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On July 02 2013 12:39 L_Master wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2013 12:28 AirbladeOrange wrote:On July 02 2013 09:59 L_Master wrote:
Okay, going back to altitude after almost 5 weeks at sea level is...a shock to the system if you will.
Racing on the 4th, and probably the 14th because its for a really great cause, but aside from that not planning to do much running in July to try and get 100% healthy. Looking at alot of elliptical, and trying some pool running as well.
Really the main focus will be on eating healthy and getting back to where I need to be weight wise. How do you know where you think you should be with your weight? Well, back when I started in mid 11' I dropped from 175 to very high 140's which is where I remained for most of my running fluctuating between say 148-153. I certainly expect I can stand to lose another 5-10 pounds from there, given that at those high 140's I still wasn't showing abs and had hints of love handles. As I see it there are two good approaches that can work for finding a good race weight: 1) Keep losing weight gradually until you reach a point where you don't quite feel you can train right, then go back up 3-5 pounds. 2) Clean up your diet, eat according to hunger/training demands, and let your weight settle where it naturally will (which is often quite near your correct race weight).
I tend to gain a few pounds when serious training. I will just eat as much as I can fit in my stomach after every workout.
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On July 03 2013 01:48 AirbladeOrange wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2013 12:39 L_Master wrote:On July 02 2013 12:28 AirbladeOrange wrote:On July 02 2013 09:59 L_Master wrote:
Okay, going back to altitude after almost 5 weeks at sea level is...a shock to the system if you will.
Racing on the 4th, and probably the 14th because its for a really great cause, but aside from that not planning to do much running in July to try and get 100% healthy. Looking at alot of elliptical, and trying some pool running as well.
Really the main focus will be on eating healthy and getting back to where I need to be weight wise. How do you know where you think you should be with your weight? Well, back when I started in mid 11' I dropped from 175 to very high 140's which is where I remained for most of my running fluctuating between say 148-153. I certainly expect I can stand to lose another 5-10 pounds from there, given that at those high 140's I still wasn't showing abs and had hints of love handles. As I see it there are two good approaches that can work for finding a good race weight: 1) Keep losing weight gradually until you reach a point where you don't quite feel you can train right, then go back up 3-5 pounds. 2) Clean up your diet, eat according to hunger/training demands, and let your weight settle where it naturally will (which is often quite near your correct race weight). I tend to gain a few pounds when serious training. I will just eat as much as I can fit in my stomach after every workout.
That seems to work fairly well for most people, particularly if you have decent amount of fruits/veggies/etc. I know personally if I ate calorie dense stuff like PB&J, pizza, beef, junk foods, etc. I would gain a ton of weight. Then again, it's really easy for me to eat 2000+ calories in just one sitting.
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On the subject of weight, I apparently just lost six pounds in sweat while attempting to run intervals in the middle of a heat wave. (Spoiler alert: this is a terrible idea.)
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On July 03 2013 04:53 Bonham wrote:
On the subject of weight, I apparently just lost six pounds in sweat while attempting to run intervals in the middle of a heat wave. (Spoiler alert: this is a terrible idea.)
Ah yea this definitely happens. Normally I lose 2-6 pounds for a general aerobic run, and have been as much as 10-12 pounds down after a good 20 miler.
How hot is the heat wave? Here in CO we don't have much humidity to deal with, so even running at like 85-90 is pretty bearable. I'll do general runs at any temperature outside, slowing as needed, but usually if it gets much over upper 80s I head inside for the mill or change the day if I had a workout planned. I suspect this would be significantly lower if I was dealing with a place that had routine 60s or 70s for dew points.
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The high today is 33 C, which Google informs me you heathen Americans call 91.4 F. Not sure about the humidity, but I heard on the radio that Environment Canada had issued a Humidex warning for the day. Since I'm on vacation, I thought I could cheat by doing my workout after I was done digesting breakfast. Turns out I was wrong. First rep felt fine, second was a bit of a slog. I tried to readjust my goal and just go by effort for the third, but when I staggered through the fourth in 5:55, I gave up. I could feel my heart racing like mad and decided to opt for the better part of valor. Even lurching home at 5:40/km was a slog at that point. Felt similar to another aborted workout two months ago, which I stupidly tried to do the day after I donated blood.
Normally Alberta gets about this hot for a few weeks every summer, but without this dang humidity. There's supposed to be an absolutely ripping thunderstorm tonight. I hope it clears some of this moisture out of the air.
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On July 03 2013 04:58 L_Master wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2013 04:53 Bonham wrote:
On the subject of weight, I apparently just lost six pounds in sweat while attempting to run intervals in the middle of a heat wave. (Spoiler alert: this is a terrible idea.) Ah yea this definitely happens. Normally I lose 2-6 pounds for a general aerobic run, and have been as much as 10-12 pounds down after a good 20 miler. How hot is the heat wave? Here in CO we don't have much humidity to deal with, so even running at like 85-90 is pretty bearable. I'll do general runs at any temperature outside, slowing as needed, but usually if it gets much over upper 80s I head inside for the mill or change the day if I had a workout planned. I suspect this would be significantly lower if I was dealing with a place that had routine 60s or 70s for dew points.
Do you live anywhere near Fort Collins?
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On July 03 2013 13:25 AirbladeOrange wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2013 04:58 L_Master wrote:On July 03 2013 04:53 Bonham wrote:
On the subject of weight, I apparently just lost six pounds in sweat while attempting to run intervals in the middle of a heat wave. (Spoiler alert: this is a terrible idea.) Ah yea this definitely happens. Normally I lose 2-6 pounds for a general aerobic run, and have been as much as 10-12 pounds down after a good 20 miler. How hot is the heat wave? Here in CO we don't have much humidity to deal with, so even running at like 85-90 is pretty bearable. I'll do general runs at any temperature outside, slowing as needed, but usually if it gets much over upper 80s I head inside for the mill or change the day if I had a workout planned. I suspect this would be significantly lower if I was dealing with a place that had routine 60s or 70s for dew points. Do you live anywhere near Fort Collins?
About 90 minutes South.
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On July 03 2013 14:43 L_Master wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2013 13:25 AirbladeOrange wrote:On July 03 2013 04:58 L_Master wrote:On July 03 2013 04:53 Bonham wrote:
On the subject of weight, I apparently just lost six pounds in sweat while attempting to run intervals in the middle of a heat wave. (Spoiler alert: this is a terrible idea.) Ah yea this definitely happens. Normally I lose 2-6 pounds for a general aerobic run, and have been as much as 10-12 pounds down after a good 20 miler. How hot is the heat wave? Here in CO we don't have much humidity to deal with, so even running at like 85-90 is pretty bearable. I'll do general runs at any temperature outside, slowing as needed, but usually if it gets much over upper 80s I head inside for the mill or change the day if I had a workout planned. I suspect this would be significantly lower if I was dealing with a place that had routine 60s or 70s for dew points. Do you live anywhere near Fort Collins? About 90 minutes South.
I'll keep that in mind the next time I make it out there to visit my friend.
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United States24680 Posts
What do you do about sweat while running? I find at 5.2 mph at about the 10 minute mark I start to really need to towel off my forehead to prevent sweat from going into my eyes (assuming 70F, no sun). Then I need to every couple of minutes from then on!
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On July 03 2013 15:16 micronesia wrote:
What do you do about sweat while running? I find at 5.2 mph at about the 10 minute mark I start to really need to towel off my forehead to prevent sweat from going into my eyes (assuming 70F, no sun). Then I need to every couple of minutes from then on!
I usually don't have sweat go into my eyes but you could use a headband or a bandana.
When I was in high school there was this guy who had a unibrow and said he liked it because it was practical. He claimed it prevented sweat from going into his eyes. So maybe you should grow a unibrow.
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United States24680 Posts
Hm... I guess I could try a headband (I think I have a WeMade Fox Bandanna also lol). If I'm running indoors on a treadmill I can just have a towel nearby, but for running outdoors a headband might work.
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On July 03 2013 15:32 micronesia wrote:
Hm... I guess I could try a headband (I think I have a WeMade Fox Bandanna also lol). If I'm running indoors on a treadmill I can just have a towel nearby, but for running outdoors a headband might work.
I don't ever have a problem with sweat outside given the extra air moving by to wick away moisture, though I have noticed I naturally wipe my brow frequently...like every 30s or so.
Inside is alot worse, as I am a sweat machine. Usually it's dripping off my clothes and I am soaked after just 30 or 40 minutes. Best you can do is just have a towel (or three) and use accordingly. No recommendations for outside, aside from just using your hand to flick the main sweat off your brow as needed.
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I wear a Bandana. I started using one in the early spring when it was still cold to protect my ears because they start hurting when they get cold and wet -.-
Then I noticed that there's no more sweat running in my eyes so I'm wearing it almost everytime now. I wear it around my wrist when it's scorching hot and I feel that I need any cooling possible for my head and use the bandana to wipe my forehead.
I'm a sweat machine, too btw. I even sweat when I play BW or LoL.
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Hit around the 400-450 mile mark on my Newton Distance running shoes. They are great. Problem is they are nowhere to be found here in the UK (between models I imagine and all the sale stuff is sold out). I'm going back to my Nike Lunaracers which have been my minimalist go to shoe for the past three years and hold up find until I start hitting 70+ miles a week.
Hottest day we've had here is in the mid 20s so I'm not complaining. 99 degrees in Calgary according to my parents yesterday.
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
At what point do you start to "enjoy" running?
I finished C25K and am going on to 10K (and made way more progress than I ever expected!), but I still don't look forward to my runs.
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On July 03 2013 23:01 GrandInquisitor wrote:
At what point do you start to "enjoy" running?
I finished C25K and am going on to 10K (and made way more progress than I ever expected!), but I still don't look forward to my runs.
I think that varies for everyone and depends on your mindset. I know there are some elite runners that still don't really enjoy running even after 10+ years, but enjoy the competing aspect enough to train.
For me I started to enjoy it right about the time I moved off the treadmill and started running outside. Over time it grew on me, and I made a point to have a mindset of trying to embrace every run rather than thinking of it as something that would be a chore.
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United States24680 Posts
I can definitely feel GI. Before I started training recently I thought running was basically x minutes of extreme discomfort, followed by 5-10 minutes of sweat and exhaustion. Now I'm running 3-4 times a week and my thoughts seem to be entirely accurate. Progress is also very slow. 3 weeks ago I had worked up to running at 5 mph for 30 minutes. Now I'm doing 5.2 mph for 30 minutes. It will be another week or two before I can seriously consider bumping up my speed to 5.4 mph. At this rate I'll be running fast enough about when I qualify for AARP.
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I thought running was basically x minutes of extreme discomfort,
my thoughts seem to be entirely accurate.
That's not good. There is no reason you should be in extreme discomfort while running, unless you have some major injury or are getting into the latter stages of a race. The running itself should be comfortable and relatively conversational.
Also:
Progress is also very slow.
3 weeks ago I had worked up to running at 5 mph for 30 minutes. Now I'm doing 5.2 mph for 30 minutes. It will be another week or two before I can seriously consider bumping up my speed to 5.4 mph.
So, in the span of maybe 3-5 weeks, you will have gone from somewhere below 5mph to nearly 5.5 mph. In running terms, in less than a month you will have taken 1 MINUTE per mile off your typical pace.
Not sure how on earth that is slow progress...thats like mega speed progress. If you kept that progress up in just 3 or 4 months you would be capable of running sub 20 5k, a time that puts you typically in the top 5-10% of local road races. Also, once you start getting out and racing a little bit and adding in some faster stuff you'll probably see another big burst of improvement.
Keep in mind that good runners aren't made over weeks or months. They are made over years. Your typical HS cross country runner with some talent might start at 20-22 min for 5k, and by his senior year improve to 16-18 minutes. That is, at best, 30s per mile PER YEAR and someone following that sort of progression is definitely considered to major improvement. From there, that athlete might be lucky over college and post college (4-6+ years more) to get down to 15 or maybe 14 min type times.
Bottom line is, developing as a runner takes time. You don't go from the couch to somewhat competitive in your local 5k over the course of a few months.
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United States24680 Posts
Well I should be clear: I hate cardio. I guess this isn't specific to running, although running is the only involved thing I am doing or have done in a while. In order to not feel really exhausted while running I would either need to do short runs or very slow runs. I don't feel like jogging at sub-walking speed though. Hopefully it just slowly gets/feels better as I get used to it.
As for progress... yeah I guess I have to recognize just how bad off I am to start... so it will indeed take months for my running to get at all respectable.
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Well I should be clear: I hate cardio.
Well, if that is the case I would say do one of two things:
1) Don't do "cardio". Go do strength training, or get involved with a sports league, or whatever
2) Change your mindset. Stop telling yourself you hate it and instead embrace it. This is essentially what I did...as when I started I HATED running. But after a little bit I said "okay, this is dumb". I switched up where I ran and decided I liked running. After I had a few really great runs just in the groove I realized that I REALLY like running.
Oh, do yourself a favor and get off the treadmill. It really is self-imposed torture, and it constrains you. You can't naturally let your body fluctuate as it wants to pace wise, nor can you start doing things like natural progression runs. I wouldn't use it other than to dodge totally garbage weather. Find some nice trails, or at least a decent road, and just go cruise.
Hopefully it just slowly gets/feels better as I get used to it.
It will.
The other thing you should consider doing now that you are used to running is go hop in a local 5k, and see what you can do. It's quite possible you'll suprise yourself.
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