for progressions or?

You can do wide grip L-pullups and the work progressively towards OAC depending on what you have available


I'm not really familiar with any bodyweight training books other than CC, I just decided I wanted to make some progress on L pullups after a couple of years of just doing for fun when I felt like it. What's an OAC?




Oh, I assumed you were using the book I had written (aka in my sig).

Anyway, OAC is one arm chin yes.
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
4thHatchery
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
Finland125 Posts
January 11 2013 18:47 GMT
#399
On January 12 2013 01:16 Luxae wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2013 14:59 KOVU wrote:
On January 11 2013 06:10 Luxae wrote:
On January 11 2013 05:02 eshlow wrote:
On January 10 2013 21:51 Luxae wrote:
Any of you guys got any suggestions on what I can do for some added difficulty on my L Pullups? What I've been doing for the past couple of weeks was just adding a rep per set per week, but I'm up to 3x7 now and I'm not really feeling particularly strained. I'd really prefer something that doesn't involve adding on weight to myself, since I do them right after I do heavy weighted chinups and I'm not really keen on doing more weighted volume.

Do you have the book for progressions or?

You can do wide grip L-pullups and the work progressively towards OAC depending on what you have available


I'm not really familiar with any bodyweight training books other than CC, I just decided I wanted to make some progress on L pullups after a couple of years of just doing for fun when I felt like it. What's an OAC?



One armed chin I believe


Oh. Well I'm not really looking to make the pull part of the exercise harder, just the core work part.

Maybe try holding a light dumbell between your feet. It'll still be adding external weight but if you do 7 reps it'll likely be difficult enough for a while with just a small weight compared to your weighted chins.
GrazerRinge
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
999 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-21 08:56:11
January 21 2013 08:54 GMT
#400
Hello fellow TL members!

I have started to train more bodyweight exercises lately and i am loving it!
My body feels not only stronger, but also much more flexible.

Still i am far away from my current goal, planche and free handstand and therefore i would welcome some advice regarding planning and setting correct exercises regarding my strenght level and progression.

my current workout:
+ Show Spoiler +

3 times x week

1.Warming up:
linear warm up, streching (mostly arms), 10min cycle / running with avg. 110bhm

2.Push / Pull exercise:
push up: currently week 5 of this programm: http://hundredpushups.com/week5.html#sthash.Zy9pVnwS.dpbs
pull ups with knee up, 8~5 x 6
Dips: 10 x 3
any pull exercise, mostly including barbels / cable

3.Static exercise
Elevated bent leg middle split hold: to failure x 4~6
L - position on dip bar: to failure x 4~6
Handstand on wall, 5cm to wall: 4 x to failure
2 core exercises to my choice


p.s.: when would i be able to execute proper manna and free handstand push ups from now?
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