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On November 14 2013 13:32 GuiltyJerk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2013 09:54 Najda wrote:On November 14 2013 09:34 zatic wrote:On November 14 2013 08:28 SjPhotoGrapher wrote:
Okay so who lives longer disregarding genetics and chance of death from a car accident or other common ways to die?
The person that eats Paleo or the person that eats Vegan and replaces the meat with more vegetables, fruits, & nuts and also supplements to get their essential oils and other vitamins?
What has more nutritional value in it? Vegetables/fruits or meat?
Also, the last time that I check The China Study is the largest study showcasing that eating meat might not be as good as eating more fruits/vegetables/nuts.
It also has been refuted and counter refuted. Didn't we already establish that you are eating Paleo too like 6 months ago? If we ignore him maybe he'll go away. Anyway, I'm slowly bulking atm, gaining roughly a pound a week over the last few weeks. How long should I go for until I start cutting, or more precisely, are there certain triggers I should look for? For example gaining x pounds or being y bodyfat% I think the conventional wisdom is aim to keep gaining 0.5-1.0 pounds per week, and then you cut whenever you feel the time is right (getting chubbier than you like or whatevs) if you want a hard number, a lot of people say they start bulking when they hit ~12% bodyfat. If you stay lean and keep adding weight then more power to you 
Ok thanks. I'm at ~153 @ 13% right now, I'll probably get up to 160 then decide what to do next. My end goal is 170 lbs @8% so it will probably be a few bulk/cut cycles at least.
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On November 14 2013 13:35 Mstring wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2013 13:11 SjPhotoGrapher wrote:
The difference is that raw fish is way better for you than this cooked stuff most of you guys are eating. No other animals besides humans cook their food.
What's the difference between eating the fish while it's still flapping and waiting a minute, an hour, a day? When you said "dead meat" earlier did you mean cooked meat?
It loses it's nutritional value each second that goes by after it's dead and you don't eat it.
It goes from a state of being alive to decaying and going rancid.
By dead meat I mean't cooked meat.
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On November 14 2013 08:39 autoexec wrote:
On a kind of similar but separate note, what do you guys think in general about a bulking diet of the following:
Various fruits and vegetables
Whole Grain Pasta
Equal parts red meat/Chicken/Fish (no sauce)
Around half a gallon of milk (skim) a day
My sports season is coming to an end soon and I'm looking to put on as much lean weight I can in the offseason. Lifting-wise I'm pretty sure I am solid other than some mobility stuff that I will try to find out, but I'm in the dark about nutrition. I think it's wise to cut out processed foods completely, but other than that, I'm not sure how to bulk clean. Could anyone help me out?
IMO potatoes and rice are preferable to pasta... but wheat products don't bother some people so if it doesn't bother you feel free to eat them.
Whole milk is healthier than skim
The protein intake is fine. Aim for at least .8-1 g/lbs per day
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Okay I will try whole milk instead. If potatoes and rice are better than pasta then I will definitely substitute that. Just so happens that I love both of those! :D
And if I want to bulk from around 170 lbs to a bit over 200, would a pound of meat and half a gallon of milk a day suffice for protein? Or do I need to get some more intake in other areas?
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1 Lb of chicken breast is 140g of protien, 1/2 gal of whole milk is 60g of protien, so you would be consuming 200g per day, which is enough according to eshlow's 1g/lb. You can find the nutrition values of food online pretty easy if you're eating something other than chicken breast.
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Fish is best for raw protein though.
1 can of $1 tuna has 40 grams of protein.
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I wish tuna out here had both 40g of protein and was $1!
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Zurich15363 Posts
Man bad food is so .... bad.
I am currently forced to a diet of like 80% pasta and bread. I just feel sick, bloated, and gassy every day and lose all appetite.
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constraints from your work?
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I've found after pizza or something with gluten I'll have some discomfort the next hour but it's not too bad. However, if I have a bowl of oatmeal (different protein iirc) I'm gassy for the next 24 hrs and its terrrrrible. Anything sugary like cake/muffin just makes me feel like crap for the next few hours.
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Relative to working out, at what point do you recommend eating meat?
I've just started a program at my uni gym that makes me lift stuff and do cardio three times a week, on Tuesdays, Thursdays and Saturdays. Should I eat meat/fish on gym days or on days after gym days?
In keeping with cardio, I thought I'd eat a cup of nuts and berries a day, two pieces of veg a day and meat/fish either on or after workout days.
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Eat meat and fish everyday. I like to have a light meal a couple hours before lifting if i can, and usually have dinner/lunch after i work out.
Two pieces of vag a day? You must be killin it with the women
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I can't eat fish and meat everyday, far too expensive.
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On November 23 2013 02:54 SixStrings wrote:
I can't eat fish and meat everyday, far too expensive.
Must be hella expensive in germany? I don't eat fish everyday (good fish is 5-10$/pound, tuna is very cheap though), but i have loads of chicken/beef/pork (1.50-4$ per 450g)
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I only like chicken, and that is about 1€ for 100g, but you also have to cook it.
I don't pay for electricity, but I'd feel silly using the oven or the stove just to cook 100g of meat every day.
Compared to everything else, that's ridiculous.
At any rate, my question was more about at what point relative to training should one eat?
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if your concern is turning on the stove or oven to prepare your meal everyday, then just cook for 3 days or the whole week... You'd be surprised good food still tastes if you store it in the fridge.
Also I attend TU Berlin and get an All you can eat ( well all you can put on your plate) meal in my cafeteria for ~3€ which includes rice/potatoes/pasta+loaaaads of veggis+main (I usualy pick the chicken or fish that's on the menue, sometimes steak.)
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You can cook a bunch and put the rest away to reheat later if you really are concerned about efficiency. For dinner each night I'll usually cook ~250g of chicken on the stovetop with a variety of veggies; it only takes about 15 minutes of prep + cooking.
In terms of timing, I usually try to eat something 1-2 hours before I work out and then immediately after, but really unless you're an advanced lifter looking for every edge then just working out and eating consistently will give you the vast majority of the results.
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On November 23 2013 03:25 AsnSensation wrote:
if your concern is turning on the stove or oven to prepare your meal everyday, then just cook for 3 days or the whole week... You'd be surprised good food still tastes if you store it in the fridge.
Also I attend TU Berlin and get an All you can eat ( well all you can put on your plate) meal in my cafeteria for ~3€ which includes rice/potatoes/pasta+loaaaads of veggis+main (I usualy pick the chicken or fish that's on the menue, sometimes steak.)
Yeah, the uni Mensa is great, and I use it regularly. Just to brag: mine was voted "Mensa des Jahres" multiple times and the food is just great.
We have an open buffet and you pay for how much your food weighs, so that's my main supply of meat and assorted veggies and salad.
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i think the general consensus on the timing of meals relative to training is that it doesn't matter as long as your body is comfortable with it. i've heard of people who like training on an empty stomach, full stomach, and everything in between. again, there'll always be really specific stuff out there saying "you shouldn't eat right before you sleep" or "you should drink a protein shake 1 to 2 hours after working out to get the most out of it." you can follow a guideline you like if you want. but to be honest, i'm sure eating 4 hours after working out instead of 2 hours will only cause a minute, if any, difference in results. timing of meals contributes barely anything to your gains when compared to things like consistency and eating right.
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my cat fuckin loves cooked meat
he always leaves it in too long tho
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