On July 01 2013 02:30 Vitruvian wrote: Purchased a pair of Rogue Do-Wins about four weeks ago - already, the sole of the right shoe has started to separate at the toe. My right foot is the back foot in my jerk; could this be an indicator that I'm doing something incorrect with my feet?
I think its more of the poor quality of dowins. My back heel started to come off within a year.
On July 01 2013 02:30 Vitruvian wrote: Purchased a pair of Rogue Do-Wins about four weeks ago - already, the sole of the right shoe has started to separate at the toe. My right foot is the back foot in my jerk; could this be an indicator that I'm doing something incorrect with my feet?
Edit: just to clarify, the only reason I think this might be a factor is that with the sole slightly separated at the toe, I can feel it fold under when I hit my jerk. + Show Spoiler +
IIRC the Do-Wins are known for that issue. Supposedly the latest ones are better quality control but the soles separating from doing split jerks is something I've seen on several message board threads. Rogue apparently has good customer support though, so you might want to get in touch with them. Awesome illustration btw.
In a somewhat unrelated note, my buddy just sold me his Reebok CrossFit Lifters for cheap. I'm not a crossfitter, but I did squats in them today and it felt amazing having a solid raised heel. I'm sure they're not as good as a dedicated weightlifting shoe, but I'm pretty happy with them so far, and the price was right. I really want to get the Nike Romaleos 2, but I feel like I should be able to move some real weight first to justify the purchase lol. Buying them would feel kinda like getting the Filco keyboard while stuck in bronze league.
You guys heard Louie Simmons on Barbell Shrugged podcast? He goes on saying that weightlifting is a really easy sport and that american coaches don't know how to coach. Then he goes on saying than by adding bands he can get instant PRs on the lifts haha then today Jon North said on his podcast "fuck you Louie Simmons" it was amusing.
On July 03 2013 08:19 Donkeys wrote: You guys heard Louie Simmons on Barbell Shrugged podcast? He goes on saying that weightlifting is a really easy sport and that american coaches don't know how to coach. Then he goes on saying than by adding bands he can get instant PRs on the lifts haha then today Jon North said on his podcast "fuck you Louie Simmons" it was amusing.
Thank God. Louie has to be the only man more massively retarded in the topic of olympic lifting than Rippetoe. The man only trains people who are on a gram of tren/wk and 50-100mg anadrol/day, why the hell would anyone take him seriously?
Shoot Donkeys, good timing with that massive cnj video and the news about weightlifting being easy. Makes my PR look even worse hahaha =p
Had a fun max day today, went 80/94. Tried to snatch 85 twice but made slight errors I know how to fix for the next time. Then PR'd my clean and jerk by 1.5kg. Best part this of it is the jerk would actually be white lighted unlike last time.
I do most of that for my warm up. He's got a bit more knee and ankle flexibility though. My coach's daughter almost touches her knees to the floor when she does that T_T She just went 84/99 @ 63 bw. She might qualify for senior worlds this year!
Is there a reason to choose power jerk over split jerk or vice versa, like how some people are built for sumo deadlift and some conventional? From what I've read, it's mostly personal preference other than split jerk being slightly more forgiving. But, if that's true, then what's the advantage of power jerk?
I feel good doing split jerks, but I haven't really had a hard time with the jerk portion yet since I can only clean 95kg. So far anything I can get in position I can just push press. I do a fair amount of overhead pressing and squatting though, so would power jerk give me an advantage over split jerk if I can hit the correct positions?
I know the answer is "try both and find out" and I'll do that, but I figured it was worth asking you guys as well.
a little more than a year ago I hurt my knee doing a really poor paused front squat and as a result of that, I couldn't split jerk for at least 3 months. In those 3 months I learned to power jerk instead and just got really comfortable doing it. I've basically forgotten how to split jerk.
Tore my patellar tendon in December, didn't get back to squatting until mid may. This is about my 5th or 6th session back to oly. I tore it split jerking so I've pretty much been re-learning that from scratch using baby weights. I definitely seem to be unable to get my knees out of the way properly in the snatch on many reps, and I'm sure dimsum/decaf can point out some other technical problems I can work on. The bar also loops out a bit on several reps, but not all of them.
I'm still pretty stiff and uncoordinated in general currently ~_~.
On July 03 2013 11:25 MeShiet wrote: Shoot Donkeys, good timing with that massive cnj video and the news about weightlifting being easy. Makes my PR look even worse hahaha =p
Had a fun max day today, went 80/94. Tried to snatch 85 twice but made slight errors I know how to fix for the next time. Then PR'd my clean and jerk by 1.5kg. Best part this of it is the jerk would actually be white lighted unlike last time.
Lil' asian bros always look so cool when oly lifting. I feel like an awkward lanky black dude. Nice job, brah.
On July 03 2013 23:30 BenKen wrote: Is there a reason to choose power jerk over split jerk or vice versa, like how some people are built for sumo deadlift and some conventional? From what I've read, it's mostly personal preference other than split jerk being slightly more forgiving. But, if that's true, then what's the advantage of power jerk?
I feel good doing split jerks, but I haven't really had a hard time with the jerk portion yet since I can only clean 95kg. So far anything I can get in position I can just push press. I do a fair amount of overhead pressing and squatting though, so would power jerk give me an advantage over split jerk if I can hit the correct positions?
I know the answer is "try both and find out" and I'll do that, but I figured it was worth asking you guys as well.
Rather than "try both and find out", I would personally recommend splitting only as your main competition jerk for the first 6-12 months with occasional power jerks as assistance work. Pretty much everyone is going to be more comfortable with power vs split in the learning stages. .
Speaking of jerks, I'm re-learning the lift from scratch after I tore my patellar tendon on a split jerk in December. I went into a very wide split without much back knee bend and it popped on me. Beyond re-doing the footwork, I'm trying to work on a different finished position. I'm noticing that some lifters like Klokov, Akkaev, or Ilin don't fully internally rotate their shoulders and instead support the weight overhead mostly with isometric tricep/delt strength. Other fellas like Kolecki, Dolega, or the entire Chinese men's team finish with their shoulders rotated back to a position they could clean grip overhead squat from. I'm trying to go from group 1 to group 2 to where my shoulders are rotated far back enough in my finished jerk position to where it's pure bone on bone lockout. I notice dimsum and decaf both jerk this way as well. So far I can do it with heavy weights but it hurts my shoulder joints, and it hurts them even with light weights too. I'm just going to keep at it for a few months and hopefully I can reach a point where I'm flexible enough for it not to cause me joint discomfort.
I think I'm kind of falling into the first camp on shoulder position. Full internal rotation hurts my rotator cuffs, but I might be lacking the flexibility to hit the correct position.
Is the problem with the first camp that you are eventually limited by isometric strength (unless you have Klokov strength) but the second camp has a better mechanical advantage at locking it out?
Went over to San Francisco to watch some fireworks. Then went to cal strength because why not and pr'd both lifts by 4kg and hittin my first 100kg snatch! 220 total with 120 cj. AC is the best thing known to man dude. My hot ass garage just saps my strength :p
On July 06 2013 11:17 decafchicken wrote: Yeah all my good jerks are of the second variety. I usually miss or it feels bad the other way
Did/do you experience any shoulder discomfort jerking this way? I've been finishing all of my jerks this way for about 3 weeks and so far the pain is only becoming marginally less severe, and most of the time I'm just practicing with 95-135lbs. I widened my grip out a lot and that seemed to help a little bit. Do you have any recommendations for shoulder mobility work?
On July 06 2013 11:47 BenKen wrote: Ok thanks Drowsy, I'll do that.
I think I'm kind of falling into the first camp on shoulder position. Full internal rotation hurts my rotator cuffs, but I might be lacking the flexibility to hit the correct position.
Is the problem with the first camp that you are eventually limited by isometric strength (unless you have Klokov strength) but the second camp has a better mechanical advantage at locking it out?
Yes, that's basically exactly my interpretation. If you're in camp 1, you're going to need a lot more pressing/push pressing strength to jerk a given weight. If you're in camp 2 you can jerk huge weights with a relatively weak ohp/bench/push press. I actually do have a lot of excess pressing strength, but, as you said, style 2 is more mechanically advantageous and I think its sorta the direction modern technique is headed toward. Also, if you lock out this way it's nearly impossible to pressout.
I wonder if body type dictates this somewhat as well. Although if that's the case and I'm honest with myself, I'm probably much closer to a small Chinese guy than a jacked Russian dude when it comes to body types.
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