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infinity21
Canada6683 Posts
On December 25 2012 09:52 LovE- wrote: Will it be possible for me to go up 2.5kg each workout on my squat and bench while cutting? Depends on your diet, how much weight you have to lose, how fast you're losing weight, how strong you are currently etc. | ||
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LovE-
United States1963 Posts
On December 25 2012 17:35 infinity21 wrote: Depends on your diet, how much weight you have to lose, how fast you're losing weight, how strong you are currently etc. Just started squatting, and benching for the most part has been off and on. I will be at a 500 cal deficit, I don't think I have THAT much weight to lose, maybe another 5-10 lbs. or so. Looking at ~1 lb lost per week. | ||
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Sneakyz
Sweden2361 Posts
On December 25 2012 09:44 .Mystic wrote: Is isolate protein an unnecessary expense? Isolate vs Regular whey From all that I've read, the general consensus is that they aren't going to affect your health and it only boils down to how much and how hard you exercise. If this is true, is isolate protein either just a luxury or some good marketing in fooling the general public? (If there were 2kg whey protein and 2kg isolate protein and the price difference between these two were $10. Would the Isolate be worth the extra money?) Not worth it unless you're lactose intolerant or can get it for the same price, get regular whey if you want extra protein. Don't think I've ever even heard of any bodybuilder/powerlifter using isolate unless they get it from their sponsor. | ||
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infinity21
Canada6683 Posts
On December 25 2012 18:12 LovE- wrote: Just started squatting, and benching for the most part has been off and on. I will be at a 500 cal deficit, I don't think I have THAT much weight to lose, maybe another 5-10 lbs. or so. Looking at ~1 lb lost per week. Squat will very likely keep going up if you just started. Bench, you'll have to focus a lot on form but you'll probably stall relatively quickly (compared to squats) on something like starting strength. After you completely plateau (as described in SS), I'd change the bench workouts to be more high intensity, low volume (e.g. reverse pyramid). Also, if you're at <12% bodyfat, you'll lose strength moreso than if you have >15% bf. My suggestion is to just do it and find out for yourself  | ||
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LovE-
United States1963 Posts
On December 26 2012 00:31 infinity21 wrote: Squat will very likely keep going up if you just started. Bench, you'll have to focus a lot on form but you'll probably stall relatively quickly (compared to squats) on something like starting strength. After you completely plateau (as described in SS), I'd change the bench workouts to be more high intensity, low volume (e.g. reverse pyramid). Also, if you're at <12% bodyfat, you'll lose strength moreso than if you have >15% bf. My suggestion is to just do it and find out for yourself Yeah that's what I figured Thanks a lot! Will update after ~2 months | ||
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Impervious
Canada4211 Posts
I went from 255 lbs to 215 in one year. I did not realize I had lost weight until I went home for the holidays, and my family noticed I had lost weight, so I decided to check my weight, and there it was.... I'm not wearing any different clothing, my and jeans are still a 32. I thought that maybe I had lost a bit, but not 40 lbs worth..... I have hovered between 240 and 260 for several years regardless of my eating and exercise habits..... I used to be very active, and then University hit, and I went from 4 hrs a day in the gym, 6 days a week (I used to play football at a competitive level) to absolutely no more exercise than the walk to the nearest fast food joint. I'm type 2 diabetic, so I do watch what I eat and drink to an extent, but at the same time, there are a lot of times where I'll just eat a large pizza for dinner because I'm lazy as fuck when I get home from work. And I drink quite a lot of beer. I typically have work that is somewhat physical, but there is no way that I'm burning that many calories. I mean, to lose weight that fast is like cutting an entire meal out of my diet every day, or intentionally working on a deficit in order to lose weight..... I definitely didn't do that. Losing weight would normally be a good thing, except this just doesn't make any sense to me, so I'm wondering if something might be wrong with me. Am I missing something here? | ||
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decafchicken
United States20074 Posts
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Impervious
Canada4211 Posts
I've gone years without a significant fluctuation in my weight, and suddenly I've lost 40 lbs in the last year without trying to lose weight. Something seems off..... | ||
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YoucriedWolf
Sweden1456 Posts
On December 27 2012 13:27 Impervious wrote: Ok, I need some outside thoughts on my situation. I lost a shitload of weight in the last year. And I didn't try to lose any. I went from 255 lbs to 215 in one year. I did not realize I had lost weight until I went home for the holidays, and my family noticed I had lost weight, so I decided to check my weight, and there it was.... I'm not wearing any different clothing, my and jeans are still a 32. I thought that maybe I had lost a bit, but not 40 lbs worth..... I have hovered between 240 and 260 for several years regardless of my eating and exercise habits..... I used to be very active, and then University hit, and I went from 4 hrs a day in the gym, 6 days a week (I used to play football at a competitive level) to absolutely no more exercise than the walk to the nearest fast food joint. I'm type 2 diabetic, so I do watch what I eat and drink to an extent, but at the same time, there are a lot of times where I'll just eat a large pizza for dinner because I'm lazy as fuck when I get home from work. And I drink quite a lot of beer. I typically have work that is somewhat physical, but there is no way that I'm burning that many calories. I mean, to lose weight that fast is like cutting an entire meal out of my diet every day, or intentionally working on a deficit in order to lose weight..... I definitely didn't do that. Losing weight would normally be a good thing, except this just doesn't make any sense to me, so I'm wondering if something might be wrong with me. Am I missing something here? If you've been through competitive fotball and 7kcal a day I feel like you should know the tricks of the trade, Shouldn't be anything obvious we can point out that you haven't thought of, the information you put out is just too generic and limited. 40 Ibs does not disappear unnoticed there will be a visual difference, are you losing muscle mass from not working out anymore? You are also implying that you have normal eating habits so you're not in a habit of getting insulin spikes at inopportune times that makes you fall behind on meals? That would leave some kind of hormonal dysfunction most likely caused by your diabetes. Potentially blocking your body from absorbing fatty acids at an optimal rate. And anyone would tell you to see a doctor if you want to know more about that. | ||
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Impervious
Canada4211 Posts
I'm still wearing the same sized clothing (although now that I think about it, my tailored tuxedo that I rarely wear does fit looser than it used to, but the vast majority of my clothing is loose fitting, so I didn't really notice a difference), I'm still the same height, and I'm still pretty strong (obviously not as strong as I used to be, but I'm the guy who gets called over when we need any heavy lifting done). Losing that much weight would be like running a deficiency of nearly 700 calories a day. That's a small meal I'm missing every day. I'm sure I would have noticed if I was under-eating by that much. I'm just worried that unless I'm missing something, there is something actually wrong with me. Because this just doesn't make sense. I feel fine, but this is really unusual, and is really illogical. | ||
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GuiltyJerk
United States584 Posts
On December 29 2012 13:14 Impervious wrote: I know I'm not the most knowledgeable about the gaining/losing weight thing, but I do understand the basic Calories in = Calories burnt for weight maintenance, and that a good rule of thumb is that for a 250 lb guy, I need to eat 2700 calories + whatever I burn while working out and/or working as a good benchmark for keeping a stable weight. I also know that I need to spread out those calories throughout the day to prevent insulin spikes (which is more important for me as a diabetic than it is for most people). I know some tricks to make sure I keep my blood sugar low while eating a lot, for instance, I always keep a massive bag of trail mix on me and I go through about 1kg of it every week by just snacking on it throughout the day, especially when I don't have time to really sit down to eat a proper meal when I should be. I'm still wearing the same sized clothing (although now that I think about it, my tailored tuxedo that I rarely wear does fit looser than it used to, but the vast majority of my clothing is loose fitting, so I didn't really notice a difference), I'm still the same height, and I'm still pretty strong (obviously not as strong as I used to be, but I'm the guy who gets called over when we need any heavy lifting done). Losing that much weight would be like running a deficiency of nearly 700 calories a day. That's a small meal I'm missing every day. I'm sure I would have noticed if I was under-eating by that much. I'm just worried that unless I'm missing something, there is something actually wrong with me. Because this just doesn't make sense. I feel fine, but this is really unusual, and is really illogical. It's been said several times before, go see a doctor. You keep suggesting it and then asking for our opinions, I don't know what you want to hear but we're saying go get yourself checked out if you think what's happening is sufficiently abnormal to warrant getting some checks. | ||
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decafchicken
United States20074 Posts
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YoucriedWolf
Sweden1456 Posts
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eshlow
United States5210 Posts
But anyway, if you're concerned definitely see a doc. | ||
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Jimmy Raynor
902 Posts
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Crushinator
Netherlands2138 Posts
On December 31 2012 17:06 Jimmy Raynor wrote: How heavy dumbbells should I buy if I am just starting to do exercises? My weight is 80kg. You can do a pretty decent dumbell workout if you are just starting out. But you will quickly outgrow anything you buy, if you do any kind of heavy excercise. We don't know how much money you are looking to spend but adjustable dumbells are very unwieldy, and the other type of dumbell is very expensive to buy in the amounts you need. You want to have light dumbells of 5kg and then you want to have them in 2,5kg increments up to atleast 30kg, but really as heavy as you can. Perhaps if you insist on working out at home you should look into getting a barbell and plates, a workout bench and some sort of adjustable rack. Such a setup will last for many years, will give you a superior workout (probably), and will beless expensive in the long run | ||
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eshlow
United States5210 Posts
On December 31 2012 17:06 Jimmy Raynor wrote: How heavy dumbbells should I buy if I am just starting to do exercises? My weight is 80kg. Get some barbells off of craigslist and 300 lbs of weights and a bench + squat rack | ||
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iokke
United States1179 Posts
1. If I have the Starting Strength videos as well, can I start using those and read the book while I'm already exercising, or should I try to finish the book first? I'm kinda anxious to start  2. After first few weeks of starting strength can I add cross-fit on off days and maybe p90x yoga/stretching? Will this reduce the efficiency of SS workouts because it can affect recovery? What about adding ab-workout, like ab-ripper x, after lifting? 3. Changing my diet will be the most difficult thing at the beginning. I've been reading a bit about it on interwebz, but can someone recommend some good websites that help you create appropriate diet regiment (im about 6' 165lb looking to gain weight, muscle). 4. Finally, SS recommends drinking a gallon of milk/day, which I can do but I'm not really a fan of milk. I can substitute with shakes etc., right? Or is milk that much better? Thanks | ||
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Ahzz
Finland780 Posts
1. If I have the Starting Strength videos as well, can I start using those and read the book while I'm already exercising, or should I try to finish the book first? I'm kinda anxious to start figure out the basics, the simple things. Once you think you somewhat know what you should do (aka, squat DEEP, knees shouldnt cave in, and try to focus with weight on your heels), go and start. However, as you keep progressing, keep coming back to it, because I promise that you'll keep finding more and more things to look out for. You will start off with a relatively light weight anyway, so you will have some time to correct mistakes before it gets heavy. 2. After first few weeks of starting strength can I add cross-fit on off days and maybe p90x yoga/stretching? Will this reduce the efficiency of SS workouts because it can affect recovery? What about adding ab-workout, like ab-ripper x, after lifting? Starting strength in itself will add just about as much muscle and strength on a beginner as is possible, of course with individual differences. If you add in more things, it is more things hindering you from optimal recovery for your next workout, and more things that you will have to eat for. If you are skinny, then eating even 500 kcal above maintenance with whole foods will be harder than you'd think. Of course you can add in other exercises to it too, and sometimes a sport may give you a real reason to work out at the gym etc. Maybe you wont get ideal gains with it, maybe you will, but who cares if you are happy with the progress and results that you are seeing. Regardless, your body needs time to recover, and if you add a lot of things you must eat like a gargantuan to give fuel to your body. Burning out is easy after your first impression dies out. Most people here will say that you don't need to add ANY muscle building workouts to SS, such as p90x or ab-rippers etc. I believe they are separate programs, and you don't want to mix them as a newbie. Consider your goals. If your goals are to have a six pack, then there ARE better, faster programs for it. If you want size, strength, and overall muscle to your frame, then SS is very good, and will get you ripped too, assuming that you cut later. Probably not as fast though. Most people here prefer actual strength over pure vanity. 3. Changing my diet will be the most difficult thing at the beginning. I've been reading a bit about it on interwebz, but can someone recommend some good websites that help you create appropriate diet regiment (im about 6' 165lb looking to gain weight, muscle). myfitnesspal on internet seems like an easy site to navigate and add foods etc if you want to. However, as a beginner, I would suggest focusing on getting enough protein, eating whole foods, and just trying to eat a ton. Observe your weight progress. Keep working out meanwhile. After working out and focusing on some things and getting it down well, then focus on paying more attention to your exact food intakes etc, OR if you notice problems with it (gain WAY too much weight, or barely any). I don't want to bring your enthusiasm down by any means. It's nice that you want to make a difference to your life, and SS is a great way to challenge yourself every week, three times a week. All I'm saying is, don't burn out like so many. Get the big things right, then focus on the details as a beginner. Don't burn out trying to make a dozen MASSIVE changes to your life in one go, because you may easily lose interest. You know best yourself though. 4. Finally, SS recommends drinking a gallon of milk/day, which I can do but I'm not really a fan of milk. I can substitute with shakes etc., right? Or is milk that much better? Thanks milk, yoghurt, etc is all fine. Really, a gallon of whole milk a day is by no means NECESSARY. However, a gallon of whole milk provides a ton of calories and protein, vitamins etc for your body, which lets you get ideal strength gains. If you decide not to drink milk, you can get optimal gains regardless. You don't need it. Just that eating enough becomes way harder if you decide not to drink it. Also, there are differences in people, but if you eat normal and drink a gallon of milk, you are likely to gain way more fat than necessary. optimal strength gains yes, because you get good nutrition, but also much unnecessary fat which you may need to burn out later. good luck bro | ||
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decafchicken
United States20074 Posts
Don't fuck with ss and you'll put on twenty pounds and you'll be squatting over 300. Gomad isn't necessary but it's an ez 3000 cals. P. S. This diet will probably make you a bit gassy and you'll be wrecking toilets til you adjust. 100% worth it. | ||
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