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BenKen
Profile Joined August 2009
United States860 Posts
October 08 2013 18:31 GMT
#3201
Ahzz, what are your big over-arching goals? Are you prepping for a sport or going for all-around health and aesthetics? Weight loss/gain/maintenance?

Without knowing what you're shooting for I'd say add some rows of some sort to balance out all of the pressing movements. Power Cleans are a staple of being athletically awesome as well.
I deadlift for Aiur
Ahzz
Profile Joined May 2007
Finland780 Posts
October 08 2013 18:45 GMT
#3202
Oh I guess I should have clarified.
Aesthetics are a bonus, but bodybuilding is a no no. I'm going for all-around health, having a solid base for most sports and being relatively strong. Once relatively strong is established, I'd like to maintain that and maybe develop myself in many bodyweight skills such as dragon flags, handstands, L seats and such. (Doesn't matter if its a matter of years, if I have some goals to shoot for)
I'm 6'3 @ 84kg or so, I wouldnt mind keeping this weight, though adding a few kg more wont hurt. The less the better, as long as I dont lose much strength.

I guess I'll have a look at rows and/or powercleans.
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20164 Posts
October 08 2013 18:50 GMT
#3203
6'3 84kg O.O
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
BenKen
Profile Joined August 2009
United States860 Posts
October 08 2013 19:39 GMT
#3204
On October 09 2013 03:45 Ahzz wrote:
Oh I guess I should have clarified.
Aesthetics are a bonus, but bodybuilding is a no no. I'm going for all-around health, having a solid base for most sports and being relatively strong. Once relatively strong is established, I'd like to maintain that and maybe develop myself in many bodyweight skills such as dragon flags, handstands, L seats and such. (Doesn't matter if its a matter of years, if I have some goals to shoot for)
I'm 6'3 @ 84kg or so, I wouldnt mind keeping this weight, though adding a few kg more wont hurt. The less the better, as long as I dont lose much strength.

I guess I'll have a look at rows and/or powercleans.

Ah ok, cool. Yeah, you need to head over here then:

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I deadlift for Aiur
Ahzz
Profile Joined May 2007
Finland780 Posts
October 08 2013 20:00 GMT
#3205
On October 09 2013 03:50 decafchicken wrote:
6'3 84kg O.O

finding good pants is hard enough as it is decaf! Do not tempt me! No srsly I know that I really wouldnt look any worse or especially big even if I was 90kg. However atm Im quite lean, definately under 15% body fat. Rough, very uneducated estimate would be around 10-12%
phyre112
Profile Joined August 2009
United States3090 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-08 20:40:13
October 08 2013 20:28 GMT
#3206
On October 09 2013 05:00 Ahzz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2013 03:50 decafchicken wrote:
6'3 84kg O.O

finding good pants is hard enough as it is decaf! Do not tempt me! No srsly I know that I really wouldnt look any worse or especially big even if I was 90kg. However atm Im quite lean, definately under 15% body fat. Rough, very uneducated estimate would be around 10-12%


Finding good jeans is hard is impossible, give up now. Finding good pants is relatively easy (says 6'4 90kg me). At least if you're in the US.

Damn "skinny" trend.

Gogogo triple digits. You can do it.

As far as that workout routine, you've got the right idea. I know nothing about bodyweight skills, but if you want to get your bench up you probably need a bit more volume than SS offers. What I've been doing is sort of a texas method approach - go to a 5rm one day and always try to PR. Follow it up with three light sets (60-70% of the max) for 8 reps with a significant (2-3 second) pause on the chest. Then on the third workout of the week, I do a heavy 5x5 with 90%ish of the 5rm and follow up with some dips. The hard thing is getting enough pulling in there to balance out if you're only doing three workouts. If you could do some chins in the same workout, rows the workout in between, and then you're also working levers when you're at home though, that would probably be plenty.

It's been great to me. Taken care of my shoulder problems and has me well on my way to 100kg bench. I'm not focusing on OHP at the moment though, so no tips there, except to say that it's mostly a mental lift.
Earll
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Norway847 Posts
October 08 2013 21:08 GMT
#3207
Think I have pretty much same 'problem' as you ahzz just decent bit earlier in the progression. Following SS but doing Deadlifts instead of powercleans right now, so Deadlift and Squat everyday I work out and Switch between Bench and OHP. Squat has been steadily going up 2.5kg per workout and is at 80kg now (me being 1.80cm and like 84kg) deadlift is lagging a bit behind so I am probably a fair bit under my max, its at 70kg. Feels like both of these lifts still have some way to go before i reach a max lift even if i didnt get stronger. My OHP seems to be somewhat stuck at 32.5kg though (Tried 35kg today and failed) and my bench at 22.5kg. (dumbells) and has been there for quite a while.

Just realized now though that for some reason I dont warm up as much with my arm exercises. With Squats and deadlifts I do 10kg increments when warming up and 5-5-5-5-4-3 reps. So on mysquats I get like 6 warm up sets before my real set whereas with OHP or Bench press I might just do like 2 or even 1 warmup set with a bit lighter weight, so maybe thats part of the reason it seems to be stagnating so quickly, I dont know.
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decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20164 Posts
October 08 2013 21:41 GMT
#3208
On October 09 2013 05:00 Ahzz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2013 03:50 decafchicken wrote:
6'3 84kg O.O

finding good pants is hard enough as it is decaf! Do not tempt me! No srsly I know that I really wouldnt look any worse or especially big even if I was 90kg. However atm Im quite lean, definately under 15% body fat. Rough, very uneducated estimate would be around 10-12%

Come to the dark side. The power is strong on this side of 100kg.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10119 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-11 20:59:00
October 11 2013 20:58 GMT
#3209
is there any difference between eating a 100 calories "clean food" and 100 calories "junk food"?
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
infinity21 *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada6683 Posts
October 11 2013 21:09 GMT
#3210
Yes, of course.
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Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10119 Posts
October 11 2013 21:25 GMT
#3211
in a losing weight perspective?
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
infinity21 *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada6683 Posts
October 11 2013 21:37 GMT
#3212
In the context of losing weight, you'll preserve more muscle (with sufficient protein intake) and be healthier in general (due to better micronutrients). Plus, you'll feel more full when you eat clean foods (in general) so you end up eating less.
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MtlGuitarist97
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States1539 Posts
October 14 2013 13:24 GMT
#3213
When should someone that's a beginner add power cleans to their program in starting strength? And is it advisable to try and learn how to power clean if you don't have someone to help teach it to you?
Ahzz
Profile Joined May 2007
Finland780 Posts
October 14 2013 13:55 GMT
#3214
On October 14 2013 22:24 MtlGuitarist97 wrote:
When should someone that's a beginner add power cleans to their program in starting strength? And is it advisable to try and learn how to power clean if you don't have someone to help teach it to you?

Once your deadlift is well over your squat you usually add powercleans in the typical SS program. You can learn it by yourself, just start with low weight and try to critically analyze and learn the movement as you go. Remember to listen to your body and search for mistakes in your form, and you can pick it up. Most people over here have learned it among other basic movements like squat and deadlift by themselves as far as I can tell.
Alternatively you can do other things as well, such as barbell rows as seen in stronglifts. Or pullups. or both.
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
October 14 2013 14:04 GMT
#3215
You're pretty good about taking videos mtl and you definitely want to do so for power cleans. Most of the other movements came naturally to me but power clean was like soooo off. Just post videos and you'll get lots of pointers. The sooner your start drilling the technique the sooner you can make serious progress
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MtlGuitarist97
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States1539 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-14 15:16:36
October 14 2013 15:16 GMT
#3216
@Ahzz - I'm planning on doing pull ups regardless of whether I do power cleans or not. I don't think they're an adequate substitution for them, since I'm planning on using power cleans to develop power and as a supplemental pull in addition to the deadlift. In terms of rows, I wouldn't be opposed to doing them on occasion, but it seems that there's no real way to build power from them. I understand that my power will go up just as I get stronger because of how force production works, but I wouldn't like to focus solely on strength.

So I guess I'll just start sometime soon then (I'm at 225 lbs for the deadlift and 135 lbs for the squat. I think this is an adequate spot to start from). Thanks for the help guys.
BenKen
Profile Joined August 2009
United States860 Posts
October 14 2013 16:04 GMT
#3217
For max awesomeness you could just learn to do a full clean movement. You could start with the California Strength clean progression vids listed in this post.

Speaking as someone who still sucks at olympic lifts, I suggest starting off with a broomstick or PVC pipe whichever route you go.
I deadlift for Aiur
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24777 Posts
October 14 2013 16:10 GMT
#3218
I did squats for the first time two days ago. I did a few with just the bar to try to get the hang of the form, and then I put 10 pounds on each end. I plan to do a few more sessions like this (unless you guys have a different suggestion).

Whatever the muscles are that connect the hamstring to the glute... they are still sore two days later. Is that normal? I didn't even do that many squats!
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BenKen
Profile Joined August 2009
United States860 Posts
October 14 2013 16:16 GMT
#3219
On October 15 2013 01:10 micronesia wrote:
I did squats for the first time two days ago. I did a few with just the bar to try to get the hang of the form, and then I put 10 pounds on each end. I plan to do a few more sessions like this (unless you guys have a different suggestion).

Whatever the muscles are that connect the hamstring to the glute... they are still sore two days later. Is that normal? I didn't even do that many squats!

You've taken your first step into a larger, more badass world! Yeah it's normal, and your body will get used to it in a week or two. You can squat again today if it's a workout day without hurting anything really, just make sure you warm up, stretch and don't go up in weight too much. You'll probably feel better if you get moving actually.
I deadlift for Aiur
infinity21 *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada6683 Posts
October 14 2013 16:23 GMT
#3220
On October 15 2013 01:10 micronesia wrote:
I did squats for the first time two days ago. I did a few with just the bar to try to get the hang of the form, and then I put 10 pounds on each end. I plan to do a few more sessions like this (unless you guys have a different suggestion).

Whatever the muscles are that connect the hamstring to the glute... they are still sore two days later. Is that normal? I didn't even do that many squats!

If your muscles are just sore, you can keep working out. If there's pain, I'd skip the workout and do some bodyweight squats, stretches, and foam rolling to get the blood flowing.

Are you following a specific program?
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