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On July 20 2011 02:25 urasheep wrote:
I'm 15 years old.. 5'9.6" 15 years old. I'm 1 inch taller then my mom, 1 shorter then my dad. Can anyone tell me if I've stopped growing yet? I'm scurred I'm gona be short forever xD.
......... You're 15.
Males tend to stop growing at 21.
Just lift weights and eat enough and you will grow (if your genetics permit).
If you don't eat enough you won't grow.
On July 20 2011 04:50 zatic wrote:
Boo fucking hoo, 175 and perfectly happy with that. Should that change some day I'll just move to Korea where I am a giant. What pisses me off though are the 190+ guys who snatch the short girls. Such a waste of shortness!
Finished first goal today: 1.5BW squat @ 105kg
bench 67.5
deadlift 115
press 42.5
pclean 42.5
Which bring me to my hate subject: For 6 weeks now I am failing 42.5 on the press. Virtually 0 progress. I started power cleans just last week and already easily overtook the press (don't know if that is expected though). But my press is so ridiculously fail.
And a question: I found that when I rack the bar in the top slot at the bench, I just barely get it out in my work sets. And that makes me lose form every time. So today I racked it one slot below, started from there, and racket it back into the top slot (for safety reasons). The 67.5kg were WAY easier that way than the 65kg last week with skewed form.
Is that a bad idea? If so any other suggestion how I can use the top slot without losing tension and form?
That should be fine to do it that way.
Sometimes it's a bit too high and awkward to do that. All arms aren't long enough to use the top slot effectively.
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On July 20 2011 05:50 Never.Die wrote:
Has anyone have of a product called Ultradrol?
Generally, avoid supplements that end in -drol...... tend to mean steroids and steroids, kids, are bad.
On July 20 2011 07:14 unDef wrote:
I'm one month into the Insanity program and I am loving my results. I was already in good shape but this program is awesome.
Insanity is ok... but there's better stuff depending on goals.
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On July 20 2011 07:24 BouBou.865 wrote:
Good shape=/= strong, though. Also that post by ILOVEKITTENS is amazing, highest of recommendations.
Few nap related questions to eschlow/anybody else:
-Is Napping a useful habit to acquire?
-If yes, what sites/books do you recommend to learn about napping?
-Any stuff you recommend on sleep in general?
That's it, got a date planned for my birthday, will write a big fat battle report.
I would say that napping is fine IF it's not to make up for the fact that your sleep habits are terrible. I mean it's good that you're getting rest but if you're sleeping at 1 am constantly it's still very stressful on the body even with the naps. Your lifting generally suffers if that's the case.
I made a hugeeeeeeee post in the OP on sleep and things that help it. Read it.
Come on guys.... before you ask questions read OP. :p
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On July 20 2011 08:44 decafchicken wrote:
What's you're weekly workout going to look like these days?
I think bud is giving his daughter a weight set to take to school and put in one of the shitty dorm gyms which should be easier for me to get to so i might take up lifting 4-5 days a week once i get back to school and have the time to.
I will discuss it with my coach. I would just like to add more squats into the program.
btw are u following bud's programming?
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Eshlow, can you explain to me why grains are bad?
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On July 20 2011 13:20 urasheep wrote:
Eshlow, can you explain to me why grains are bad?
ill answer for eshlow....
go read the OP
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On July 20 2011 13:20 urasheep wrote:
Eshlow, can you explain to me why grains are bad?
You really ought to search through the topic. USE TL's search feature, put "eshlow" in the username field, search "title and content" "TL community forum" and then search "gluten" and "health and fitness" (both in quotations.)
There's five great posts, for ten seconds of effort right there. Here's a piece of one:
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^^^^^ I just searched before both of you made your posts..
I wont ask anymore, I'll just search 
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thedeadhaji
39489 Posts
What do you tell a girl who is concerned of becoming too big if she lifts weights?
Also what program woudl she go on?
Would she go on SS? What reasoning would I use?
Thanks T_T
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On July 20 2011 12:53 AoN.DimSum wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2011 08:44 decafchicken wrote:
What's you're weekly workout going to look like these days?
I think bud is giving his daughter a weight set to take to school and put in one of the shitty dorm gyms which should be easier for me to get to so i might take up lifting 4-5 days a week once i get back to school and have the time to.
I will discuss it with my coach. I would just like to add more squats into the program. btw are u following bud's programming?
Mostly. All full lifts + squat, i.e. i'll probably be going 3x a week and doing ~8 singles give or take of snatch w/ OHS and CJ with front squat and either beginning or ending the workout with a max FS or ~5 singles at 90%+
AFAIK his daughter trains twice a day pretty heavy snatch w/ ohs or cj w/ fs and heavy singles at fs. one oly lift in the morning one in the evening, FS both times i think.
He's mostly against doing partial lifts like pulls or any sort of pressing. The way he coaches he'll have me focus on just the goal of the lift, like on snatch focus only on my feet and getting from starting position back into a deep squat as fast as possible or on the jerk just barely unlocking the knees and splitting your legs as fast as you can and the little details seem to work themselves out pretty well. Press work seems to be negatively correlated with jerk as its two entirely different things, jerk is all about going from relaxed to explosion as fast as possible where as a press is much slower and an entirely separate movement (his articles do a much better job explaining the finer points lol) therefore doesnt help your jerk. he also mentioned that most upper body work makes you want to use your upper body and the moment you do that you detract from your lower body explosion which is what you want.
/rambling
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On July 20 2011 14:08 thedeadhaji wrote:
What do you tell a girl who is concerned of becoming too big if she lifts weights?
Also what program woudl she go on?
Would she go on SS? What reasoning would I use?
Thanks T_T
-Tell her she doesnt have the testosterone to do such things. and show her this:
![[image loading]](http://www.crossfitoakland.com/imagebrowser/view/image/5522/_original)
-SS works. Crossfit girls seem to have amazing bodies too
-Reasoning? Ask her if she wants perfect legs, ass, and core.
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On July 20 2011 14:46 thedeadhaji wrote:picture > 1000 words Thanks  edit: yea I did tell her that it's really really really really really hard to be disgustingly big, even for guys
If you want to get technical, you can go and tell her about the caloric requirements (eat big get big), the testosterone differences between male and female (and even how much a guy has to work to get big), the necessary sleep patterns, and the long-term programing that goes into getting huge. You can describe that "toning" a muscle really means strengthening it, while losing fat from the area, but that fat leaves the body as a whole, not specific parts. You can talk about nutrient partitioning/directing effect of lifting weights towards getting in shape (directing nutrients and energy to recovering muscles, rather than storing as fat) and on and on and on.
If you don't think she'll be interested, look up some pictures of lower weight class oly lifting girls, or gymnastics girls and let her know that they workout. A lot, with heavy things (because BW stuff is HARD.) Tell her you've done a bunch of research on women's specific programs, and that you'll be able to stop, or at least change things before "she gets too big."
As far as program, a SS type program is cool, but she's not going to be able to progress nearly as fast as is recommended, especially on the upper body lifts. There's also no way in hell she's going to want to bench; you should be able to get away with dips, OHP, push press, etc. Add enough cardio that Rippetoe would vomit at the thought of your program, and an Abs regimen that you do fairly often - but keep that heavy, with 3-4 sets of 2-3 exercises, same as you would on any other body part in a split. She's going to want those things, and they won't hurt her goals, so why not?
I've gotten several girls at my school interested in lifting in this way. I've taken a couple "classes" where I didn't really learn much, but I've talked pretty extensively to girls in those classes on why they're doing what they're doing. I've gotten my little sister lifting particularly for basketball cross-training, and I set up an ex girlfriend on what is really a modified SS, but she calls a "toning and strengthening routine" that I believe she more or less maintains today.
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On July 20 2011 14:46 thedeadhaji wrote:picture > 1000 words Thanks edit: yea I did tell her that it's really really really really really hard to be disgustingly big, even for guys
I always get this response from females when I suggest lifting weights, and I don't understand why. Do people really believe that you walk into a gym one day and accidentally end up looking like Jay Cutler?
It doesn't even take an explanation of testosterone, caloric, genetic, and time requirements to achieve such a physique. It really comes down to this: if you look in the mirror one day and feel like you're too big, just back off on the intensity/calories a little bit.
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On July 20 2011 14:38 decafchicken wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2011 12:53 AoN.DimSum wrote:On July 20 2011 08:44 decafchicken wrote:
What's you're weekly workout going to look like these days?
I think bud is giving his daughter a weight set to take to school and put in one of the shitty dorm gyms which should be easier for me to get to so i might take up lifting 4-5 days a week once i get back to school and have the time to.
I will discuss it with my coach. I would just like to add more squats into the program. btw are u following bud's programming? Mostly. All full lifts + squat, i.e. i'll probably be going 3x a week and doing ~8 singles give or take of snatch w/ OHS and CJ with front squat and either beginning or ending the workout with a max FS or ~5 singles at 90%+ AFAIK his daughter trains twice a day pretty heavy snatch w/ ohs or cj w/ fs and heavy singles at fs. one oly lift in the morning one in the evening, FS both times i think. He's mostly against doing partial lifts like pulls or any sort of pressing. The way he coaches he'll have me focus on just the goal of the lift, like on snatch focus only on my feet and getting from starting position back into a deep squat as fast as possible or on the jerk just barely unlocking the knees and splitting your legs as fast as you can and the little details seem to work themselves out pretty well. Press work seems to be negatively correlated with jerk as its two entirely different things, jerk is all about going from relaxed to explosion as fast as possible where as a press is much slower and an entirely separate movement (his articles do a much better job explaining the finer points lol) therefore doesnt help your jerk. he also mentioned that most upper body work makes you want to use your upper body and the moment you do that you detract from your lower body explosion which is what you want. /rambling
Interesting style..I would think his programming would be more like the russian system.
What is the ohs for? Is her overhead position weak? He also favors fs over bs?
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It's worth pointing out girls will not benefit from a caloric surplus as much as men do, so please no gallons of whole milk.
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thedeadhaji
39489 Posts
On July 20 2011 15:11 RosaParksStoleMySeat wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2011 14:46 thedeadhaji wrote:picture > 1000 words Thanks edit: yea I did tell her that it's really really really really really hard to be disgustingly big, even for guys I always get this response from females when I suggest lifting weights, and I don't understand why. Do people really believe that you walk into a gym one day and accidentally end up looking like Jay Cutler? It doesn't even take an explanation of testosterone, caloric, genetic, and time requirements to achieve such a physique. It really comes down to this: if you look in the mirror one day and feel like you're too big, just back off on the intensity/calories a little bit.
yup that's exactly what I figured too
Just watch your arms/legs/abs and if you dont like what you see, tone it down
On July 20 2011 15:04 phyre112 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2011 14:46 thedeadhaji wrote:picture > 1000 words Thanks edit: yea I did tell her that it's really really really really really hard to be disgustingly big, even for guys If you want to get technical, you can go and tell her about the caloric requirements (eat big get big), the testosterone differences between male and female (and even how much a guy has to work to get big), the necessary sleep patterns, and the long-term programing that goes into getting huge. You can describe that "toning" a muscle really means strengthening it, while losing fat from the area, but that fat leaves the body as a whole, not specific parts. You can talk about nutrient partitioning/directing effect of lifting weights towards getting in shape (directing nutrients and energy to recovering muscles, rather than storing as fat) and on and on and on. If you don't think she'll be interested, look up some pictures of lower weight class oly lifting girls, or gymnastics girls and let her know that they workout. A lot, with heavy things (because BW stuff is HARD.) Tell her you've done a bunch of research on women's specific programs, and that you'll be able to stop, or at least change things before "she gets too big." As far as program, a SS type program is cool, but she's not going to be able to progress nearly as fast as is recommended, especially on the upper body lifts. There's also no way in hell she's going to want to bench; you should be able to get away with dips, OHP, push press, etc. Add enough cardio that Rippetoe would vomit at the thought of your program, and an Abs regimen that you do fairly often - but keep that heavy, with 3-4 sets of 2-3 exercises, same as you would on any other body part in a split. She's going to want those things, and they won't hurt her goals, so why not? I've gotten several girls at my school interested in lifting in this way. I've taken a couple "classes" where I didn't really learn much, but I've talked pretty extensively to girls in those classes on why they're doing what they're doing. I've gotten my little sister lifting particularly for basketball cross-training, and I set up an ex girlfriend on what is really a modified SS, but she calls a "toning and strengthening routine" that I believe she more or less maintains today.
awesome info, thanks!
I'll keep ya posted ya'll
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On July 20 2011 10:23 eshlow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2011 07:24 BouBou.865 wrote:
Good shape=/= strong, though. Also that post by ILOVEKITTENS is amazing, highest of recommendations.
Few nap related questions to eschlow/anybody else:
-Is Napping a useful habit to acquire?
-If yes, what sites/books do you recommend to learn about napping?
-Any stuff you recommend on sleep in general?
That's it, got a date planned for my birthday, will write a big fat battle report. I would say that napping is fine IF it's not to make up for the fact that your sleep habits are terrible. I mean it's good that you're getting rest but if you're sleeping at 1 am constantly it's still very stressful on the body even with the naps. Your lifting generally suffers if that's the case. I made a hugeeeeeeee post in the OP on sleep and things that help it. Read it. Come on guys.... before you ask questions read OP. :p
You're right Eschlow. We should read the OP throroughly before bothering you with questions. However, Robb doesn't mention anything about napping. I mean what time of the day, do's and don'ts before/after, should I treat it like normal sleep, etc etc. There is a book on amazon called 'Take a Nap! Change your life' which is writen by two professor who've done a lot of research. Worth picking up?
@Phyre112 What helped me get girls into exercise is discussing repeatedly and at length how god damn shallow my selection process is when it comes to women. Generally when they see how tough selection is, they start getting into health and fitness. When she starts, you'll want to make a bet with her by the way (I bet you can't lose xyz in 4 months). It's still not 100% ofcourse, but that's how I got 3 good female friends that were starting to lose teh yummiez back into the zone.
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there were some posts/convo somewhere about napping and someone suggested we evolved to have 2 sleep during a day rather than or as equal to one sleep per day, so long as we get the full 9 hours
tried looking cant find it, fuck this 8000 post thread already (or maybe it was the op stuff lol idc)
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Some updates
I'm heavily jet-lagged, and was away from a proper gym for over a month 
Began my day with 60 min of hot yoga, and I was incredibly stiff and inflexible, it was almost embarrassing >.<
Gym was decent, felt a little nostalgic after being gone for so long.
DL: 295lb x 5x1, I pulled a 1x 315, but my form was bad. This fell from 345 or 355.
Bench:
205 x 4 x 1
195 x 3 x 1
185 x 5 x 1
This fell from 225 x 5 x 3
Clean:
155 x 3 x 2
I was exhausted by this point. This fell from 165 x 5 x 3
Going to do squats next time. It's not going to be pretty.
The "upside" is that I lost ten pounds, so hopefully, when I gain ten pounds back, I'll be able to up all of my lifts.
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