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On November 30 2012 23:37 Daigomi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2012 21:21 Crushinator wrote:
My deadlift has been problematic for me for a while now. I seem to be able to squat (ATG) considerably more than I can deadlift, which is unusual. I never have any trouble locking it out, its getting it off the floor that seems to be my major problem. Does anyone have any tips for me? Perhaps some assistance work that can solve this problem in time? Getting a bit desperate, I feel I should be able to pull much more. Record a video for us. As you say, you should be pulling more than you can squat. However, there's a wide variety of technical problems that can greatly decrease what you lift. Show nested quote +On November 30 2012 23:25 Crushinator wrote:On November 30 2012 22:57 GoTuNk! wrote:On November 30 2012 21:21 Crushinator wrote:
My deadlift has been problematic for me for a while now. I seem to be able to squat (ATG) considerably more than I can deadlift, which is unusual. I never have any trouble locking it out, its getting it off the floor that seems to be my major problem. Does anyone have any tips for me? Perhaps some assistance work that can solve this problem in time? Getting a bit desperate, I feel I should be able to pull much more. You need to load your body before pulling. Specifically, get ur abs and harmstring tight BEFORE you start pulling. No need for assistance, this is a technical issue. Also maybe try multiple little pulls, andy bolton style. Also, to get ur legs going, imagine pushing your feet towards the front rather than pulling at the start. Ok, thanks for the advice, that was quite helpful. I will try to put it in practice next time I pull heavy (2 weeks). Will try to warm up a bit better, maybe do a light set of hamstring work to get those tight, and do some light short pulls. I realised its a leg problem, but I've been quite focused on getting my quads in there, which is probably quite stupid. My form looks very good to me on succesful pulls, but my butt is maybe a bit higher than for most people. Would starting lower be a good idea to improve leg drive? Or would that have the opposite effect? Lowering your butt would increase leg drive at the expense of your back lever. You want to get the relationship right based on your dimensions.
I am somewhat hesitant about putting a video on a public forum. But I geuss I have to do everything I can. UnfortunateIy all the videos are on my training partners phone right now. So I'll have to wait untill after my deload and record one on my own phone.
However, I am pretty confident about how my succesful pulls looks on video, my spinal alignment is good, the motion to lockout is very smooth, and the bar goes up very straight under my scapula and i can feel the bar scraping against my legs. When I fail a pull there is nothing to see on video, the weight doesnt, or barely leaves the floor. I think i am not contracting some muscles properly like gotunks described above.
Thanks for your comment about lowering my butt. I think I'm going to try lowering it a bit gradually and see if I can get it right.
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South Africa4316 Posts
On November 30 2012 23:48 Crushinator wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2012 23:37 Daigomi wrote:On November 30 2012 21:21 Crushinator wrote:
My deadlift has been problematic for me for a while now. I seem to be able to squat (ATG) considerably more than I can deadlift, which is unusual. I never have any trouble locking it out, its getting it off the floor that seems to be my major problem. Does anyone have any tips for me? Perhaps some assistance work that can solve this problem in time? Getting a bit desperate, I feel I should be able to pull much more. Record a video for us. As you say, you should be pulling more than you can squat. However, there's a wide variety of technical problems that can greatly decrease what you lift. On November 30 2012 23:25 Crushinator wrote:On November 30 2012 22:57 GoTuNk! wrote:On November 30 2012 21:21 Crushinator wrote:
My deadlift has been problematic for me for a while now. I seem to be able to squat (ATG) considerably more than I can deadlift, which is unusual. I never have any trouble locking it out, its getting it off the floor that seems to be my major problem. Does anyone have any tips for me? Perhaps some assistance work that can solve this problem in time? Getting a bit desperate, I feel I should be able to pull much more. You need to load your body before pulling. Specifically, get ur abs and harmstring tight BEFORE you start pulling. No need for assistance, this is a technical issue. Also maybe try multiple little pulls, andy bolton style. Also, to get ur legs going, imagine pushing your feet towards the front rather than pulling at the start. Ok, thanks for the advice, that was quite helpful. I will try to put it in practice next time I pull heavy (2 weeks). Will try to warm up a bit better, maybe do a light set of hamstring work to get those tight, and do some light short pulls. I realised its a leg problem, but I've been quite focused on getting my quads in there, which is probably quite stupid. My form looks very good to me on succesful pulls, but my butt is maybe a bit higher than for most people. Would starting lower be a good idea to improve leg drive? Or would that have the opposite effect? Lowering your butt would increase leg drive at the expense of your back lever. You want to get the relationship right based on your dimensions. I am somewhat hesitant about putting a video on a public forum. But I geuss I have to do everything I can. UnfortunateIy all the videos are on my training partners phone right now. So I'll have to wait untill after my deload and record one on my own phone. However, I am pretty confident about how my succesful pulls looks on video, my spinal alignment is good, the motion to lockout is very smooth, and the bar goes up very straight under my scapula and i can feel the bar scraping against my legs. When I fail a pull there is nothing to see on video, the weight doesnt, or barely leaves the floor. I think i am not contracting some muscles properly like gotunks described above. Thanks for your comment about lowering my butt. I think I'm going to try lowering it a bit gradually and see if I can get it right.
Deadlift is strange in my experience. I lift with 4 friends and each of them (except my girlfriend, perhaps) had their own, unique problem with deadlift. All of them lift the bar reasonably well, but we worked on whatever they had issues with and it's greatly improved their lifts. Personally, I was stuck at a 2xBW lift with reasonable technique (in fact, I did everything you mentioned correctly) but it lacked hip drive. Fixing that has allowed me to go up with about 20kg while taking strain off of my back.
If you really feel strongly about posting a video of yourself in public, upload it to youtube and set it to unlisted, then PM it to some of the big lifters on TL (like decafchicken and Gotunk). I'm sure they'd give you good feedback. I wouldn't mind helping either but I can't pretend to have their level of expertise :p
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On December 01 2012 00:07 Daigomi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2012 23:48 Crushinator wrote:On November 30 2012 23:37 Daigomi wrote:On November 30 2012 21:21 Crushinator wrote:
My deadlift has been problematic for me for a while now. I seem to be able to squat (ATG) considerably more than I can deadlift, which is unusual. I never have any trouble locking it out, its getting it off the floor that seems to be my major problem. Does anyone have any tips for me? Perhaps some assistance work that can solve this problem in time? Getting a bit desperate, I feel I should be able to pull much more. Record a video for us. As you say, you should be pulling more than you can squat. However, there's a wide variety of technical problems that can greatly decrease what you lift. On November 30 2012 23:25 Crushinator wrote:On November 30 2012 22:57 GoTuNk! wrote:On November 30 2012 21:21 Crushinator wrote:
My deadlift has been problematic for me for a while now. I seem to be able to squat (ATG) considerably more than I can deadlift, which is unusual. I never have any trouble locking it out, its getting it off the floor that seems to be my major problem. Does anyone have any tips for me? Perhaps some assistance work that can solve this problem in time? Getting a bit desperate, I feel I should be able to pull much more. You need to load your body before pulling. Specifically, get ur abs and harmstring tight BEFORE you start pulling. No need for assistance, this is a technical issue. Also maybe try multiple little pulls, andy bolton style. Also, to get ur legs going, imagine pushing your feet towards the front rather than pulling at the start. Ok, thanks for the advice, that was quite helpful. I will try to put it in practice next time I pull heavy (2 weeks). Will try to warm up a bit better, maybe do a light set of hamstring work to get those tight, and do some light short pulls. I realised its a leg problem, but I've been quite focused on getting my quads in there, which is probably quite stupid. My form looks very good to me on succesful pulls, but my butt is maybe a bit higher than for most people. Would starting lower be a good idea to improve leg drive? Or would that have the opposite effect? Lowering your butt would increase leg drive at the expense of your back lever. You want to get the relationship right based on your dimensions. I am somewhat hesitant about putting a video on a public forum. But I geuss I have to do everything I can. UnfortunateIy all the videos are on my training partners phone right now. So I'll have to wait untill after my deload and record one on my own phone. However, I am pretty confident about how my succesful pulls looks on video, my spinal alignment is good, the motion to lockout is very smooth, and the bar goes up very straight under my scapula and i can feel the bar scraping against my legs. When I fail a pull there is nothing to see on video, the weight doesnt, or barely leaves the floor. I think i am not contracting some muscles properly like gotunks described above. Thanks for your comment about lowering my butt. I think I'm going to try lowering it a bit gradually and see if I can get it right. Deadlift is strange in my experience. I lift with 4 friends and each of them (except my girlfriend, perhaps) had their own, unique problem with deadlift. All of them lift the bar reasonably well, but we worked on whatever they had issues with and it's greatly improved their lifts. Personally, I was stuck at a 2xBW lift with reasonable technique (in fact, I did everything you mentioned correctly) but it lacked hip drive. Fixing that has allowed me to go up with about 20kg while taking strain off of my back. If you really feel strongly about posting a video of yourself in public, upload it to youtube and set it to unlisted, then PM it to some of the big lifters on TL (like decafchicken and Gotunk). I'm sure they'd give you good feedback. I wouldn't mind helping either but I can't pretend to have their level of expertise :p
My deadlift did (slightly) exceed my squat at some point, but I stopped (properly) deadlifting for a while because I felt i should be squatting heavy 3 times a week and when I tried fitting a deadlift day in there it resulted in me totally burning myself out, not wanting to leave bed the day after. So while my squat has improved quite dramatically, my deadlift has really fallen behind. I feel I have the strength, but it seems my body has to relearn deadlifting or something, very strange.
I'm probably just gonna man up and post my lifts in a couple weeks.
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Zurich15355 Posts
Chalk is great. I always had the problem that the bar was slipping through my hands way before I couldn't left more weight.
Now I am going bare double over hand warm up -> double overhand with chalk 90% warmup -> work set mixed grip with chalk.
That way I am now able to comfortably lift my previous PRs during warmup with just double overhand. So I have definitely built grip strength.
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On November 30 2012 18:12 Crushinator wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2012 14:30 Snuggles wrote:
Notes have been taken, I'm gonna practice with hook grips and if that doesn't then chalk it is. I just wished that I wasn't the only one in my gym doing this... Are you doing a real deadlift? Actually letting the weight briefly rest on the floor after each rep? Because if you just bring it down close to the floor, or let it touch the floor, without actually putting it down, it really isnt that strange that your grip struggles with max effort deadlifts.
Yup I let the weights smack the ground after each rep. I can't really not do that because I'm just too tired to keep holding on to the bar haha.
@Jingle
Yeah somewhat, but of course I'm only giving off that impression because I'm inexperienced. In my mind I only thought chalk was for really heavy advanced lifting so it's not cheating but at the same time I thought it wouldn't be necessary for me at my level. But it looks like I'm wrong, although it'd be nice just to have more grip strength regardless @_@.
Plus it doesn't help that my friends make fun of each other for having weak grip strength lol.
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On December 01 2012 07:08 Snuggles wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2012 18:12 Crushinator wrote:On November 30 2012 14:30 Snuggles wrote:
Notes have been taken, I'm gonna practice with hook grips and if that doesn't then chalk it is. I just wished that I wasn't the only one in my gym doing this... Are you doing a real deadlift? Actually letting the weight briefly rest on the floor after each rep? Because if you just bring it down close to the floor, or let it touch the floor, without actually putting it down, it really isnt that strange that your grip struggles with max effort deadlifts. Yup I let the weights smack the ground after each rep. I can't really not do that because I'm just too tired to keep holding on to the bar haha. @Jingle Yeah somewhat, but of course I'm only giving off that impression because I'm inexperienced. In my mind I only thought chalk was for really heavy advanced lifting so it's not cheating but at the same time I thought it wouldn't be necessary for me at my level. But it looks like I'm wrong, although it'd be nice just to have more grip strength regardless @_@. Plus it doesn't help that my friends make fun of each other for having weak grip strength lol.
Chalk has nothing to do with grip. It lets you make it stronger since you can ignore the bar slipping. It's like putting your car in gear and setting the brake before you put it up on blocks. It doesn't make the ground more stable, it just means less things can destabilize that shit and let it fall on your face.
In rock climbing, most of the time your feet got some friction, so your hands aren't taking all your weight for long, but the chalk just means your grip strength continues to apply. I never met a dude with such a strong grip he could use the clouds for a handhold, you know what I mean?
The friction is about your skin, sweat, and hand oils. Your grip is about muscles. Those muscles are still doing the same thing if you take the sweat variable out of the equation.
And if your buddies give you shit about grip, just give them shit about how much faster you progress than them while they're jello wrestling with the bar.
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On December 01 2012 07:14 JingleHell wrote:
The friction is about your skin, sweat, and hand oils. Your grip is about muscles. Those muscles are still doing the same thing if you take the sweat variable out of the equation.
And if your buddies give you shit about grip, just give them shit about how much faster you progress than them while they're jello wrestling with the bar.
Ahh alright, I got a nice good picture of it now. Thanks for the advice man.
As for my friends, man ever since they started working out months ago they've always been a bit too eccentric about it... I mean its a nice topic to chat about once in a while. But no, literally every time I see em it's ALL they talk about. I remember this one time at a party a guy just started saying "oly lifting fuck yeah" and started doing no bar snatch movements. =P Nice to see em so motivated but god it starts to get a little obnoxious at that point. And he's still a shrimpy guy.
I dunno, I should be happy that they're gungho about it but god it's a little too much sometimes. Plus once the big older guys who are pretty much on the same level as some guys here at TLHF come to the party, of course the novices finally shut up. Meh, rant end.
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On December 01 2012 08:02 Snuggles wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 07:14 JingleHell wrote:
The friction is about your skin, sweat, and hand oils. Your grip is about muscles. Those muscles are still doing the same thing if you take the sweat variable out of the equation.
And if your buddies give you shit about grip, just give them shit about how much faster you progress than them while they're jello wrestling with the bar. Ahh alright, I got a nice good picture of it now. Thanks for the advice man. As for my friends, man ever since they started working out months ago they've always been a bit too eccentric about it... I mean its a nice topic to chat about once in a while. But no, literally every time I see em it's ALL they talk about. I remember this one time at a party a guy just started saying "oly lifting fuck yeah" and started doing no bar snatch movements. =P Nice to see em so motivated but god it starts to get a little obnoxious at that point. And he's still a shrimpy guy. I dunno, I should be happy that they're gungho about it but god it's a little too much sometimes. Plus once the big older guys who are pretty much on the same level as some guys here at TLHF come to the party, of course the novices finally shut up. Meh, rant end.
i think most people are like that when they discover something new. it'll die off after a while though. it's like when i see my friends post pictures on facebook of different dishes and meals that they made by themselves and write "omg look at these cookies i made!!!!!" and "check out this amazing dish i just made" because they're excited about having done something they used to not normally do. i cook better than all of those friends, and have been cooking since i was little, so i never post pics of stuff i've cooked because i've cooked for years and years. it's not this novelty that i feel the need to show to all my friends. it's just what i like doing.
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On December 01 2012 09:24 ieatkids5 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 08:02 Snuggles wrote:On December 01 2012 07:14 JingleHell wrote:
The friction is about your skin, sweat, and hand oils. Your grip is about muscles. Those muscles are still doing the same thing if you take the sweat variable out of the equation.
And if your buddies give you shit about grip, just give them shit about how much faster you progress than them while they're jello wrestling with the bar. Ahh alright, I got a nice good picture of it now. Thanks for the advice man. As for my friends, man ever since they started working out months ago they've always been a bit too eccentric about it... I mean its a nice topic to chat about once in a while. But no, literally every time I see em it's ALL they talk about. I remember this one time at a party a guy just started saying "oly lifting fuck yeah" and started doing no bar snatch movements. =P Nice to see em so motivated but god it starts to get a little obnoxious at that point. And he's still a shrimpy guy. I dunno, I should be happy that they're gungho about it but god it's a little too much sometimes. Plus once the big older guys who are pretty much on the same level as some guys here at TLHF come to the party, of course the novices finally shut up. Meh, rant end. i think most people are like that when they discover something new. it'll die off after a while though. it's like when i see my friends post pictures on facebook of different dishes and meals that they made by themselves and write "omg look at these cookies i made!!!!!" and "check out this amazing dish i just made" because they're excited about having done something they used to not normally do. i cook better than all of those friends, and have been cooking since i was little, so i never post pics of stuff i've cooked because i've cooked for years and years. it's not this novelty that i feel the need to show to all my friends. it's just what i like doing.
I wouldn't wanna eat the meals you cook. Because you eat kids apparently. 
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Reverse hypers.
My gym doesn't have the machine. How can i ghetto style it?
I have access to those balance balls the half balance balls, adjustable benches, boxes, db's etc.. how can i macgyver up this wonderful lower back exercise?
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On December 03 2012 02:34 ShadeR wrote:
Reverse hypers.
My gym doesn't have the machine. How can i ghetto style it?
I have access to those balance balls the half balance balls, adjustable benches, boxes, db's etc.. how can i macgyver up this wonderful lower back exercise?
Balance ball on top of a bench, with dumbell between your legs if you must do them. I didn't like doing it that way though, felt very weird.
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On December 03 2012 03:33 Crushinator wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2012 02:34 ShadeR wrote:
Reverse hypers.
My gym doesn't have the machine. How can i ghetto style it?
I have access to those balance balls the half balance balls, adjustable benches, boxes, db's etc.. how can i macgyver up this wonderful lower back exercise? Balance ball on top of a bench, with dumbell between your legs if you must do them. I didn't like doing it that way though, felt very weird.
Yeah ive seen some girls on youtube do it like that, agreed in looks awkward especially if your going to add weight.
One good solution i've seen is a plank along the rails of the squat cage but unfortunately i don't have a platform long enough.
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On December 02 2012 11:50 Mementoss wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 09:24 ieatkids5 wrote:On December 01 2012 08:02 Snuggles wrote:On December 01 2012 07:14 JingleHell wrote:
The friction is about your skin, sweat, and hand oils. Your grip is about muscles. Those muscles are still doing the same thing if you take the sweat variable out of the equation.
And if your buddies give you shit about grip, just give them shit about how much faster you progress than them while they're jello wrestling with the bar. Ahh alright, I got a nice good picture of it now. Thanks for the advice man. As for my friends, man ever since they started working out months ago they've always been a bit too eccentric about it... I mean its a nice topic to chat about once in a while. But no, literally every time I see em it's ALL they talk about. I remember this one time at a party a guy just started saying "oly lifting fuck yeah" and started doing no bar snatch movements. =P Nice to see em so motivated but god it starts to get a little obnoxious at that point. And he's still a shrimpy guy. I dunno, I should be happy that they're gungho about it but god it's a little too much sometimes. Plus once the big older guys who are pretty much on the same level as some guys here at TLHF come to the party, of course the novices finally shut up. Meh, rant end. i think most people are like that when they discover something new. it'll die off after a while though. it's like when i see my friends post pictures on facebook of different dishes and meals that they made by themselves and write "omg look at these cookies i made!!!!!" and "check out this amazing dish i just made" because they're excited about having done something they used to not normally do. i cook better than all of those friends, and have been cooking since i was little, so i never post pics of stuff i've cooked because i've cooked for years and years. it's not this novelty that i feel the need to show to all my friends. it's just what i like doing. I wouldn't wanna eat the meals you cook. Because you eat kids apparently.
hey, you never know until you try
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why are we recommended to do 12/20/120 reps of abs (cable crunches, wheels, leg raise) rather than say 3x5, 5x5 or 5x8?
should i grip around the bar in chinups or no thumb around?
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On December 07 2012 16:21 FFGenerations wrote:
why are we recommended to do 12/20/120 reps of abs (cable crunches, wheels, leg raise) rather than say 3x5, 5x5 or 5x8?
should i grip around the bar in chinups or no thumb around?
There is nothing inherently wrong with doing lower rep ranges for abs. Though they are high on fast twitch fibers, so are quads. The problem is that most people have trouble wrecking their abs to a sufficient degree in a low rep range, but if you can manage to hit them hard while working with 5 reps, go for it. I find it quite uncomfortable. It is the same thing for calves, though you could theoretically hit them with high weights and low reps, in practice more reps work better for more people.
I dont do chinups, but I imagine the grip is personal preference.
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I always do my chinups with the thumb around the bar like a normal grip. I think you'll be missing out on some grip/forearm strength if you don't use the thumb but I'm just guessing. Not the end of the world unless you're trying to pull heavy weights in which I wouldn't want my grip to be the limiting factor.
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On December 07 2012 16:21 FFGenerations wrote:
why are we recommended to do 12/20/120 reps of abs (cable crunches, wheels, leg raise) rather than say 3x5, 5x5 or 5x8?
should i grip around the bar in chinups or no thumb around?
I do no thumb around and i know some ppl that compete in chins that do no thumb. but either way works I guess
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Hey guys.
I've reached a dilemma again in that during the winter or fall season, I suddenly lose all the motivation of working out or spending time at the gym. Maybe it's because of the amount of school work (finals week and all) or maybe the chill weather deters me from doing so. I wonder if anyone else had the same problem of their drive faltering during a specific season or maybe faltering off?
Regardless I've been aware of home exercises and i think I've been managing my diet "okay" (as long as it's progress) but if anyone can relate to my problem and ask for advice.
edit : I should note that during the spring and summer, I actually feel like this isn't a problem. Maybe poor weather conditions impact my drive to working out or something, if not effect my overall mood directly.
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You could look into vitamin D? Sometimes the going gets tough. Set some goals for yourself and don't compromise 
If you don't want to leave the house check out the bodyweight subforum.
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England2666 Posts
Simple questions then:
Apparantly being barefoot at the gym is not allowed and the new manager is enforcing this everywhere. Seeing as I've been lifting for six months and show no signs of stopping, I was wondering if I could get a simple recommendation for what shoes to get. Currently I'm just doing Stronglifts but I'd like to try Oly lifts further down the line.
Secondly, I was talking fish oil tablets and have now run out. Does anyone know of a good brand or type of fish oil that I should try next? I live in the UK so anything available here that's worth the money is good.
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