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NBA age limit
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Keanu_Reaver
Djibouti1432 Posts
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tiffany
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choujji
Japan203 Posts
even if u force them to goto university for 1-2 years, its not like they're in it for the education | ||
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jjun212
Canada2208 Posts
keeps the NCAA alive with the players forced to stay there and also, allows the countries best atheletes to also get at least an under-grad in university | ||
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BigBalls
United States5354 Posts
I dont really see a point in making players wait 2 years, its dumb. Just naming the best players in the NBA, the about half did not go to college: lebron, kobe, garnett, tmac. the only ones who did are duncan, shaq, iverson and wade. Like choujii said, if people are forced to go to college they arent going there for education, it wont change who they are or do anything besides make the league LESS money. | ||
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Keanu_Reaver
Djibouti1432 Posts
he basically said this: at 18, a person is considered an adult, to be able to make adult choices. a person can then choose to go into the army, to college, or to play basketball. there is nothing wrong with letting players play out of high school, 7 all stars this year were players that went from high school to the nba, if its not broke it shouldn't be fixed. most any other sport with the exception of football doesn't even have an age limit, that 14 year olds will play soccer and young girls will figure skate professionally. he also said that economically, with the more player driven nba, sales have been higher they've ever been. he then went on to say that he cant figure out why they want to up the limit. economically, there's no point because some of the biggest stars are straight out of high school, and sales have never been higher. protecting the hs basketball players is disingenuous because they've been successful and nba teams wont draft them unless they show huge potential. all in all, i found it really difficult to refute what he said | ||
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BigBalls
United States5354 Posts
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Keanu_Reaver
Djibouti1432 Posts
On April 12 2005 23:16 BigBalls wrote: Literate, well spoken people like lebron james and kobe bryant completely skipped college while retarded thugs like iverson went to college. I dont really see a point in making players wait 2 years, its dumb. Just naming the best players in the NBA, the about half did not go to college: lebron, kobe, garnett, tmac. the only ones who did are duncan, shaq, iverson and wade. Like choujii said, if people are forced to go to college they arent going there for education, it wont change who they are or do anything besides make the league LESS money. agreed about the college thing, which is something else oneal pointed too | ||
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tiffany
3664 Posts
i think a good arguement for going to college is the opportunity to play under real coaches, not some underpaid high school physical education teacher. but then again, a player could always skip straight to the nba and learn from even better coaches, but this would be at the expense of the team and owner that drafted him | ||
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choujji
Japan203 Posts
It might deter some high schoolers or it might not but atleast it ll save teams a lot of money for those development years that these players should have gotten in college | ||
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Casper...
Liberia4948 Posts
they're also going to be renegotiating the collective bargaining agreement (much slimmer, a smaller pie since jordan left and NBC dropped them) this summer and they're willing to make concessions if it were left to them (the union) they'd up the age limit, but it's not up to them since the next big high schooler from next year would take this to court and WIN BIG as the labor laws in the states are so fucking ABC and clear on this matter that it's ridiculous so ignore the talk. billy hunter is a putz. there are hundreds of marginal NBA players who are rapidly becoming obsolete. they need to deal with it, and we as consumers shouldn't tolerate an artificially inferior product being forced upon us. besides, the NBA set up the NBDL specifically to deal with the unprepared highschool straight to NBA flunkeys and has done a pretty good job of it. hence, stern's indifference is more to placate the union into letting them believe that it could actually happen before the weight of public opinion does his work for him forcing billy hunter to stop making retarded statements to the media about "maturity" or some other bullshit. | ||
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hasuwar
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Servolisk
United States5241 Posts
I hate people talking about it being good because of the benefit to the college game. I don't know why people want to do so much for college when they basically exploit the atheletes. Stern is doing this (if he does go through with it) for the sake of the NBDL. There are zero legitimate reasons for this. | ||
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-DaJ-
Switzerland539 Posts
On April 12 2005 23:16 BigBalls wrote: I dont really see a point in making players wait 2 years, its dumb. Just naming the best players in the NBA, the about half did not go to college: lebron, kobe, garnett, tmac. the only ones who did are duncan, shaq, iverson and wade. ok now lets see are the ones with college those who win champions ships or the ones without? hmm.... lebron, kobe, garnett, tmac might be "the best"...but the only thing in the finals that really counts is the TEAM not one player. and thats what ur "best" players have to learn ... | ||
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Servolisk
United States5241 Posts
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-DaJ-
Switzerland539 Posts
even jordan had pippen, kukoc, harper, rodman and so on.it wasnt only MJ it was the TEAM. He was the best allrounder and team leader, no doubt. but he had always the team in his back. come on it cant be that hard to understand.... | ||
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Servolisk
United States5241 Posts
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Comeondieyoung
Germany23 Posts
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-DaJ-
Switzerland539 Posts
thats exactly my point. but i didnt tell u  rofl kk, sorry. here it goes: in my opinion in the college u learn how to play in a team. u have to go through college to be mature enough to understand the game. the hischool players might be athlete enough for the nba but their mind is not ready... | ||
Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
That's how I reason --; And I don't even know shit about this, just that what you say isn't logical ;o! No one is forcing anyone to recruit them! | ||
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Clutch3
United States1344 Posts
On April 13 2005 04:07 Comeondieyoung wrote: I guess it was more Shaq than Kobe in L.A. Yep, and Shaq went to college. Don't forget that for every Kobe, there's a Felipe Lopez. If you don't know who that is, you've proven the point... At the same time, there's really no legal foundation for an age limit. Still, Jermaine O'Neal's arguments were pretty bad. Way to pull the race card and make everyone forget about any real legitimate reasons you might have had. And Jermaine came right out of high school and had NO effect for his team and almost no playing time for four years -- an entire college career! Almost without question, he probably would have been better served having gone to school. But of course, that's his choice. And it is silly that college is the NBA farm system. The NBDL really should be made into a legitimate option for up-and-coming players. | ||
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Stat.Quo
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[GiTM]-Ace
United States4935 Posts
 i dont think them going to college would have had any effect except maybe them making college ball better i guess.its not like they just draft anyone out of highsschool u have to have some potential.look at it this way carmello went to college won the ncaa and still wasnt drafted be4 the highschool phenom college means nothing! | ||
XaI)CyRiC
United States4471 Posts
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Stat.Quo
Canada540 Posts
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BigBalls
United States5354 Posts
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BigBalls
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Keanu_Reaver
Djibouti1432 Posts
On April 13 2005 09:54 Stat.Quo wrote: I got a question, where do all NCAA profits go? They probably make billions of dollars a year through T.V contracts alone. most likely to the schools | ||
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Keanu_Reaver
Djibouti1432 Posts
On April 13 2005 09:54 Stat.Quo wrote: I got a question, where do all NCAA profits go? They probably make billions of dollars a year through T.V contracts alone. also ncaa basketball players, while not earning a salary, will get athletic scholarships which will be worth tens of thousands (or more) in value | ||
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-DaJ-
Switzerland539 Posts
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tiffany
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Casper...
Liberia4948 Posts
or get that money and practice with the best ballers on earth every day and learn how to be a pro while still banging countless hot 18 year olds along with some 21 and 24 and 27 year olds and pushing a lexus u paid for | ||
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Casper...
Liberia4948 Posts
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BigBalls
United States5354 Posts
i knew i missed TL for a reason | ||
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tiffany
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Servolisk
United States5241 Posts
On April 13 2005 21:34 tiffany wrote: i wonder if there are any homosexual players in the nba McGrady said about 5%. | ||
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verbosefluff
United States67 Posts
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Servolisk
United States5241 Posts
It doesn't matter for this argument though. Don't forget that for every Kobe, there's a Felipe Lopez. If you don't know who that is, you've proven the point... No, since high school kids still have a higher proportion of success (atleast if you don't include high school aged foreign players, I don't really have these numbers on hand). It isn't as if there aren't college busts either. For every Grant Hill there is a Christian Laettner. There are a lot of college stars that can't play in the NBA. Two of the fab-five didn't even make it to the NBA... At the same time, there's really no legal foundation for an age limit. Still, Jermaine O'Neal's arguments were pretty bad. Way to pull the race card and make everyone forget about any real legitimate reasons you might have had. And Jermaine came right out of high school and had NO effect for his team and almost no playing time for four years -- an entire college career! Almost without question, he probably would have been better served having gone to school. But of course, that's his choice. O'Neal said he wasn't playing the race card. Jermaine had a lot of thoughtful arguments, and then is asked if race is a factor, he says "as a black guy, you wonder about that". So the media being what it is comes out saying he is accusing Stern of racism or something like that. To put it to rest, JO said he doesn't have any reason to call it or anyone racist. You'd think that would be enough... Why are you saying he would have been better off going to school? You really think your in a position to disagree with his assessment on the subject? Or say Rasheed Wallace, a former teammate who had a large hand in his development during those years on the bench? On top of all that, how can he have been better served by going to college? Many have problems making the transition from college to the NBA game. What can possibly have served him better than developing into one of the top players in the game? He was served to the max, unless you think college would of had him dominating like Wilt Chamberlain. I have no doubt his game and finances would be behind. | ||
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tiffany
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referring to verbose's post | ||
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Servolisk
United States5241 Posts
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Clutch3
United States1344 Posts
On April 13 2005 22:10 Servolisk wrote: No, since high school kids still have a higher proportion of success (atleast if you don't include high school aged foreign players, I don't really have these numbers on hand). It isn't as if there aren't college busts either. For every Grant Hill there is a Christian Laettner. There are a lot of college stars that can't play in the NBA. Two of the fab-five didn't even make it to the NBA... By that logic, every high school player from the St. Vincent-St. Mary's high school squad should come out of HS directly into the NBA. (all of them who have declared have succeeded) You can't compare the talent level of those players who come straight from high school with the talent level of EVERY college player. What you have to compare is the prospects for a given player or group of players on the two options: 1) coming out of HS versus 2) going to college. We can debate whether Jermaine O'Neal would have been better off going to college, but it's still ridiculous to take one of the minority of high-school declarees who has become an all-star in the NBA as a "garden-variety case"; it's treating a relative outlier as the norm. What you can't really debate is that those people who didn't get drafted would DEFINITELY have had better results going to college. And of course, no one has mentioned that college is still, you know, a place where you learn stuff. At least some NBA players still take advantage of that... | ||
Waxangel
United States33388 Posts
cas is god T_T | ||
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Servolisk
United States5241 Posts
On April 18 2005 11:13 Clutch3 wrote: By that logic, every high school player from the St. Vincent-St. Mary's high school squad should come out of HS directly into the NBA. (all of them who have declared have succeeded) You can't compare the talent level of those players who come straight from high school with the talent level of EVERY college player. What you have to compare is the prospects for a given player or group of players on the two options: 1) coming out of HS versus 2) going to college. We can debate whether Jermaine O'Neal would have been better off going to college, but it's still ridiculous to take one of the minority of high-school declarees who has become an all-star in the NBA as a "garden-variety case"; it's treating a relative outlier as the norm. What you can't really debate is that those people who didn't get drafted would DEFINITELY have had better results going to college. And of course, no one has mentioned that college is still, you know, a place where you learn stuff. At least some NBA players still take advantage of that... I wasn't saying JO is a garden variety case, I only discussed him because you said he would have been better at college. The only way there would even be room to discuss if JO would be better at college would be as I said for him to be about the best player in the game which is pretty ridiculous. As for people who don't get drafted... what exactly is stopping them from going to college after not being drafted? Sure you learn stuff at college, but you can learn in other places too... The primary goal for most people is to start developing their career, which these people already have a huge advantage on. Plus, college is not a place where college basketball players learn stuff. Ask Charles Barkley | ||
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tiffany
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ItchReliever
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