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Sneakyz
Sweden2361 Posts
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eshlow
United States5210 Posts
On January 21 2012 23:54 pyrogenetix wrote: So it's official, I have 2 herniated discs. The pain began around summer and I haven't been to the doc and just recently did a revamp spanning 1 month all the way up to my old 3plate squat 3x5, then the other day (doing light DB shoulder presses too wtf) it got really bad and decided to finally go get it xrayed. Needless to say my parents had a field day with 20 variations of "I told you so" and other infuriating crap I had no rebuttals to. The doc did some traditional chinese medicine accupuncture shit in my left hand and 2 anti inflammatory injections in my lower back and told me to do bodyweight squats and good mornings to spread the medicine I think. It feels more or less the same now in the evening though. I think my biggest mistake was waiting so long to get it checked out. I thought it was something else and it got slightly better and I went back to squatting and DLing heavy... The fucked up thing is though I always paid attention to form and increasing my weights slowly, always doing empty bar warmups and shit. Also the funny thing is the pain started from one time doing a heavy bench set, not squats or DL. Well seems like this is the end of the road for me. I'm never going to get my 200kg DL nor 160kg squat. The doc said my spine pieces (wrong name probably?) have little dents in them from the pressure and my two discs are much flatter than they should be. Perhaps my bad posture has something to do with it since I slouch a lot. Weirdly the doc said it wasn't a big deal and was laughing and joking the whole time... but I didn't tell him the pain has been there for a few months already... maybe I'm overreacting, but I really feel depressed as fuck. Lifting has changed me from a fat as fuck to decent muscle albeit high bodyfat. Wanted to cut hard for this summer and try hit some PR's but I guess that's all out the window now. Fuck I'm getting so depressed. I don't get why this happened to me, I've always been so careful with form what the fucking hell. So reverse hyper-extensions? Is that the one to focus on? How often? Sets reps? Cat camels? Any feedback would be helpful especially from others who have also had a herniated disc and how you recovered, if you can lift anymore etc etc. Spinal mobility exercises here -- use them if they help. Usually higher reps 20-30 couple sets http://www.eatmoveimprove.com/2010/02/so-you-hurt-your-lower-back/ reverse hypers are good too Remember that the there was some study that showed normal people had varying degrees of bulging and herniated discs without symptoms. So I don'tt hink that lifting is totally prohibited but you need to be more careful about what you do. No real maxing out anymore is probably a good idea. If you do get back into lifting you gotta start slow | ||
Release
United States4397 Posts
this where it says calf muscle. My right calf by the way. 2. What exercises hurt? Which shoulder articulations hurt? Make sure you check both with passive motion and resistive/active motion. http://www.exrx.net/Articulations/Shoulder.html None of the exercises hurt. When i'm at the bottom of a squat, there is an irritation 3. What type of pain is it? Burning? Ache? Tingling? Sharp? Sometimes, my calf gets very tight and hard. At the top, there is slight tingling, and at the side, pressure. 4. What would you rate the pain at on a 0/10 scale? 0 being no pain, 10 being go to the emergency room. 1, it's not painful, but more of extremely irritating. 5. Acute or chronic (chronic more than ~6-8 weeks)? What date was onset? How has the pain improved since the initial injury? I'm not sure when it began because at first i thought it was DOMS or some soreness, but at least 3 weeks ago. No change in this time. 6. Have you been training through pain? If so, how long? I took a break from squatting for about 2 weeks now. 7. How deep is the pain? Is it more superficial tissues? Or does it seem to be more inside or around the joint? Describe it. It's very much at the surface (just under the skin). I can touch skin around my calf and I can literally feel where it is irritating. 8. What have you been doing for recovery purposes? Ice and massage. 9. What seems to help? What seems to make it worse? Is it constant? Does it increase/decrease with certain activities? Ice and massage provide temporary relief. It's occurs when i stand up for a while and don't move around (like shower) 10. Check the tissue quality of the surrounding muscles. Which ones are tight? Which ones are tender? Is there any swelling? At the very top, it's tender, but at the side, very tight. My right calf is visually larger than my left. 11. How does it feel after exercise (if any)? How does it feel at the beginning of the day? How about the end of the day? No change. 12. Any previous injury history? The one about my lower back a week ago? 13. How's your posture? fine. 14. What is your current workout routine for that bodypart? Do you play any sports? Used to squat, haven't in a while. No. 15. Any other information I should be aware of or that comes to mind that may help? My right calf moves around a lot more than my left, especially at the top. | ||
RxBorG
United States505 Posts
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Seth_
Belgium184 Posts
Apparently my SI joint is rotated (diagnosed by a physical therapy student) The exercices linked on http://www.eatmoveimprove.com/2010/02/so-you-hurt-your-lower-back/ take away the pain for a while, but it returns eventually (after a number of hours or maybe the next day ) Does this mean that: A) my joint remains rotated and the exercices just took the pain away for a while, or that B) my joint was reset, but my lack or core muscles made it slip again? In case of A, I'll need to see a physical therapist right? In case of B I can just do some more exercices to strengthen everything. I'm going skiing next week. Is this going to be a problem? | ||
eshlow
United States5210 Posts
On January 22 2012 06:46 Release wrote: 1. Google a pic and mark where it hurts. this where it says calf muscle. My right calf by the way. + Show Spoiler + 2. What exercises hurt? Which shoulder articulations hurt? Make sure you check both with passive motion and resistive/active motion. http://www.exrx.net/Articulations/Shoulder.html None of the exercises hurt. When i'm at the bottom of a squat, there is an irritation 3. What type of pain is it? Burning? Ache? Tingling? Sharp? Sometimes, my calf gets very tight and hard. At the top, there is slight tingling, and at the side, pressure. 4. What would you rate the pain at on a 0/10 scale? 0 being no pain, 10 being go to the emergency room. 1, it's not painful, but more of extremely irritating. 5. Acute or chronic (chronic more than ~6-8 weeks)? What date was onset? How has the pain improved since the initial injury? I'm not sure when it began because at first i thought it was DOMS or some soreness, but at least 3 weeks ago. No change in this time. 6. Have you been training through pain? If so, how long? I took a break from squatting for about 2 weeks now. 7. How deep is the pain? Is it more superficial tissues? Or does it seem to be more inside or around the joint? Describe it. It's very much at the surface (just under the skin). I can touch skin around my calf and I can literally feel where it is irritating. 8. What have you been doing for recovery purposes? Ice and massage. 9. What seems to help? What seems to make it worse? Is it constant? Does it increase/decrease with certain activities? Ice and massage provide temporary relief. It's occurs when i stand up for a while and don't move around (like shower) 10. Check the tissue quality of the surrounding muscles. Which ones are tight? Which ones are tender? Is there any swelling? At the very top, it's tender, but at the side, very tight. My right calf is visually larger than my left. 11. How does it feel after exercise (if any)? How does it feel at the beginning of the day? How about the end of the day? No change. 12. Any previous injury history? The one about my lower back a week ago? 13. How's your posture? fine. 14. What is your current workout routine for that bodypart? Do you play any sports? Used to squat, haven't in a while. No. 15. Any other information I should be aware of or that comes to mind that may help? My right calf moves around a lot more than my left, especially at the top Hmmm, interesting. Try using some heat and afterward some very light stretching -- focus on deep breaths in through the nose and out slowly through the mouth while stretching to relax the muscle Also, do some soft tissue work with plantar fascia, hamstrings, and glutes aside from the calf. Break out hte foam roller | ||
eshlow
United States5210 Posts
On January 22 2012 08:31 RxBorG wrote: okay, I have a problem. Sometimes after doing a shoulder or back workout I will have a weird feeling in my left shoulder joint. It feels as if the bone is touching. If I move it too much it really hurts so that's when I stop my workout. Anyone know what this could be? Fill out the form in OP! | ||
eshlow
United States5210 Posts
On January 26 2012 22:45 Seth_ wrote: I'm a runner, injured myself while doing jumping exercices during sprint training (that's when the actual pain started at least). Apparently my SI joint is rotated (diagnosed by a physical therapy student) The exercices linked on http://www.eatmoveimprove.com/2010/02/so-you-hurt-your-lower-back/ take away the pain for a while, but it returns eventually (after a number of hours or maybe the next day ) Does this mean that: A) my joint remains rotated and the exercices just took the pain away for a while, or that B) my joint was reset, but my lack or core muscles made it slip again? In case of A, I'll need to see a physical therapist right? In case of B I can just do some more exercices to strengthen everything. I'm going skiing next week. Is this going to be a problem? Could be either A or B. You will need to see a PT for both A and B because you need to get exercises specific to the type of rotation that you have..... | ||
lyAsakura
United States1414 Posts
#4 and my knee. Whenever I jump with too much force, and don't really focus on the landing too much, e.g. trying to catch a really high ball and not concentrating on the landing, my left knee and calf buckle and lose all power. The calf then is in enough pain to force a limp and the knee has a sharp pain. It lasts for several hours and slowly dulls down. I can run with pain after around 10-20 minutes. After a few hours, the only pain comes in my knees and my calves when I squeeze them against my thigh. I never do really feel comfortable with my left leg even when the pain stops after a day or so, even after weeks of this not occurring. Knee pain is new. Did not feel much knee pain in the first couple months. 2. What exercises hurt? Which shoulder articulations hurt? Make sure you check both with passive motion and resistive/active motion. http://www.exrx.net/Articulations/Shoulder.html Kneeling hurts my calf extremely painfully. Calf raises are completely fine, leg extensions no problem. Anything that really puts weight or something on my calves hurt. Extending leg straight hurts a little bit. 3. What type of pain is it? Burning? Ache? Tingling? Sharp? Feels aching sharp, hard to describe. Hard to walk on and feels weak and painful but dulls down with time. 4. What would you rate the pain at on a 0/10 scale? 0 being no pain, 10 being go to the emergency room. 3-4ish, not very painful, calf feels very weak, though. Only when I jump and land incorrectly. Normally walking, sprinting, running, lifting, etc. absolutely no pain. Feels very, very slightly dull, nothing alarming. 5. Acute or chronic (chronic more than ~6-8 weeks)? What date was onset? How has the pain improved since the initial injury? Chronic, started since November at a football game, athletic trainer said it was a contusion during the game and after the game said it was a muscle strain. Pain after the game occurred every few days, and slowly has been taking longer and longer to happen, with the last one happening almost a month after. 6. Have you been training through pain? If so, how long? Yes, no problem unless jumping exercises. Cleans were a problem in the beginning, actually landed wrong in a power clean once and had it occur, but cleans feel fine now. 7. How deep is the pain? Is it more superficial tissues? Or does it seem to be more inside or around the joint? Describe it. Knee pain feels inside the joint, sharp pain. Calf pain does not feel superficial either, like a muscle strain. 8. What have you been doing for recovery purposes? Iced for the first few weeks. Rest helps. 9. What seems to help? What seems to make it worse? Is it constant? Does it increase/decrease with certain activities? Only thing that affects it really is jumping and landing wrong. If I concentrate on the landing, like on a plyo box or something, it feels fine. Athletic trainer says calf muscles from strain are still weak and cannot support weight. Dunno if that's true since it still happened once when jumping for a ball after a month of it not occuring. 10. Check the tissue quality of the surrounding muscles. Which ones are tight? Which ones are tender? Is there any swelling? No swelling, tissue feels fine. 11. How does it feel after exercise (if any)? How does it feel at the beginning of the day? How about the end of the day? Knees crack a lot louder when squatting, does not feel any different. Pain subsides pretty quickly, not long enough to be constant throughout day. 12. Any previous injury history? Some lower back strain from improper form lifting, has since been fixed and is fine. 13. How's your posture? Great, might slouch a little bit when sitting but standing my posture is fine. 14. What is your current workout routine for that bodypart? Do you play any sports? No special workout routine. I am throwing for track and field right now. 15. Any other information I should be aware of or that comes to mind that may help? Tried some heavy squats ~6 hour-ish after the most recent "attack", my knees do crack when getting deep, never really concerned me, but my left leg (with the injury) cracks much, much louder and I can't really make my body keep balance when it is insecure about my leg. Sucks. Pretty sure it is a muscle strain along the gastrocnemius. Really wondering why the knee is starting to hurt and that after almost 4 months it still isn't healed. Is it fine to still do squats, cleans, etc? To be honest, not very concerned with calf pain, but it's this knee pain that is truly bothering me. | ||
eshlow
United States5210 Posts
On January 28 2012 15:29 lyAsakura wrote: 1. Google a pic and mark where it hurts. #4 and my knee. Whenever I jump with too much force, and don't really focus on the landing too much, e.g. trying to catch a really high ball and not concentrating on the landing, my left knee and calf buckle and lose all power. The calf then is in enough pain to force a limp and the knee has a sharp pain. It lasts for several hours and slowly dulls down. I can run with pain after around 10-20 minutes. After a few hours, the only pain comes in my knees and my calves when I squeeze them against my thigh. I never do really feel comfortable with my left leg even when the pain stops after a day or so, even after weeks of this not occurring. Knee pain is new. Did not feel much knee pain in the first couple months. + Show Spoiler + 2. What exercises hurt? Which shoulder articulations hurt? Make sure you check both with passive motion and resistive/active motion. http://www.exrx.net/Articulations/Shoulder.html Kneeling hurts my calf extremely painfully. Calf raises are completely fine, leg extensions no problem. Anything that really puts weight or something on my calves hurt. Extending leg straight hurts a little bit. 3. What type of pain is it? Burning? Ache? Tingling? Sharp? Feels aching sharp, hard to describe. Hard to walk on and feels weak and painful but dulls down with time. 4. What would you rate the pain at on a 0/10 scale? 0 being no pain, 10 being go to the emergency room. 3-4ish, not very painful, calf feels very weak, though. Only when I jump and land incorrectly. Normally walking, sprinting, running, lifting, etc. absolutely no pain. Feels very, very slightly dull, nothing alarming. 5. Acute or chronic (chronic more than ~6-8 weeks)? What date was onset? How has the pain improved since the initial injury? Chronic, started since November at a football game, athletic trainer said it was a contusion during the game and after the game said it was a muscle strain. Pain after the game occurred every few days, and slowly has been taking longer and longer to happen, with the last one happening almost a month after. 6. Have you been training through pain? If so, how long? Yes, no problem unless jumping exercises. Cleans were a problem in the beginning, actually landed wrong in a power clean once and had it occur, but cleans feel fine now. 7. How deep is the pain? Is it more superficial tissues? Or does it seem to be more inside or around the joint? Describe it. Knee pain feels inside the joint, sharp pain. Calf pain does not feel superficial either, like a muscle strain. 8. What have you been doing for recovery purposes? Iced for the first few weeks. Rest helps. 9. What seems to help? What seems to make it worse? Is it constant? Does it increase/decrease with certain activities? Only thing that affects it really is jumping and landing wrong. If I concentrate on the landing, like on a plyo box or something, it feels fine. Athletic trainer says calf muscles from strain are still weak and cannot support weight. Dunno if that's true since it still happened once when jumping for a ball after a month of it not occuring. 10. Check the tissue quality of the surrounding muscles. Which ones are tight? Which ones are tender? Is there any swelling? No swelling, tissue feels fine. 11. How does it feel after exercise (if any)? How does it feel at the beginning of the day? How about the end of the day? Knees crack a lot louder when squatting, does not feel any different. Pain subsides pretty quickly, not long enough to be constant throughout day. 12. Any previous injury history? Some lower back strain from improper form lifting, has since been fixed and is fine. 13. How's your posture? Great, might slouch a little bit when sitting but standing my posture is fine. 14. What is your current workout routine for that bodypart? Do you play any sports? No special workout routine. I am throwing for track and field right now. 15. Any other information I should be aware of or that comes to mind that may help? Tried some heavy squats ~6 hour-ish after the most recent "attack", my knees do crack when getting deep, never really concerned me, but my left leg (with the injury) cracks much, much louder and I can't really make my body keep balance when it is insecure about my leg. Sucks. Pretty sure it is a muscle strain along the gastrocnemius. Really wondering why the knee is starting to hurt and that after almost 4 months it still isn't healed. Is it fine to still do squats, cleans, etc? To be honest, not very concerned with calf pain, but it's this knee pain that is truly bothering me. Okay, well the knee pain definitely sounds like an anterior horn of medial meniscus issue. This is probably a secondary issue, which may have come up from any twisting biomechanics that have arisen from your other injury which is the calve (e.g. if your body starts to twist knee because it unconsciously doesn't want a painful landing that can cause other issues). So this is probably nothing serious, but you need to get that calf checked out. If, however, you continue to aggravate I can almost guarantee sometime or later you will probably tear your meniscus because you keep compensating. DO NOT do anything to aggravate these types of things -- avoid any painful activity. I would say to get this checked out by a physical therapist so you can get some true rehab stuff for your calf. Non-painful activity is generally ok I would say, but definitely please get that checked out. You are giving yourself worse problems trying to work out through it and whatnot. | ||
Sneakyz
Sweden2361 Posts
On January 19 2012 23:34 eshlow wrote: Show nested quote + On January 19 2012 18:33 Sneakyz wrote: 1. Google a pic and mark where it hurts. + Show Spoiler + I had a hard time finding a decent picture, but here's the best I found. IGNORE the red/blue stuff, I've marked my pain area in GREEN. If I'd try to describe it, the pain is where the front and middle deltoid start to separate. I think it's just bones, no muscle, right between middle/front deltoid. + Show Spoiler + 2. What exercises hurt? Which shoulder articulations hurt? Make sure you check both with passive motion and resistive/active motion. http://www.exrx.net/Articulations/Shoulder.html Flexion: Going from bottom to about headheight with like 5kg, there is no pain. Extension: I did a dumbbell pullover, I assume it's the same thing? There is no pain during the movement itself, but I can feel a slight pain during the stretch at the bottom. Adduction: Pullups, there is pain when elbows are 90 degrees, and above that point. Abduction: Pain throughout the entire movement. Transverse Adduction: No pain. Transverse Flexion: Slight pain at the bottom, otherwise no pain. Transverse Abduction: Pain during the top 20 or so degrees. Transverse Extension: No pain. Medial Rotation (Internal Rotation): No pain. Lateral Rotation (External Rotation): No pain, but my awful flexibility only allows me to get to about 45 degrees on the upper part of the movement. See edit, also. 3. What type of pain is it? Burning? Ache? Tingling? Sharp? Not sure about these, definitely not sharp like when I strained my back. Not really tingling, so I guess ache. 4. What would you rate the pain at on a 0/10 scale? 0 being no pain, 10 being go to the emergency room. When it's just the motion maybe 1-2, with weights 2-3. It's not like I have to stop because of the pain. 5. Acute or chronic (chronic more than ~6-8 weeks)? What date was onset? How has the pain improved since the initial injury? Probably chronic, don't remember when I first felt it but it was several months ago, but very very slight, during bench press. Now it's more painful. 6. Have you been training through pain? If so, how long? Well yes, but at first it would disappear after my first work set, and it was barely noticeable. I would say maybe 1 month where it has been noticeable through all my sets. 7. How deep is the pain? Is it more superficial tissues? Or does it seem to be more inside or around the joint? Describe it. There doesn't seem to be any muscles where the pain is so I assume it's either a bone or the joint. If I press on the bone it hurts more. 8. What have you been doing for recovery purposes? Nothing really, I did some rotator cuff stuff with external rotation before bench pressing, I think it helped a little bit during the exercise but there was still pain. 9. What seems to help? What seems to make it worse? Is it constant? Does it increase/decrease with certain activities? It gets less painful the further I get in my workout, but the pain never go below a certain point. It's not really constant, it's during certain parts of the movements. The two worst exercises would be heavy benchpress and overhead press. And it's then mainly throughout the bottom portion and gets gradually less painful the further up I get. 10. Check the tissue quality of the surrounding muscles. Which ones are tight? Which ones are tender? Is there any swelling? If I relax the arm on something there isn't really anything tight except for my traps, because I seem to have somewhat of a stiff neck. No tender and I can't really see any swelling. 11. How does it feel after exercise (if any)? How does it feel at the beginning of the day? How about the end of the day? Well after I've done the exercises I would say it feels better, because then I guess it's kind of stretched and warmed up, but a while later it feels worse. I haven't really noticed any difference throughout the day if I don't perform any exercises. If anything I would say it feels slightly better later on in the day, because I have a tendency to sleep on my shoulders. 12. Any previous injury history? I have some tendonitis in my left forearm I've been working on with stretches/massage and all that busniess, but it's in the other arm. 13. How's your posture? Since I started lifting weights my posture has pretty much fixed itself apart from my shoulders, which are slouching forward. But I guess it doesn't really help I do everything in front of the computer besides cooking, walking dog and working out. 14. What is your current workout routine for that bodypart? Do you play any sports? I play tennis very casually for 1 hour every weekend, but nothing serious. This is my entire routine: + Show Spoiler + Day 1: Upper Body Power Day Pulling Power Movement: Bent over or Pendlay rows 3 sets of 3-5 reps Assistance Pulling movement: Weighted Pull ups 2 sets of 6-10 reps Auxiliary Pulling movement: Rack chins 2 sets of 6-10 reps Pressing Power Movement: Flat barbell bench presses 3 sets of 3-5 reps Assistance pressing movement: Weighted dips 2 sets of 6-10 reps Assistance pressing movement: Seated dumbbell shoulder presses 3 sets of 6-10 reps Auxiliary curling movement: Dumbbell curls 3 sets of 6-10 reps Auxiliary extension movement: Tricep extensions 3 sets of 6-10 reps Day 2: Lower Body Power Day Pressing Power Movement: Squats/deadlifts (alternating every week) 3 sets of 3-5 reps Assistance pressing movement: Front squats 2 sets of 6-10 reps Assistance extension movement: Leg extensions 2 sets of 6-10 reps Assistance pulling movement: Romanian deadlifts 3 sets of 5-8 reps Assistance pulling/curling movement: Lying leg curls 2 sets of 6-10 reps Auxiliary calf movement: Standing calf raise 3 sets of 6-10 reps Auxiliary calf movement: Seated calf raise 2 sets of 6-10 reps Day 3: Rest Day 4: Back and Shoulders Hypertrophy Day Pulling Power Exercise speed work: Bent over or Pendlay rows 6 sets of 3 reps with 65-70% of normal 3-5 rep max Hypertrophy pulling movement: Rack chins 3 sets of 8-12 reps Hypertrophy pulling movement: T-bar row 3 sets of 8-12 reps Hypertrophy pulling movement: Dumbbell rows or shrugs bracing upper body against an incline bench 2 sets of 12-15 reps Hypertrophy pulling movement: Close grip pulldowns 2 sets of 15-20 reps Hypertrophy shoulder movement: Seated dumbbell presses 3 sets of 8-12 reps Hypertrophy shoulder movement: Barbell shrugs 2 sets of 12-15 reps Hypertrophy shoulder movement: Side lateral raises with dumbbells 3 sets of 12-20 reps Day 5: Lower Body Hypertrophy Day Lower Body Power Exercise speed work: Squats/deadlifts 6 sets of 3 reps with 65-70% of normal 3-5 rep max Hypertrophy pressing movement: Front squats 3 sets of 8-12 reps Hypertrophy pressing movement: Back squats 2 sets of 12-15 reps Hypertrophy extension movement: Leg extensions 3 sets of 15-20 reps Hypertrophy pulling movement: Romanian deadlifts 3 sets of 8-12 reps Hypertrophy curling movement: Lying leg curls 2 sets of 12-15 reps Hypertrophy curling movement: Seated leg curls 2 sets of 15-20 reps Hypertrophy calf movement: Donkey calf raises 4 sets of 10-15 reps Hypertrophy calf movement: Seated calf raises 3 sets of 15-20 reps Day 6: Chest and Arms Hypertrophy Day Pressing Power Exercise speed work: Flat dumbbell presses 6 sets of 3 reps with 65-70% of normal 3-5 rep max Hypertrophy pressing movement: Incline Barbell Bench presses 3 sets of 8-12 reps Hypertrophy pressing movement: Flat barbell bench press 3 sets of 12-15 reps Hypertrophy fly movement: Incline dumbbell flyes 2 sets of 15-20 reps Hypertrophy curling exercise: Dumbbell preacher curls 3 sets of 8-12 reps Hypertrophy curling exercise: Dumbbell concentration curls 2 sets of 12-15 reps Hypertrophy curling exercise: Spider curls bracing upper body against an incline bench 2 sets of 15-20 reps Hypertrophy extension exercise: Lying dumbbell tricep extension 3 sets of 8-12 reps Hypertrophy extension exercise: Bench dips 2 sets of 12-15 reps Hypertrophy extension exercise: Seated dumbbell tricep extension 2 sets of 15-20 reps Day 7: Rest 15. Any other information I should be aware of or that comes to mind that may help? Not that I can think of. Thanks for any help Edit: I was messing around some with my arm now, and the Medial Rotation (Internal Rotation) seems to hurt now, it didn't before. It starts to hurt when my arm points about 45 degrees away from my body and beyond that point. Or maybe this technically is an external rotation? It seems that, if I keep my upper arm really tight against my body, I don't feel any pain, but if I let it flare out just a couple of cm, there is pain. Edit 2: It definitely hurts more now than before I did all those exercises provided in the link, if that is of any help. It's been about 2 hrs since I did them. it's likely biceps long head tendonitis Direct soft tissue work to the biceps + foam rolling + some heat to loosen the muscle up and see how it does... sometimes just loosening up the muscle will quell the tendonitis. If it needs more than that we'll see.. Other such stuff in here: http://www.eatmoveimprove.com/2009/08/on-tendonitis/ So I just took a week off from lifting, since I haven't in like forever, and did what you suggested and I can pretty much move my arm around freely without any pain now. If I try to push down my arm while holding it in the lower position of a overhead press I can still feel it, but it's very, very slight. I'll probably keep doing it for a few days more just to be sure. How would you recommend I proceed from here? Should I start adding in light exercises and if so, any specific ones? Thanks for your help | ||
infinity21
Canada6683 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + 1. Google a pic and mark where it hurts. It's in my lower lumbar disc. Probably L4 or L5? Hard to pinpoint exactly since I'm not too familiar with anatomy. 2. What exercises hurt? Which shoulder articulations hurt? Make sure you check both with passive motion and resistive/active motion. http://www.exrx.net/Articulations/Shoulder.html Any type of rounding of my back (opposite of arching in case that's not clear). There is no noticeable pain when my spine is neutral or arched. 3. What type of pain is it? Burning? Ache? Tingling? Sharp? Aching 4. What would you rate the pain at on a 0/10 scale? 0 being no pain, 10 being go to the emergency room. When it's present, depends on how much compression force is being put on. I'd rate it at 1-3, nothing major. 5. Acute or chronic (chronic more than ~6-8 weeks)? What date was onset? How has the pain improved since the initial injury? Happened last Wed when I DLed with bad form. Pain is still about the same I think. Hard to tell since I'm avoiding rounding my back. All I know is that it's still there and it hasn't gotten noticeably better. 6. Have you been training through pain? If so, how long? No. I did some really light DLs at 135 (3 singles) on Friday to see how I'm feeling but that's it. Also did some light front squats but I didn't go ATG so pain (and buttwink) was minimal. 7. How deep is the pain? Is it more superficial tissues? Or does it seem to be more inside or around the joint? Describe it. Definitely deeper inside compared to when I had a back strain a couple of months back. 8. What have you been doing for recovery purposes? Not much.. not rounding my back and not bending over to pick up objects. 9. What seems to help? What seems to make it worse? Is it constant? Does it increase/decrease with certain activities? Not sure what helps. I'm sure DLing 3 plates again will kill it beyond repair lol. Only present when I'm rounding my back or trying to twist my torso. Pain seems slightly worse twisting to my left when I'm sitting down but I feel next to no pain twisting to my right when I'm standing up. 10. Check the tissue quality of the surrounding muscles. Which ones are tight? Which ones are tender? Is there any swelling? Tissue quality seems pretty normal. 11. How does it feel after exercise (if any)? How does it feel at the beginning of the day? How about the end of the day? Fine as long as I avoid rounding my back. Got a bench PR on Friday and my back seems fine. Pain isn't worse at any point in the day. 12. Any previous injury history? Strained my lower back a couple of months ago but that's about it I think. 13. How's your posture? Been trying to keep a good posture since Thurs. 14. What is your current workout routine for that bodypart? Do you play any sports? I do low bar squats, DLs (obviously not since the injury), and cleans. No sports. 15. Any other information I should be aware of or that comes to mind that may help? Nope, I think I said it all in the questions. | ||
eshlow
United States5210 Posts
On January 29 2012 19:44 Sneakyz wrote: Show nested quote + On January 19 2012 23:34 eshlow wrote: On January 19 2012 18:33 Sneakyz wrote: 1. Google a pic and mark where it hurts. + Show Spoiler + I had a hard time finding a decent picture, but here's the best I found. IGNORE the red/blue stuff, I've marked my pain area in GREEN. If I'd try to describe it, the pain is where the front and middle deltoid start to separate. I think it's just bones, no muscle, right between middle/front deltoid. + Show Spoiler + 2. What exercises hurt? Which shoulder articulations hurt? Make sure you check both with passive motion and resistive/active motion. http://www.exrx.net/Articulations/Shoulder.html Flexion: Going from bottom to about headheight with like 5kg, there is no pain. Extension: I did a dumbbell pullover, I assume it's the same thing? There is no pain during the movement itself, but I can feel a slight pain during the stretch at the bottom. Adduction: Pullups, there is pain when elbows are 90 degrees, and above that point. Abduction: Pain throughout the entire movement. Transverse Adduction: No pain. Transverse Flexion: Slight pain at the bottom, otherwise no pain. Transverse Abduction: Pain during the top 20 or so degrees. Transverse Extension: No pain. Medial Rotation (Internal Rotation): No pain. Lateral Rotation (External Rotation): No pain, but my awful flexibility only allows me to get to about 45 degrees on the upper part of the movement. See edit, also. 3. What type of pain is it? Burning? Ache? Tingling? Sharp? Not sure about these, definitely not sharp like when I strained my back. Not really tingling, so I guess ache. 4. What would you rate the pain at on a 0/10 scale? 0 being no pain, 10 being go to the emergency room. When it's just the motion maybe 1-2, with weights 2-3. It's not like I have to stop because of the pain. 5. Acute or chronic (chronic more than ~6-8 weeks)? What date was onset? How has the pain improved since the initial injury? Probably chronic, don't remember when I first felt it but it was several months ago, but very very slight, during bench press. Now it's more painful. 6. Have you been training through pain? If so, how long? Well yes, but at first it would disappear after my first work set, and it was barely noticeable. I would say maybe 1 month where it has been noticeable through all my sets. 7. How deep is the pain? Is it more superficial tissues? Or does it seem to be more inside or around the joint? Describe it. There doesn't seem to be any muscles where the pain is so I assume it's either a bone or the joint. If I press on the bone it hurts more. 8. What have you been doing for recovery purposes? Nothing really, I did some rotator cuff stuff with external rotation before bench pressing, I think it helped a little bit during the exercise but there was still pain. 9. What seems to help? What seems to make it worse? Is it constant? Does it increase/decrease with certain activities? It gets less painful the further I get in my workout, but the pain never go below a certain point. It's not really constant, it's during certain parts of the movements. The two worst exercises would be heavy benchpress and overhead press. And it's then mainly throughout the bottom portion and gets gradually less painful the further up I get. 10. Check the tissue quality of the surrounding muscles. Which ones are tight? Which ones are tender? Is there any swelling? If I relax the arm on something there isn't really anything tight except for my traps, because I seem to have somewhat of a stiff neck. No tender and I can't really see any swelling. 11. How does it feel after exercise (if any)? How does it feel at the beginning of the day? How about the end of the day? Well after I've done the exercises I would say it feels better, because then I guess it's kind of stretched and warmed up, but a while later it feels worse. I haven't really noticed any difference throughout the day if I don't perform any exercises. If anything I would say it feels slightly better later on in the day, because I have a tendency to sleep on my shoulders. 12. Any previous injury history? I have some tendonitis in my left forearm I've been working on with stretches/massage and all that busniess, but it's in the other arm. 13. How's your posture? Since I started lifting weights my posture has pretty much fixed itself apart from my shoulders, which are slouching forward. But I guess it doesn't really help I do everything in front of the computer besides cooking, walking dog and working out. 14. What is your current workout routine for that bodypart? Do you play any sports? I play tennis very casually for 1 hour every weekend, but nothing serious. This is my entire routine: + Show Spoiler + Day 1: Upper Body Power Day Pulling Power Movement: Bent over or Pendlay rows 3 sets of 3-5 reps Assistance Pulling movement: Weighted Pull ups 2 sets of 6-10 reps Auxiliary Pulling movement: Rack chins 2 sets of 6-10 reps Pressing Power Movement: Flat barbell bench presses 3 sets of 3-5 reps Assistance pressing movement: Weighted dips 2 sets of 6-10 reps Assistance pressing movement: Seated dumbbell shoulder presses 3 sets of 6-10 reps Auxiliary curling movement: Dumbbell curls 3 sets of 6-10 reps Auxiliary extension movement: Tricep extensions 3 sets of 6-10 reps Day 2: Lower Body Power Day Pressing Power Movement: Squats/deadlifts (alternating every week) 3 sets of 3-5 reps Assistance pressing movement: Front squats 2 sets of 6-10 reps Assistance extension movement: Leg extensions 2 sets of 6-10 reps Assistance pulling movement: Romanian deadlifts 3 sets of 5-8 reps Assistance pulling/curling movement: Lying leg curls 2 sets of 6-10 reps Auxiliary calf movement: Standing calf raise 3 sets of 6-10 reps Auxiliary calf movement: Seated calf raise 2 sets of 6-10 reps Day 3: Rest Day 4: Back and Shoulders Hypertrophy Day Pulling Power Exercise speed work: Bent over or Pendlay rows 6 sets of 3 reps with 65-70% of normal 3-5 rep max Hypertrophy pulling movement: Rack chins 3 sets of 8-12 reps Hypertrophy pulling movement: T-bar row 3 sets of 8-12 reps Hypertrophy pulling movement: Dumbbell rows or shrugs bracing upper body against an incline bench 2 sets of 12-15 reps Hypertrophy pulling movement: Close grip pulldowns 2 sets of 15-20 reps Hypertrophy shoulder movement: Seated dumbbell presses 3 sets of 8-12 reps Hypertrophy shoulder movement: Barbell shrugs 2 sets of 12-15 reps Hypertrophy shoulder movement: Side lateral raises with dumbbells 3 sets of 12-20 reps Day 5: Lower Body Hypertrophy Day Lower Body Power Exercise speed work: Squats/deadlifts 6 sets of 3 reps with 65-70% of normal 3-5 rep max Hypertrophy pressing movement: Front squats 3 sets of 8-12 reps Hypertrophy pressing movement: Back squats 2 sets of 12-15 reps Hypertrophy extension movement: Leg extensions 3 sets of 15-20 reps Hypertrophy pulling movement: Romanian deadlifts 3 sets of 8-12 reps Hypertrophy curling movement: Lying leg curls 2 sets of 12-15 reps Hypertrophy curling movement: Seated leg curls 2 sets of 15-20 reps Hypertrophy calf movement: Donkey calf raises 4 sets of 10-15 reps Hypertrophy calf movement: Seated calf raises 3 sets of 15-20 reps Day 6: Chest and Arms Hypertrophy Day Pressing Power Exercise speed work: Flat dumbbell presses 6 sets of 3 reps with 65-70% of normal 3-5 rep max Hypertrophy pressing movement: Incline Barbell Bench presses 3 sets of 8-12 reps Hypertrophy pressing movement: Flat barbell bench press 3 sets of 12-15 reps Hypertrophy fly movement: Incline dumbbell flyes 2 sets of 15-20 reps Hypertrophy curling exercise: Dumbbell preacher curls 3 sets of 8-12 reps Hypertrophy curling exercise: Dumbbell concentration curls 2 sets of 12-15 reps Hypertrophy curling exercise: Spider curls bracing upper body against an incline bench 2 sets of 15-20 reps Hypertrophy extension exercise: Lying dumbbell tricep extension 3 sets of 8-12 reps Hypertrophy extension exercise: Bench dips 2 sets of 12-15 reps Hypertrophy extension exercise: Seated dumbbell tricep extension 2 sets of 15-20 reps Day 7: Rest 15. Any other information I should be aware of or that comes to mind that may help? Not that I can think of. Thanks for any help Edit: I was messing around some with my arm now, and the Medial Rotation (Internal Rotation) seems to hurt now, it didn't before. It starts to hurt when my arm points about 45 degrees away from my body and beyond that point. Or maybe this technically is an external rotation? It seems that, if I keep my upper arm really tight against my body, I don't feel any pain, but if I let it flare out just a couple of cm, there is pain. Edit 2: It definitely hurts more now than before I did all those exercises provided in the link, if that is of any help. It's been about 2 hrs since I did them. it's likely biceps long head tendonitis Direct soft tissue work to the biceps + foam rolling + some heat to loosen the muscle up and see how it does... sometimes just loosening up the muscle will quell the tendonitis. If it needs more than that we'll see.. Other such stuff in here: http://www.eatmoveimprove.com/2009/08/on-tendonitis/ So I just took a week off from lifting, since I haven't in like forever, and did what you suggested and I can pretty much move my arm around freely without any pain now. If I try to push down my arm while holding it in the lower position of a overhead press I can still feel it, but it's very, very slight. I'll probably keep doing it for a few days more just to be sure. How would you recommend I proceed from here? Should I start adding in light exercises and if so, any specific ones? Thanks for your help You didn;t have to take a week off... you just need to take off from any exercises that aggravate it If you could do exercise that didn't aggravate it you can still do that Taking off completely is kinda not what you wanna do lol But yeah, start working your way back in with light weights. Only if it doesnt bother you. And make sure you keep continuing to do soft tissue work and whatnot for at least another month (you can probably taper it down slowly as it gets better though), but you definitely dont want to stop doing that either | ||
Sneakyz
Sweden2361 Posts
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infinity21
Canada6683 Posts
On January 30 2012 03:41 infinity21 wrote: So I'm fairly certain I have a bulging lumbar disc but thought I'd confirm it with eshlow and other knowledgeable people here. The main question I have is how long it would take before I can start doing stuff like front squats and speed DLs (I think I'm going to wait at least a month before I max out on DLs again). + Show Spoiler + 1. Google a pic and mark where it hurts. It's in my lower lumbar disc. Probably L4 or L5? Hard to pinpoint exactly since I'm not too familiar with anatomy. 2. What exercises hurt? Which shoulder articulations hurt? Make sure you check both with passive motion and resistive/active motion. http://www.exrx.net/Articulations/Shoulder.html Any type of rounding of my back (opposite of arching in case that's not clear). There is no noticeable pain when my spine is neutral or arched. 3. What type of pain is it? Burning? Ache? Tingling? Sharp? Aching 4. What would you rate the pain at on a 0/10 scale? 0 being no pain, 10 being go to the emergency room. When it's present, depends on how much compression force is being put on. I'd rate it at 1-3, nothing major. 5. Acute or chronic (chronic more than ~6-8 weeks)? What date was onset? How has the pain improved since the initial injury? Happened last Wed when I DLed with bad form. Pain is still about the same I think. Hard to tell since I'm avoiding rounding my back. All I know is that it's still there and it hasn't gotten noticeably better. 6. Have you been training through pain? If so, how long? No. I did some really light DLs at 135 (3 singles) on Friday to see how I'm feeling but that's it. Also did some light front squats but I didn't go ATG so pain (and buttwink) was minimal. 7. How deep is the pain? Is it more superficial tissues? Or does it seem to be more inside or around the joint? Describe it. Definitely deeper inside compared to when I had a back strain a couple of months back. 8. What have you been doing for recovery purposes? Not much.. not rounding my back and not bending over to pick up objects. 9. What seems to help? What seems to make it worse? Is it constant? Does it increase/decrease with certain activities? Not sure what helps. I'm sure DLing 3 plates again will kill it beyond repair lol. Only present when I'm rounding my back or trying to twist my torso. Pain seems slightly worse twisting to my left when I'm sitting down but I feel next to no pain twisting to my right when I'm standing up. 10. Check the tissue quality of the surrounding muscles. Which ones are tight? Which ones are tender? Is there any swelling? Tissue quality seems pretty normal. 11. How does it feel after exercise (if any)? How does it feel at the beginning of the day? How about the end of the day? Fine as long as I avoid rounding my back. Got a bench PR on Friday and my back seems fine. Pain isn't worse at any point in the day. 12. Any previous injury history? Strained my lower back a couple of months ago but that's about it I think. 13. How's your posture? Been trying to keep a good posture since Thurs. 14. What is your current workout routine for that bodypart? Do you play any sports? I do low bar squats, DLs (obviously not since the injury), and cleans. No sports. 15. Any other information I should be aware of or that comes to mind that may help? Nope, I think I said it all in the questions. | ||
Release
United States4397 Posts
On January 27 2012 09:49 eshlow wrote: Show nested quote + On January 22 2012 06:46 Release wrote: 1. Google a pic and mark where it hurts. this where it says calf muscle. My right calf by the way. + Show Spoiler + 2. What exercises hurt? Which shoulder articulations hurt? Make sure you check both with passive motion and resistive/active motion. http://www.exrx.net/Articulations/Shoulder.html None of the exercises hurt. When i'm at the bottom of a squat, there is an irritation 3. What type of pain is it? Burning? Ache? Tingling? Sharp? Sometimes, my calf gets very tight and hard. At the top, there is slight tingling, and at the side, pressure. 4. What would you rate the pain at on a 0/10 scale? 0 being no pain, 10 being go to the emergency room. 1, it's not painful, but more of extremely irritating. 5. Acute or chronic (chronic more than ~6-8 weeks)? What date was onset? How has the pain improved since the initial injury? I'm not sure when it began because at first i thought it was DOMS or some soreness, but at least 3 weeks ago. No change in this time. 6. Have you been training through pain? If so, how long? I took a break from squatting for about 2 weeks now. 7. How deep is the pain? Is it more superficial tissues? Or does it seem to be more inside or around the joint? Describe it. It's very much at the surface (just under the skin). I can touch skin around my calf and I can literally feel where it is irritating. 8. What have you been doing for recovery purposes? Ice and massage. 9. What seems to help? What seems to make it worse? Is it constant? Does it increase/decrease with certain activities? Ice and massage provide temporary relief. It's occurs when i stand up for a while and don't move around (like shower) 10. Check the tissue quality of the surrounding muscles. Which ones are tight? Which ones are tender? Is there any swelling? At the very top, it's tender, but at the side, very tight. My right calf is visually larger than my left. 11. How does it feel after exercise (if any)? How does it feel at the beginning of the day? How about the end of the day? No change. 12. Any previous injury history? The one about my lower back a week ago? 13. How's your posture? fine. 14. What is your current workout routine for that bodypart? Do you play any sports? Used to squat, haven't in a while. No. 15. Any other information I should be aware of or that comes to mind that may help? My right calf moves around a lot more than my left, especially at the top Hmmm, interesting. Try using some heat and afterward some very light stretching -- focus on deep breaths in through the nose and out slowly through the mouth while stretching to relax the muscle Also, do some soft tissue work with plantar fascia, hamstrings, and glutes aside from the calf. Break out hte foam roller can i still squat and/or dead? also i forgot to mention something about the injury: The original cause ( i believe) of the injury was when i was doing a leg stretch where i stretched my right leg to the side and slowly approached the ground. Don't know if that helps but it should narrow what it could be a little. | ||
Jerubaal
United States7684 Posts
Am I holding my hands too close together or not supporting the weight well enough? | ||
rEiGN~
369 Posts
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eshlow
United States5210 Posts
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Crownlol
United States3726 Posts
Any tips for working through hip bursitis? My left hip started hurting after I pushed my running speed up quite a bit in two weeks (doing 10mph quarters now between lifts). It hurts on the front, maybe on the outside. Not while I'm running, but immediately after. It's now starting to hurt sort of all the time, feeling stiff and sore. It hurts most if I put my weight on that leg, but the pain is right when I release the weight. Its getting frustrating, I turned my speed down to 6mph and it doesn't seem to be getting better. Thanks all! -Crown | ||
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