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ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
September 29 2013 08:31 GMT
#3161
It's always kinda amusing when people specify that they don't wish to get too big or bulky as though picking up a dumbbell will cause you to swell up into a mass monster.
Birdie
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
New Zealand4438 Posts
September 29 2013 09:00 GMT
#3162
On September 29 2013 17:31 ShadeR wrote:
It's always kinda amusing when people specify that they don't wish to get too big or bulky as though picking up a dumbbell will cause you to swell up into a mass monster.

Given I'm a noobie, and see plenty of big dudes in the gym who probably spend about the same amount of time as me there, fair enough "worry" to have I think

Someone at the gym told me not to do weighted squats as they'd make me bulk up (just as an aside, he's not training me or anything). I've been doing squats with a 3kg medicine ball between my knees, which is easy enough. Is he correct about weighted squats or incorrect?

With doing smaller reps and presumably bigger weight, is that better for having fit strong muscles? I would have thought it's better for bulking quickly but what do I know
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GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
September 29 2013 16:22 GMT
#3163
On September 29 2013 18:00 Birdie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2013 17:31 ShadeR wrote:
It's always kinda amusing when people specify that they don't wish to get too big or bulky as though picking up a dumbbell will cause you to swell up into a mass monster.

Given I'm a noobie, and see plenty of big dudes in the gym who probably spend about the same amount of time as me there, fair enough "worry" to have I think

Someone at the gym told me not to do weighted squats as they'd make me bulk up (just as an aside, he's not training me or anything). I've been doing squats with a 3kg medicine ball between my knees, which is easy enough. Is he correct about weighted squats or incorrect?

With doing smaller reps and presumably bigger weight, is that better for having fit strong muscles? I would have thought it's better for bulking quickly but what do I know


You are way too light for a male soccer player. Depending on your position and what you are comfortable with, you need to gain 5-10kg. Even messi got heavier imo.
Just do sets of 3-5 on the basics, dont waste away your energy on higher reps. You will build mass slowly, strength faster, and not interfere with your football training (most important thing imo). Don't do leg presses, they fuck up knees.
Also, a very overlooked benefit of strength training is injury prevention; heavy weights strenghten ligaments and joints.
GuiltyJerk
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States584 Posts
September 30 2013 03:42 GMT
#3164
On September 29 2013 17:31 ShadeR wrote:
It's always kinda amusing when people specify that they don't wish to get too big or bulky as though picking up a dumbbell will cause you to swell up into a mass monster.



One of the best counter arguments to that I've ever heard was:

"I don't wanna go to college because I'm afraid I'll accidentally get a PhD"
Najda
Profile Joined June 2010
United States3765 Posts
September 30 2013 03:44 GMT
#3165
On September 30 2013 12:42 GuiltyJerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2013 17:31 ShadeR wrote:
It's always kinda amusing when people specify that they don't wish to get too big or bulky as though picking up a dumbbell will cause you to swell up into a mass monster.



One of the best counter arguments to that I've ever heard was:

"I don't wanna go to college because I'm afraid I'll accidentally get a PhD"


Damnit I have gotten so many PhDs by accident you don't even know.
phyre112
Profile Joined August 2009
United States3090 Posts
September 30 2013 06:20 GMT
#3166
On September 30 2013 12:42 GuiltyJerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2013 17:31 ShadeR wrote:
It's always kinda amusing when people specify that they don't wish to get too big or bulky as though picking up a dumbbell will cause you to swell up into a mass monster.



One of the best counter arguments to that I've ever heard was:

"I don't wanna go to college because I'm afraid I'll accidentally get a PhD"


Wow - that's so incredibly accurate that I can't believe I haven't heard it before.

Probably because unless you've actually looked into getting one, you don't realize exactly how hard it is to get a PhD.
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20022 Posts
October 01 2013 15:22 GMT
#3167
On September 29 2013 16:35 Birdie wrote:
I'm starting to hit the gym regularly to get in shape for soccer next year (around 6 months away). Before this season just passed, I essentially hadn't exercised for around three years. Previously I played a lot of soccer, ran crosscountry and athletics, and swam regularly, so I know what to do to get my fitness and speed back. However, now that I'm playing in men's leagues, physical strength is quite a useful thing to have along with fitness and speed.

My basic goals with my strength training are to increase my overall strength, and not get too "big" while doing so. My current workout is basically separated arms/core/legs, and doing around 4 sets of 10 reps of whichever exercise I'm doing (bench press, pullups, dips, crunches, leg curls, and so on). I've also started the leangains-style intermittent fasting to lose the slight amount of fat I have (not completely sure that it's worth it, given that I'm already a pretty skinny guy at 63kg, ~179cm last check). For my diet, I'm basically not eating much sugar or processed food, plenty of carbs and protein (2-3 eggs a day), no supplements.

My basic questions are, is this roughly correct for being strong but not bulking too much? (I don't want to be a limbering beadt of a soccer player). And do I need to bother with the leangains intermittent fasting? I'll be doing separate training for cardio/fitness. I'm pretty new to the gym and strength/weight training.


There's nothing better you can do for soccer than squats and power cleans. It's like driving a fiat 500 versus a GTR. Sure its 'bigger' but it sure as hell performs better.

Just saw you're only 63kg at 179. back in my soccer days i was at least 85kg @ 180cm. Def need some to put on some weight and strength.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
NeedsmoreCELLTECH
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Netherlands1242 Posts
October 01 2013 17:38 GMT
#3168
I've been trying to go from skinny as hell to "too big" for over 3 years now with pretty obsessive dedication and I'm still not nearly "too bulky". Doing heavy squats and powercleans will not get you too big. Even if it would lead you insane muscle gains, look at top level sprinters, it's hardly slowing them down.
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Najda
Profile Joined June 2010
United States3765 Posts
October 02 2013 19:10 GMT
#3169
Looking to get a foam roller atm, was looking at these two:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0040NJOA0/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A12KEZCG9I0IOM
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008NEFDK2/ref=ox_sc_act_title_3?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A7WFZ6WKEE5EL

Any recommendations for which I should get? Or if you know of a better one I'm all ears.
BenKen
Profile Joined August 2009
United States860 Posts
October 02 2013 19:29 GMT
#3170
Out of those two I'd get the first one. Pretty much the classic roller. The second one's reviews say that the nubs are kinda soft, which kinda sucks imo. I've never used that one specifically though.

I've got this guy and I love it, the nubs are stiff so you can get into certain spots like the glutes almost (but not quite) like a lax ball, but it's expensive. My gf hates it though, so I'll probably end up getting the first one you linked eventually.
I deadlift for Aiur
MtlGuitarist97
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States1539 Posts
October 02 2013 19:32 GMT
#3171
Well, I actually own the first one you are looking at so I can tell you first hand what I've found:

It has several limitations, particularly in its size. You can't reach certain valuable parts of the body with it since it's big (I have the 36 inch one). If you just need a simple roller it will get the job done. There's really nothing to say about it other than that it's good and that it will do what you need it to, albeit with some limitations. There are better ones, but for the money it's really not bad at all.

I'd probably go the second one if I were you, but that's just my opinion. I'm actually looking at this roller, since I've heard really good things about it and want a simple (and smaller) roller that has a bit more firmness.
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20022 Posts
October 02 2013 19:59 GMT
#3172
Trigger Point Therapy roller or Rumble Roller

Both are a bit pricier but will last forever and work really well. I feel like the foam kind aren't dense enough to get in there and don't hold their shape during use or over time.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24690 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-02 20:03:18
October 02 2013 20:01 GMT
#3173
It seems like any running I do messes up my legs somewhat.

A few months ago I could go jogging several times a week without trouble. After I had a problem with one leg I rested a couple of weeks. Since then I've been trying to work back up to the jogging I used to do.

I can't seem to do a full jog without noticing problems with my legs... this time it's not just the right leg anymore... it seems like the hip flexors on both sides get sensitive. Occasionally my knee bothers me a little bit. My lower legs are much more prone to getting really sore directly after running. No one thing by itself is a huge problem, but I know if I push myself (especially with regard to the flexors) it will get worse. I was just about to start learning how to do other weightlifting exercises (like squats) but now I don't even feel safe jogging anymore. I'm not sure what to do.

edit: I've started doing that hip stretch recently where you put your knee on the couch with your foot over the back pillow

edit2: I'm doing a lot of sitting lately which might be a cause
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decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20022 Posts
October 02 2013 20:23 GMT
#3174
Just like anything the more you use your body the more you have to take care of it. I used to be able to just go in and work out and play rugby and be fine. Now i do a lot more stretching and maintenance on my body but i'm also able to push it a lot harder than i used to and know a lot more about my body. Make sure you're recovering properly, stretch + foam roll + rest + food. Youtube and kelly starret have all the stretches you need for your legs. and yeah try not to sit too long without getting up and moving around.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24690 Posts
October 02 2013 20:32 GMT
#3175
Yeah it makes sense to me that adding many pounds of muscle over the months also means I have to put more effort into recovery and stretching... I've never really been taught most of this properly.

Can you give me something to read (or just a brief description) of the proper sequence for exercise (when/how to stretch, warmup, cardio, strength training, etc)?

Also please tell me which foam roll to get! Even the recent discussion leaves me unsure of what to do.
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12704 Posts
October 02 2013 20:34 GMT
#3176
Honestly anything for 20 bucks will be decent. After using it for 6 months you may have more specific preferences in mind and make another purchase. Any roller + lacrosse ball is going to get you 90% of the way there anyways.

You can check Limber 11 www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSSDLDhbacc‎ for a preset warm-up/stretch routine
I like to try and watch one episode at www.mobilitywod.com a day. It's all gold and worth 10 min a day.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20022 Posts
October 02 2013 20:37 GMT
#3177
Here's a good lower body warmup


I literally just posted the two foam rollers i recommend 3 posts ago. Everyone has different warm up routines and stretching. Whatever works for you. Some people don't warmup at all some go at for an hour. Google/youtube your problem areas and use as necessary. Kelly starret has something good for just about anything. Again don't over think stuff so much and do a bit of googling/reading/watching and most importantly DOING. I've learned far more from experimenting and experience than anything else.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24690 Posts
October 02 2013 20:50 GMT
#3178
On October 03 2013 05:37 decafchicken wrote:
I literally just posted the two foam rollers i recommend 3 posts ago.
Yes, two of them. And within a few posts three others were recommended. These all apparently have pros/cons which is why I said I was unsure of what to get. I can just take a stab at it, but I might not be getting the one that best suits my needs.

Everyone has different warm up routines and stretching. Whatever works for you. Some people don't warmup at all some go at for an hour. Google/youtube your problem areas and use as necessary. Kelly starret has something good for just about anything. Again don't over think stuff so much and do a bit of googling/reading/watching and most importantly DOING. I've learned far more from experimenting and experience than anything else.

I was basically out of commission for weeks because what I was doing apparently wasn't working. Telling me not to overthink this after that doesn't seem very applicable anymore.

Telling me to research my 'problem areas' also is difficult to follow because I don't know where my problem lies... I just know that using my legs is fucking them up. I will make sure not to sit for too long at a time as you suggested. I need to change my routine because of the problems I'm having... and I need help knowing what to change the routine to. How is this:

Before I leave the house to go to the gym (5 minutes away) do some of the foam roll stretches in that limber 11 video mordek suggested, and also do the hip flexor stretch on each side using the couch. Then go to the gym and walk for a few minutes on the treadmill. Then do everything else at the gym. Then come home, drink a protein shake, redo the foam roll stretches and couch stretch.

By the way can I use a softball instead of a lacrosse ball?
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mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12704 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-02 21:04:32
October 02 2013 21:02 GMT
#3179
On October 03 2013 05:50 micronesia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2013 05:37 decafchicken wrote:
I literally just posted the two foam rollers i recommend 3 posts ago.
Yes, two of them. And within a few posts three others were recommended. These all apparently have pros/cons which is why I said I was unsure of what to get. I can just take a stab at it, but I might not be getting the one that best suits my needs.

Show nested quote +
Everyone has different warm up routines and stretching. Whatever works for you. Some people don't warmup at all some go at for an hour. Google/youtube your problem areas and use as necessary. Kelly starret has something good for just about anything. Again don't over think stuff so much and do a bit of googling/reading/watching and most importantly DOING. I've learned far more from experimenting and experience than anything else.

I was basically out of commission for weeks because what I was doing apparently wasn't working. Telling me not to overthink this after that doesn't seem very applicable anymore.

Telling me to research my 'problem areas' also is difficult to follow because I don't know where my problem lies... I just know that using my legs is fucking them up. I will make sure not to sit for too long at a time as you suggested. I need to change my routine because of the problems I'm having... and I need help knowing what to change the routine to. How is this:

Before I leave the house to go to the gym (5 minutes away) do some of the foam roll stretches in that limber 11 video mordek suggested, and also do the hip flexor stretch on each side using the couch. Then go to the gym and walk for a few minutes on the treadmill. Then do everything else at the gym. Then come home, drink a protein shake, redo the foam roll stretches and couch stretch.

By the way can I use a softball instead of a lacrosse ball?

Your example sincerely sounds like a great start. You should start that asap.

I think what decafchicken is getting at is the common "paralysis by analysis" problem. You're better off doing anything on any foam roller then spending the next week+ debating on the foam roller. I do this all the time myself personally. You have to put off the purchase to do more research, then your life is busy so you don't get around to that for awhile. Then when you do you get some more questions and put it off again. We're trying to encourage you to make a leap now and then you'll have a better understanding. I think your foam roller question can be settled by "Am I willing to spend $60+ on the premium roller yes/no?" If you answer no, pick whichever $20 roller comes with free shipping on prime and you're set.

Softball works but not quite the same. Doesn't quite get into your glutes the way a lacrosse will. In the same way you can use a golf ball on your calves (you golf right?) Softball is nice for the hamstrings as it gets off the ground far enough but gets in there unlike a foam roller.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
MtlGuitarist97
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States1539 Posts
October 02 2013 21:08 GMT
#3180
Any tips on my squat form would be greatly appreciated. This is my first time squatting in a squat stand, so the racking/unracking was a bit awkward.



Some stuff that I'm pretty sure I had an issue with:

-Rounded lower back (butt wink)
-Chest not far enough up
-Neck/head positioning(?)

I feel like my depth was pretty good, but I had the issue with butt wink. On some of the reps it was a bit more exaggerated though.
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