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skindzer
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
Chile5114 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-15 05:56:44
November 15 2012 05:56 GMT
#2181
On November 15 2012 13:32 Snuggles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2012 07:52 Ludrik wrote:
On November 15 2012 01:36 Snuggles wrote:
Weird question here. Anyone know how lifting affects your testosterone or the relationship between testosterone and facial hair?

Lately my facial hair has been going out of control. I can't determine whether or not it's due to increased testosterone or just the result of shaving regularly for 3 years. I used to only shave like once a week, then I had to shave every 3 days... today I looked in mirror and my facial hair is noticeably visible even though I shaved YESTERDAY. Looking around on the internet the correlation between shaving and facial hair growth has a lot of different opinions so I rather come to you guys for advice...

I'm an Asian guy, facial hair only works for a few of us so this is distressing...

Just wondering your age? Some guys I know haven't really had much facial hair until early 20's when it suddenly started growing faster and thicker.

On a related note I'm convinced that lifting puts hair on my chest.


I am 21 right now. So that might be the case... I just wish that instead of facial hair that I'd would just grow a few inches...


My facial hair, aprticulary my beard only really started growing this year and I'm 25 so its totally possible. Same with my brother.
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FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
November 15 2012 09:00 GMT
#2182
calf raises when you are already squatting?
no chinups/pullups (or lat pulldown) but curls are ok? you can still curl but i would prioritise chins/lat pull
ive never done stiff legged deadlifts but as a beginner your mobility might not be good enough for normal deads let alone something that sounds harder mobility-wise
power cleans are fun if you can figure them out
higher rep is fine for a beginner imo for various reasons.
i would never condone having short rests between sets...but thats just me

SS is great but only if you are able to do it pretty perfectly; good mobility, solidly consistant eating, sleeping, not missing any days, not getting frustrated about anything, not moving up too fast, not accidently injuring yourself... you just wont make progress if you dont get everything right, but if you do then you'll make very good progress

if i were starting all over i would say to myself, do SS but with higher reps, if you ever skip any workout or exercise you will never make progress, get your mobility right within the first 4 weeks or life will be HELL, add chinups asap (before curls, but dont be afraid to add things like curls or forearm work after a workout asap as long as its not affecting your recovery), start mixing rice with everything to quickly increase your stomach capacity or eat a lot of milk/chocolate if that helps get you going asap
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phyre112
Profile Joined August 2009
United States3090 Posts
November 15 2012 17:28 GMT
#2183
On November 15 2012 18:00 FFGenerations wrote:
calf raises when you are already squatting?
no chinups/pullups (or lat pulldown) but curls are ok? you can still curl but i would prioritise chins/lat pull
ive never done stiff legged deadlifts but as a beginner your mobility might not be good enough for normal deads let alone something that sounds harder mobility-wise
power cleans are fun if you can figure them out
higher rep is fine for a beginner imo for various reasons.
i would never condone having short rests between sets...but thats just me

SS is great but only if you are able to do it pretty perfectly; good mobility, solidly consistant eating, sleeping, not missing any days, not getting frustrated about anything, not moving up too fast, not accidently injuring yourself... you just wont make progress if you dont get everything right, but if you do then you'll make very good progress

if i were starting all over i would say to myself, do SS but with higher reps, if you ever skip any workout or exercise you will never make progress, get your mobility right within the first 4 weeks or life will be HELL, add chinups asap (before curls, but dont be afraid to add things like curls or forearm work after a workout asap as long as its not affecting your recovery), start mixing rice with everything to quickly increase your stomach capacity or eat a lot of milk/chocolate if that helps get you going asap


If I were starting over, I would say to myself: DO SS as written, but EAT MORE.

for a lot of people, mobility isn't a limiting factor - or if it is, it gets taken care of just by doing the movements, and maybe 10 minutes of stretching in a day. SS is difficult to do perfectly, because people won't sleep enough, or won't eat enough, or will miss workouts, or won't push themselves hard enough... but it's very difficult to do it such that you make NO progress.
Fruscainte
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
4596 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-17 19:58:14
November 17 2012 18:31 GMT
#2184
My bench has stalled for the past few months, I don't know what the hell is going on. I started lifting 6 months ago, I started:

65lb Bench
95lb Deadlift
65lb Squat

Currently at

185x1 Bench
315x1 Deadlift
205x1 Squat

I didn't do SS or anything, kind of wishing I did so I could have made the most out of my noob gains but fuck, this is really frustrating. 2 and a half(ish) months ago I stopped Barbell benching when I was stuck at 185x1, went to dumbell, made mad gains (Can do 90lb dumbells x 8 now ez) but I'm STILL struggling to pump out more than one rep at 185 on barbell. Is there a common mistake here or something? Am I putting too much on my triceps perhaps?

EDIT: Since I never did SS or SL, I'm actually really considering just going into SL right now. The program says to start at empty bar for all lifts, but I can do 255x5 deadlift, 155x5 bench and 185x5 squat right now pretty easily. Should I start there and just do what he says (aka: adding 5lbs every week to your lifts)?
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
November 18 2012 18:23 GMT
#2185
On November 18 2012 03:31 Fruscainte wrote:
My bench has stalled for the past few months, I don't know what the hell is going on. I started lifting 6 months ago, I started:

65lb Bench
95lb Deadlift
65lb Squat

Currently at

185x1 Bench
315x1 Deadlift
205x1 Squat

I didn't do SS or anything, kind of wishing I did so I could have made the most out of my noob gains but fuck, this is really frustrating. 2 and a half(ish) months ago I stopped Barbell benching when I was stuck at 185x1, went to dumbell, made mad gains (Can do 90lb dumbells x 8 now ez) but I'm STILL struggling to pump out more than one rep at 185 on barbell. Is there a common mistake here or something? Am I putting too much on my triceps perhaps?

EDIT: Since I never did SS or SL, I'm actually really considering just going into SL right now. The program says to start at empty bar for all lifts, but I can do 255x5 deadlift, 155x5 bench and 185x5 squat right now pretty easily. Should I start there and just do what he says (aka: adding 5lbs every week to your lifts)?

Last year I switched to dumbells and I didn't see it transfer to my barbell bench afterwards that well. It is awesome to bench those 90+ dumbells so don't worry about it too much

I wouldn't start at the bar but just start at those easy weight amounts and add 5lbs every time you make the sets/reps. If you have the lifts down technique-wise starting that low doesn't have much benefit anymore.
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iloveroo
Profile Joined February 2009
Canada294 Posts
November 19 2012 05:13 GMT
#2186
On November 13 2012 17:19 Daigomi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2012 16:31 iloveroo wrote:
On October 30 2012 09:12 Daigomi wrote:
On October 30 2012 07:49 iloveroo wrote:
Noob questions:

- Which is better free weights or machines?
- As a beginner in weight lifting which one of the two should I be using?

- I've been lifting a bit back in September but haven't gone since because of lack of transportation, work and school and when I do have a day off I feel really lazy to even leave the house. But as far as I can remember I would head to the gym and stay there for at least 4 hours. I would go the gym every other day.. So Monday, Wednesday and Friday if I didn't have work.

My routine when I head to the gym consist of (in order): biceps, chest, back, triceps, shoulders.
I usually do about 6-8 reps in sets of 3 but I would do this 3 times with 3 different machines per muscle.
I got this idea from my friend who also attends the same gym as me but goes at different times, he told me to do this for a couple of weeks and then start concentrating on at least 2 or 3 muscles a day working them out to the max

As a beginner can someone tell me if this is a good idea/plan/workout I should keep doing or change it up. Tips are also appreciated.

Read the general training sticky, it has all the answers you need.

To answer your questions:

- Free weights are much better than machines. As a beginner you should be using free weights.
- Your routine is pretty poor, especially for a beginner. What you're doing is isolation exercises with a split program which is a bodybuilder program. You want to do a full body program focusing on compound exercises.
- Your workouts should be 60-90 minutes, three times a week. Anything more than that is overkill for a beginner.
- Read the sticky section on Starting Strength/Strong Lifts. It's a beginner program which is great optimal for beginners but is still very good for advanced liftetrs.


Really late reply, barely go on this site anymore but, I understand that you said my current workout is poor especially since I am a beginner and you do recommend "SS", but how do you feel about me as a beginner using "All Pro's"
I do understand they are different I assume but will All Pro's give me somewhat the same benefits as SS, a complete full body workout?
-How do you feel about All Pro's, which one of the two do you prefer and why

All Pro's beginner routine

To be honest, I'm not a fan. The exercises he includes are largely OK, but the program doesn't make that much sense and I don't really see any benefits over SS.

Regarding the exercises, everything he lists is good except for barbell curls and calf raises. If you want to do biceps you should be doing chin-ups rather than curls since they have the same bicep benefits but also stimulate other muscles. Calf-raises just seem a bit useless in general, I'm not sure why you'd want to include those unless you are a bodybuilder. Also, there's no good reason why you'd want to do stiff-legged deadlifts rather than proper deadlifts. Stiff-legged deadlifts purposefully limit the number of muscles you exercise which is a bad idea for beginners.

Regarding the general program, it doesn't make much sense for the beginner. Firstly, there's no good reason to do every exercise every day. You'll either end up overworking your body which limits muscle growth, or, more likely, you'll have to work with lighter weights on all the exercises which increases endurance rather than strength. Secondly, it progresses way too slowly. When you're a beginner, four weeks is a super long time. In my first four weeks, I went from squatting 40kg to 80kg and from benching 40kg to 60kg. Using his program, you'll spend 5 weeks benching 40kg with only a slight increase in the reps and then, if you progress, you'll spend another five weeks benching 45kg. It progresses way way too slowly. Added to that, the rep counts aren't really optimal. Lower reps (4-6) are ideal for strength gains which, as a beginner, you should be focussing on.

In the end, the program is probably OK, but I don't see why you'd use it over Starting Strength. Starting Strength was designed by a US national-level strength coach and a powerlifter with a PhD who specialises in strength training. An entire 330 page book was written around the program and the five core exercises of Starting Strength, and another 280 page book was written on the programming behind SS. It's a well researched plan that clearly explains why it works and why it's effective.


First I would like to thank you for your replies and how depth they are
Second.. You said free weights are better for beginners, but I don't have a gym partner that can spot me. Saying this in this video here Stronglift video the person that is using the machine while doing squats. There is one similar at my gym I'm pretty sure, haven't gone to the gym in 2 months but the bar itself is connected to the machine itself (I'm not 100% on this and I am a gym illiterate ). I was wondering if this machine is just as good as doing it without it connecting to the machine for bench-pressing & squating?
GuiltyJerk
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States584 Posts
November 19 2012 05:28 GMT
#2187
On November 19 2012 14:13 iloveroo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2012 17:19 Daigomi wrote:
On November 13 2012 16:31 iloveroo wrote:
On October 30 2012 09:12 Daigomi wrote:
On October 30 2012 07:49 iloveroo wrote:
Noob questions:

- Which is better free weights or machines?
- As a beginner in weight lifting which one of the two should I be using?

- I've been lifting a bit back in September but haven't gone since because of lack of transportation, work and school and when I do have a day off I feel really lazy to even leave the house. But as far as I can remember I would head to the gym and stay there for at least 4 hours. I would go the gym every other day.. So Monday, Wednesday and Friday if I didn't have work.

My routine when I head to the gym consist of (in order): biceps, chest, back, triceps, shoulders.
I usually do about 6-8 reps in sets of 3 but I would do this 3 times with 3 different machines per muscle.
I got this idea from my friend who also attends the same gym as me but goes at different times, he told me to do this for a couple of weeks and then start concentrating on at least 2 or 3 muscles a day working them out to the max

As a beginner can someone tell me if this is a good idea/plan/workout I should keep doing or change it up. Tips are also appreciated.

Read the general training sticky, it has all the answers you need.

To answer your questions:

- Free weights are much better than machines. As a beginner you should be using free weights.
- Your routine is pretty poor, especially for a beginner. What you're doing is isolation exercises with a split program which is a bodybuilder program. You want to do a full body program focusing on compound exercises.
- Your workouts should be 60-90 minutes, three times a week. Anything more than that is overkill for a beginner.
- Read the sticky section on Starting Strength/Strong Lifts. It's a beginner program which is great optimal for beginners but is still very good for advanced liftetrs.


Really late reply, barely go on this site anymore but, I understand that you said my current workout is poor especially since I am a beginner and you do recommend "SS", but how do you feel about me as a beginner using "All Pro's"
I do understand they are different I assume but will All Pro's give me somewhat the same benefits as SS, a complete full body workout?
-How do you feel about All Pro's, which one of the two do you prefer and why

All Pro's beginner routine

To be honest, I'm not a fan. The exercises he includes are largely OK, but the program doesn't make that much sense and I don't really see any benefits over SS.

Regarding the exercises, everything he lists is good except for barbell curls and calf raises. If you want to do biceps you should be doing chin-ups rather than curls since they have the same bicep benefits but also stimulate other muscles. Calf-raises just seem a bit useless in general, I'm not sure why you'd want to include those unless you are a bodybuilder. Also, there's no good reason why you'd want to do stiff-legged deadlifts rather than proper deadlifts. Stiff-legged deadlifts purposefully limit the number of muscles you exercise which is a bad idea for beginners.

Regarding the general program, it doesn't make much sense for the beginner. Firstly, there's no good reason to do every exercise every day. You'll either end up overworking your body which limits muscle growth, or, more likely, you'll have to work with lighter weights on all the exercises which increases endurance rather than strength. Secondly, it progresses way too slowly. When you're a beginner, four weeks is a super long time. In my first four weeks, I went from squatting 40kg to 80kg and from benching 40kg to 60kg. Using his program, you'll spend 5 weeks benching 40kg with only a slight increase in the reps and then, if you progress, you'll spend another five weeks benching 45kg. It progresses way way too slowly. Added to that, the rep counts aren't really optimal. Lower reps (4-6) are ideal for strength gains which, as a beginner, you should be focussing on.

In the end, the program is probably OK, but I don't see why you'd use it over Starting Strength. Starting Strength was designed by a US national-level strength coach and a powerlifter with a PhD who specialises in strength training. An entire 330 page book was written around the program and the five core exercises of Starting Strength, and another 280 page book was written on the programming behind SS. It's a well researched plan that clearly explains why it works and why it's effective.


First I would like to thank you for your replies and how depth they are
Second.. You said free weights are better for beginners, but I don't have a gym partner that can spot me. Saying this in this video here Stronglift video the person that is using the machine while doing squats. There is one similar at my gym I'm pretty sure, haven't gone to the gym in 2 months but the bar itself is connected to the machine itself (I'm not 100% on this and I am a gym illiterate ). I was wondering if this machine is just as good as doing it without it connecting to the machine for bench-pressing & squating?


You don't NEED a spotter/buddy to start lifting, I did my first 10 months of lifting alone, I'd also avoid smith machines because they do the work that your stabilizer muscles should be doing, same with machines. Just see if you can find a gym with a good squat rack, a barbell and some weights and you're good to get started
Daigomi
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
South Africa4316 Posts
November 19 2012 06:29 GMT
#2188
On November 19 2012 14:13 iloveroo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2012 17:19 Daigomi wrote:
On November 13 2012 16:31 iloveroo wrote:
On October 30 2012 09:12 Daigomi wrote:
On October 30 2012 07:49 iloveroo wrote:
Noob questions:

- Which is better free weights or machines?
- As a beginner in weight lifting which one of the two should I be using?

- I've been lifting a bit back in September but haven't gone since because of lack of transportation, work and school and when I do have a day off I feel really lazy to even leave the house. But as far as I can remember I would head to the gym and stay there for at least 4 hours. I would go the gym every other day.. So Monday, Wednesday and Friday if I didn't have work.

My routine when I head to the gym consist of (in order): biceps, chest, back, triceps, shoulders.
I usually do about 6-8 reps in sets of 3 but I would do this 3 times with 3 different machines per muscle.
I got this idea from my friend who also attends the same gym as me but goes at different times, he told me to do this for a couple of weeks and then start concentrating on at least 2 or 3 muscles a day working them out to the max

As a beginner can someone tell me if this is a good idea/plan/workout I should keep doing or change it up. Tips are also appreciated.

Read the general training sticky, it has all the answers you need.

To answer your questions:

- Free weights are much better than machines. As a beginner you should be using free weights.
- Your routine is pretty poor, especially for a beginner. What you're doing is isolation exercises with a split program which is a bodybuilder program. You want to do a full body program focusing on compound exercises.
- Your workouts should be 60-90 minutes, three times a week. Anything more than that is overkill for a beginner.
- Read the sticky section on Starting Strength/Strong Lifts. It's a beginner program which is great optimal for beginners but is still very good for advanced liftetrs.


Really late reply, barely go on this site anymore but, I understand that you said my current workout is poor especially since I am a beginner and you do recommend "SS", but how do you feel about me as a beginner using "All Pro's"
I do understand they are different I assume but will All Pro's give me somewhat the same benefits as SS, a complete full body workout?
-How do you feel about All Pro's, which one of the two do you prefer and why

All Pro's beginner routine

To be honest, I'm not a fan. The exercises he includes are largely OK, but the program doesn't make that much sense and I don't really see any benefits over SS.

Regarding the exercises, everything he lists is good except for barbell curls and calf raises. If you want to do biceps you should be doing chin-ups rather than curls since they have the same bicep benefits but also stimulate other muscles. Calf-raises just seem a bit useless in general, I'm not sure why you'd want to include those unless you are a bodybuilder. Also, there's no good reason why you'd want to do stiff-legged deadlifts rather than proper deadlifts. Stiff-legged deadlifts purposefully limit the number of muscles you exercise which is a bad idea for beginners.

Regarding the general program, it doesn't make much sense for the beginner. Firstly, there's no good reason to do every exercise every day. You'll either end up overworking your body which limits muscle growth, or, more likely, you'll have to work with lighter weights on all the exercises which increases endurance rather than strength. Secondly, it progresses way too slowly. When you're a beginner, four weeks is a super long time. In my first four weeks, I went from squatting 40kg to 80kg and from benching 40kg to 60kg. Using his program, you'll spend 5 weeks benching 40kg with only a slight increase in the reps and then, if you progress, you'll spend another five weeks benching 45kg. It progresses way way too slowly. Added to that, the rep counts aren't really optimal. Lower reps (4-6) are ideal for strength gains which, as a beginner, you should be focussing on.

In the end, the program is probably OK, but I don't see why you'd use it over Starting Strength. Starting Strength was designed by a US national-level strength coach and a powerlifter with a PhD who specialises in strength training. An entire 330 page book was written around the program and the five core exercises of Starting Strength, and another 280 page book was written on the programming behind SS. It's a well researched plan that clearly explains why it works and why it's effective.


First I would like to thank you for your replies and how depth they are
Second.. You said free weights are better for beginners, but I don't have a gym partner that can spot me. Saying this in this video here Stronglift video the person that is using the machine while doing squats. There is one similar at my gym I'm pretty sure, haven't gone to the gym in 2 months but the bar itself is connected to the machine itself (I'm not 100% on this and I am a gym illiterate ). I was wondering if this machine is just as good as doing it without it connecting to the machine for bench-pressing & squating?

First things first: Do you have a squat rack with safety bars?

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If your squat rack has safety bars you don't need to worry about having a spotter for squats. If you fail the exercise, simply sit down and rest the weight on the safety bars. It's pretty easy, but you might want to test it out once or twice with just the bar to get used to the feeling.



Regarding the smith machine, almost no machine is ever as good as free weights. Because the smith machine limits the bar's movement to purely vertical movement it stops quite a few muscles from being activated. This is especially true with the squat. With normal, free weight squats, one of the biggest challenges is preventing your body from falling forward. You can imagine having 160kg on your back pushes your body forward and makes you want to fold up like a lawn chair. To stop this from happening, your back and ab/core muscles develop super quickly when you squat. The moment you artificially stop the bar from moving forward, you stop those muscles from developing.

For the bench, it's not as important but it's still not great. The smith machine forces you to use a different technique which isn't as effective. Personally, when I exercise without a spotter I just ask one of the trainers at the gym to spot me. While the weight is still low (like, below your bodyweight) you can probably just avoid going to failure and if you still fail do a roll of shame.

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Ahzz
Profile Joined May 2007
Finland780 Posts
November 19 2012 09:18 GMT
#2189
indeed, I've been going to the gym without a buddy for a few months now. Safety bars is all you really need. Asking a random person to spot you on bench may feel weird the first few times you ask, but it's nothing to be ashamed of, and most people are glad to help since it only takes like 30-60 seconds.
lurchpanda
Profile Joined May 2011
United States51 Posts
November 19 2012 23:34 GMT
#2190
I have a question regarding my squats. I was lifting on and off for a couple of years, but even when i was lifting consistanly my squats have always been lacking. At one point i had a 95kg front squat, a 100kg clean and jerk, and a 105kg back squat all for 1RM. So when i picked up lifting again i still had the problems with squatting. I only do front squats now, but i made my base a little wider (about should width maybe a tiny bit more) and my squats have gone up after 3 workouts tremendously. I went from 225 pounds for 4 sets of 1, so being able to do 225 at 3 sets of 3 (possible a 4th set but i have a lot of stairs to walk today at work).

I was making sure that this form change was indeed the right thing to do, and not some sort of way to cheat my squats. I go down as low as i can every squat, and try my hardest to stay in good posture.
You always hear "The glass is half empty" or "The glass is half full". I say we stop choosing what the glass is, and let the glass decide what it wants to be
GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
November 20 2012 01:40 GMT
#2191
On November 20 2012 08:34 lurchpanda wrote:
I have a question regarding my squats. I was lifting on and off for a couple of years, but even when i was lifting consistanly my squats have always been lacking. At one point i had a 95kg front squat, a 100kg clean and jerk, and a 105kg back squat all for 1RM. So when i picked up lifting again i still had the problems with squatting. I only do front squats now, but i made my base a little wider (about should width maybe a tiny bit more) and my squats have gone up after 3 workouts tremendously. I went from 225 pounds for 4 sets of 1, so being able to do 225 at 3 sets of 3 (possible a 4th set but i have a lot of stairs to walk today at work).

I was making sure that this form change was indeed the right thing to do, and not some sort of way to cheat my squats. I go down as low as i can every squat, and try my hardest to stay in good posture.


So what is the question?
There is no such thing as a right feet width/angle or barbell position. The right one is the one that allows you to move the heaviest weight, hit legal depth, and feels comfortable.
Btw, I squat almost twice as you do and I can't clean & jerk that lol.
blug
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia623 Posts
November 21 2012 09:34 GMT
#2192
I'm losing weight by reducing my food intake. I've dropped down to 1750 calories a day and I go for a 5 km walk every day just as a bonus.

After the walk I feel like I really need to eat sugar and feel pretty week. Is this just a side effect of having a deficit in food? Is it ok?
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eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
November 21 2012 14:01 GMT
#2193
On November 21 2012 18:34 blug wrote:
I'm losing weight by reducing my food intake. I've dropped down to 1750 calories a day and I go for a 5 km walk every day just as a bonus.

After the walk I feel like I really need to eat sugar and feel pretty week. Is this just a side effect of having a deficit in food? Is it ok?


That would be something to ask your doctor.

Generally speaking, it should get better as you keep losing weight since obesity is very strongly correlated with diabetes. That is, as long as your B-cells are functioning properly and your insulin sensitivity is improving.

To reap the benefits of improved insulin sensitivity from exercise I would suggest not eating any sugar, sweetened beverages, etc... just eat a regular meal
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Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-24 05:19:00
November 24 2012 05:15 GMT
#2194
I have been thinking about increasing my vertical leap for improving my game in Basketball and i was interested when i found Air Alert 3. Some testimonials says it works but it is painful and time consuming. Painful, is whatever, as long as it shows results but I am not sure if i can manage the routines every week when its such a strict schedule.

edit: almost forgot a question lol but im really looking for somebody on TL to confirm if this should do the trick and also if there might be other alternatives that are not as time consuming
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Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada6683 Posts
November 24 2012 05:37 GMT
#2195
I'm no expert in vertical jump training but I think I've seen vertical jump bible recommended around here
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phyre112
Profile Joined August 2009
United States3090 Posts
November 24 2012 18:15 GMT
#2196
On November 24 2012 14:15 Kenpachi wrote:
I have been thinking about increasing my vertical leap for improving my game in Basketball and i was interested when i found Air Alert 3. Some testimonials says it works but it is painful and time consuming. Painful, is whatever, as long as it shows results but I am not sure if i can manage the routines every week when its such a strict schedule.

edit: almost forgot a question lol but im really looking for somebody on TL to confirm if this should do the trick and also if there might be other alternatives that are not as time consuming


Pain is bad. Stay away from pain - if something is causing you actual pain, you should not be doing that thing. Even if it's not too bad in the short term, it's going to be very bad in the long run. Soreness or fatigue, or being mentally challenging are very different from being painful.

Quickest way for the average Highschool Basketball player to get their vertical jump up is to get their squat/deadlift up. After that, it's power development and jumping technique, which can be done with plyometrics, sprinting, and olmpic weightlifting (for power) and simply practicing juimping (like air alert does).
kafkaesque
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Germany2006 Posts
November 25 2012 13:33 GMT
#2197
What exercise to you guys use to work on your boobies?

I only do situps, pullups and pushups regularly and it kind of shows, but my chesticles are rather unimpressive.
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phyre112
Profile Joined August 2009
United States3090 Posts
November 26 2012 01:38 GMT
#2198
On November 25 2012 22:33 kafkaesque wrote:
What exercise to you guys use to work on your boobies?

I only do situps, pullups and pushups regularly and it kind of shows, but my chesticles are rather unimpressive.


If you want size, especially in the chest, you have to hit the weights. Bench press, pec fly. To a lesser extent maybe weighted dips.

Personally i would rather have a ripped back and big shoulders, but i understand that not everyone is as much about strength and power as this community.
HowitZer
Profile Joined February 2003
United States1610 Posts
November 26 2012 13:16 GMT
#2199
On November 13 2012 17:19 Daigomi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2012 16:31 iloveroo wrote:
On October 30 2012 09:12 Daigomi wrote:
On October 30 2012 07:49 iloveroo wrote:
Noob questions:

- Which is better free weights or machines?
- As a beginner in weight lifting which one of the two should I be using?

- I've been lifting a bit back in September but haven't gone since because of lack of transportation, work and school and when I do have a day off I feel really lazy to even leave the house. But as far as I can remember I would head to the gym and stay there for at least 4 hours. I would go the gym every other day.. So Monday, Wednesday and Friday if I didn't have work.

My routine when I head to the gym consist of (in order): biceps, chest, back, triceps, shoulders.
I usually do about 6-8 reps in sets of 3 but I would do this 3 times with 3 different machines per muscle.
I got this idea from my friend who also attends the same gym as me but goes at different times, he told me to do this for a couple of weeks and then start concentrating on at least 2 or 3 muscles a day working them out to the max

As a beginner can someone tell me if this is a good idea/plan/workout I should keep doing or change it up. Tips are also appreciated.

Read the general training sticky, it has all the answers you need.

To answer your questions:

- Free weights are much better than machines. As a beginner you should be using free weights.
- Your routine is pretty poor, especially for a beginner. What you're doing is isolation exercises with a split program which is a bodybuilder program. You want to do a full body program focusing on compound exercises.
- Your workouts should be 60-90 minutes, three times a week. Anything more than that is overkill for a beginner.
- Read the sticky section on Starting Strength/Strong Lifts. It's a beginner program which is great optimal for beginners but is still very good for advanced liftetrs.


Really late reply, barely go on this site anymore but, I understand that you said my current workout is poor especially since I am a beginner and you do recommend "SS", but how do you feel about me as a beginner using "All Pro's"
I do understand they are different I assume but will All Pro's give me somewhat the same benefits as SS, a complete full body workout?
-How do you feel about All Pro's, which one of the two do you prefer and why

All Pro's beginner routine

To be honest, I'm not a fan. The exercises he includes are largely OK, but the program doesn't make that much sense and I don't really see any benefits over SS.

Regarding the exercises, everything he lists is good except for barbell curls and calf raises. If you want to do biceps you should be doing chin-ups rather than curls since they have the same bicep benefits but also stimulate other muscles. Calf-raises just seem a bit useless in general, I'm not sure why you'd want to include those unless you are a bodybuilder. Also, there's no good reason why you'd want to do stiff-legged deadlifts rather than proper deadlifts. Stiff-legged deadlifts purposefully limit the number of muscles you exercise which is a bad idea for beginners.



Calf raises are like my favorite exercise. Maybe that's because I'm a competitive runner though. Calfs are used in many sports(every sport?) and daily life activities like walking and going up and down stairs. And you say they are only worth while in body building. You really got it wrong there.

Sometimes you want to focus on biceps when you don't have the energy to do chins. What if you've already done dead lifts and then want to work on biceps? How are you supposed to do any chins when your back is tapped out?
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Daigomi
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
South Africa4316 Posts
November 26 2012 17:30 GMT
#2200
On November 26 2012 22:16 HowitZer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2012 17:19 Daigomi wrote:
On November 13 2012 16:31 iloveroo wrote:
On October 30 2012 09:12 Daigomi wrote:
On October 30 2012 07:49 iloveroo wrote:
Noob questions:

- Which is better free weights or machines?
- As a beginner in weight lifting which one of the two should I be using?

- I've been lifting a bit back in September but haven't gone since because of lack of transportation, work and school and when I do have a day off I feel really lazy to even leave the house. But as far as I can remember I would head to the gym and stay there for at least 4 hours. I would go the gym every other day.. So Monday, Wednesday and Friday if I didn't have work.

My routine when I head to the gym consist of (in order): biceps, chest, back, triceps, shoulders.
I usually do about 6-8 reps in sets of 3 but I would do this 3 times with 3 different machines per muscle.
I got this idea from my friend who also attends the same gym as me but goes at different times, he told me to do this for a couple of weeks and then start concentrating on at least 2 or 3 muscles a day working them out to the max

As a beginner can someone tell me if this is a good idea/plan/workout I should keep doing or change it up. Tips are also appreciated.

Read the general training sticky, it has all the answers you need.

To answer your questions:

- Free weights are much better than machines. As a beginner you should be using free weights.
- Your routine is pretty poor, especially for a beginner. What you're doing is isolation exercises with a split program which is a bodybuilder program. You want to do a full body program focusing on compound exercises.
- Your workouts should be 60-90 minutes, three times a week. Anything more than that is overkill for a beginner.
- Read the sticky section on Starting Strength/Strong Lifts. It's a beginner program which is great optimal for beginners but is still very good for advanced liftetrs.


Really late reply, barely go on this site anymore but, I understand that you said my current workout is poor especially since I am a beginner and you do recommend "SS", but how do you feel about me as a beginner using "All Pro's"
I do understand they are different I assume but will All Pro's give me somewhat the same benefits as SS, a complete full body workout?
-How do you feel about All Pro's, which one of the two do you prefer and why

All Pro's beginner routine

To be honest, I'm not a fan. The exercises he includes are largely OK, but the program doesn't make that much sense and I don't really see any benefits over SS.

Regarding the exercises, everything he lists is good except for barbell curls and calf raises. If you want to do biceps you should be doing chin-ups rather than curls since they have the same bicep benefits but also stimulate other muscles. Calf-raises just seem a bit useless in general, I'm not sure why you'd want to include those unless you are a bodybuilder. Also, there's no good reason why you'd want to do stiff-legged deadlifts rather than proper deadlifts. Stiff-legged deadlifts purposefully limit the number of muscles you exercise which is a bad idea for beginners.



Calf raises are like my favorite exercise. Maybe that's because I'm a competitive runner though. Calfs are used in many sports(every sport?) and daily life activities like walking and going up and down stairs. And you say they are only worth while in body building. You really got it wrong there.

Sometimes you want to focus on biceps when you don't have the energy to do chins. What if you've already done dead lifts and then want to work on biceps? How are you supposed to do any chins when your back is tapped out?

Both of your concerns have to do with specific situations, which is perfectly fine, but shouldn't be considered when designing a general program. If you specifically need calf strength then doing calf-raises is great. However, for the average person looking to lift weights, doing a compound exercise in its place will be more effective. The same goes for arm-curls. If you're exhausted and you can't do chin-ups then doing curls is great (although I've been deadlifting, squatting, and doing chins on the same day without a problem) but in general, doing chin-ups will be more efficient.
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