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glurio
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany597 Posts
July 20 2011 18:41 GMT
#8961
Take a relaxed picture of your front. Always works for me.
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FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
July 20 2011 18:56 GMT
#8962
damn damn damn!

i done squat 65kg/60kg/55kg several sets (like 2-3-5-4-4-2 i guess, wasnt really counting, just working till my face turned red)

then i moved to bench - BAD idea to try benching twice in a row. hadnt i learnt this already?? i done 3 reps of 67.5kg then stopped - need to recover properly for friday.

then i thought okay ill do lateral raises for shoulders. never done them before but got an idea what to do. tried to raise two 5kg weights up my sides but my shoulder really hurt. tried again with 2.5kg weights and still hurt. shit.

so i quit that and waited to do deads next but gym was full by then.

i didnt know what to do (havent learn powercleans yet) so ive come home and had some beef. im gonna do curls if poss and then go back to the gym in an hour and do my deads (itll be empty by then).

in retrospect i should have stayed at the gym and done leg raises/abs, as it would supplement my squat (now i realised how to use abs in squat!). however didnt think of that at the time and was at a loss for what to do!!!
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cody1024d
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
107 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-20 19:00:36
July 20 2011 19:00 GMT
#8963
Just finished up a 3 week Olympic Lifting program, called Dan John Big 21. Oh boy, it was certainly, certainly a mental and physical challenge. In a nutshell though, it was very, very effective.

Please note that my body weight hovers around 77kg. Also, some of the kg numbers below are funky, only because I am using weights measured in lbs (stupid gym in home town doesn't even have bumper plates).

Starting Lifts (1 rep Max/5 rep Max):
Clean and (strict) Press: 56.7 kg/49.9kg
Snatch: 49.9 kg/43 kg
Clean and Jerk: 83.9 kg/ 65.77 kg

Ending Lifts (1 rep Max/5 rep Max):
Clean and (strict) Press: 65.77kg/56.7kg ---My 5 rep maximum is surely higher (this was my finishing 5rep set, and in retrospect I could have done more), however 145lbs seems to be my upper limit in terms of pure press as of right now.

Snatch: 54.4 kg/ 43 kg ---My snatches were my weak point coming in, and are clearly still that way coming out of this program. This is partially due to my relative inexperience with the movement. However, on the positive note, the weight seems a lot more stable in the overhead squat and initial catch. I would like to improve upon the 2nd pull, as I think it is causing some balance problems.

Clean and Jerk: 92.89 kg/ 74.82 kg ---I am most happy with the improvement in my Clean and Jerk. Not only were the weights increased, but my form as well. I also think I could have gone heavier on the 1rm, and I will test these upper limits in the next few weeks. As far as criticism, I am still having trouble finishing the second pull in the clean, and am catching the weight too early.

Overall, coming from a Crossfit (2 years) background this program was both humbling and effective. I started this routine in hopes to increase my overall strength and power, to help me in the Crossfit workouts, as I cannot move the required weight for the required reps most of the time (I have to scale it slightly). I think this routine gave me considerable gains, considering it was only a 3 week program. Only time will tell how well this will transfer into my Crossfit WoDs though.

Anyone else have experience (Dimsum and decaf?) with this program? Because personally I would reccomend it.
No point in half-assing it.
inimenesc
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Estonia374 Posts
July 20 2011 19:17 GMT
#8964
cody goood progress!!!

looked myself from a mirror...god i am looking better every day, in august i should be quite confident with the picture i can provide here

still going to use the belt, i dont use it from 40% max rep, nono from 80%+ i think maybe even 90%+, havent decided yet.
"When game is going full retard, you can only go with it. If you start going against it, if you start going half retard, you´re fucking done for." -n0tail 2014
Donkeys
Profile Joined August 2010
Mexico308 Posts
July 20 2011 19:18 GMT
#8965
Last week I went a bit crazy on CJ and snatches and my wrists were kind of sore. They hurt really bad when jerking today, I had to stop. Any tips for wrist care?
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Zafrumi
Profile Joined June 2009
Switzerland1272 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-20 19:56:39
July 20 2011 19:55 GMT
#8966
On July 21 2011 03:56 FFGenerations wrote:
damn damn damn!

i done squat 65kg/60kg/55kg several sets (like 2-3-5-4-4-2 i guess, wasnt really counting, just working till my face turned red)

then i moved to bench - BAD idea to try benching twice in a row. hadnt i learnt this already?? i done 3 reps of 67.5kg then stopped - need to recover properly for friday.

then i thought okay ill do lateral raises for shoulders. never done them before but got an idea what to do. tried to raise two 5kg weights up my sides but my shoulder really hurt. tried again with 2.5kg weights and still hurt. shit.

so i quit that and waited to do deads next but gym was full by then.

i didnt know what to do (havent learn powercleans yet) so ive come home and had some beef. im gonna do curls if poss and then go back to the gym in an hour and do my deads (itll be empty by then).

in retrospect i should have stayed at the gym and done leg raises/abs, as it would supplement my squat (now i realised how to use abs in squat!). however didnt think of that at the time and was at a loss for what to do!!!


not to be an asshole but I totally saw that bench fail coming you cant force yourself to break a plateau by maxing out your bench every day. have patience, young padawan!
"Strong people are harder to kill than weak people and more useful in general" -Mark Rippetoe
Necosarius
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Sweden4042 Posts
July 20 2011 20:29 GMT
#8967
Fuck, I failed so hard on power cleans today. I just couldn't get my elbows up and now I have pain in my left shoulder -.-

I've been playing Assassins Creed 2 a lot lately and damn I want to reach Ezio mode ;_;
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20078 Posts
July 20 2011 20:44 GMT
#8968
On July 20 2011 15:22 AoN.DimSum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2011 14:38 decafchicken wrote:
On July 20 2011 12:53 AoN.DimSum wrote:
On July 20 2011 08:44 decafchicken wrote:

What's you're weekly workout going to look like these days?
I think bud is giving his daughter a weight set to take to school and put in one of the shitty dorm gyms which should be easier for me to get to so i might take up lifting 4-5 days a week once i get back to school and have the time to.



I will discuss it with my coach. I would just like to add more squats into the program.

btw are u following bud's programming?


Mostly. All full lifts + squat, i.e. i'll probably be going 3x a week and doing ~8 singles give or take of snatch w/ OHS and CJ with front squat and either beginning or ending the workout with a max FS or ~5 singles at 90%+
AFAIK his daughter trains twice a day pretty heavy snatch w/ ohs or cj w/ fs and heavy singles at fs. one oly lift in the morning one in the evening, FS both times i think.
He's mostly against doing partial lifts like pulls or any sort of pressing. The way he coaches he'll have me focus on just the goal of the lift, like on snatch focus only on my feet and getting from starting position back into a deep squat as fast as possible or on the jerk just barely unlocking the knees and splitting your legs as fast as you can and the little details seem to work themselves out pretty well. Press work seems to be negatively correlated with jerk as its two entirely different things, jerk is all about going from relaxed to explosion as fast as possible where as a press is much slower and an entirely separate movement (his articles do a much better job explaining the finer points lol) therefore doesnt help your jerk. he also mentioned that most upper body work makes you want to use your upper body and the moment you do that you detract from your lower body explosion which is what you want.
/rambling


Interesting style..I would think his programming would be more like the russian system.

What is the ohs for? Is her overhead position weak? He also favors fs over bs?

OHS after snatch for balance, feel for where the bar should be. and strength too i presume, same with fs after the clean before the jerk. Her overhead position isnt weak at all. And yeah, i dont think he ever even has his daughter or himself do back squats, just front. I still mix it up.
Overheard him talking, i guess he used to snatch at least 160 T_T
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-20 21:16:36
July 20 2011 21:15 GMT
#8969
haha zafrumi, i tried bench on the 14th, 15th, 18th and again today (20th) tho i cut some of those short.

i will have to pick up PCs soon now dead is getting harder, and im sick worried about getting in any sort of fucking shoulder exercise. i cant even do a >weightless< lateral shoulder raise with my left arm, i found out today. its because i always lie in bed on my left shoulder, facing my laptop. i noticed it was causing an ache/some issue a week or 2 ago and have been trying to avoid lying like that since. im such a delicate butterfly.

got my deads in just now. will bring chalk next time!
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Snapplecakes
Profile Joined May 2011
Norway78 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-20 21:25:51
July 20 2011 21:19 GMT
#8970
you need to take a hard look at what youre doing FFgenerations, 4 days of bench in 6 days to push through a plateu? youll NEVER hit any of your goals doing stuff like that, same with deadlifting like 2 sessions 2 days apart (correct me if im mistaken) you need rest for a reason

look at what youve been doing, thats a wake up call
SQUATS AND OATS!
AirbladeOrange
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2573 Posts
July 20 2011 21:27 GMT
#8971
Does anybody train and compete in running events or triathlons?
funkie
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Venezuela9376 Posts
July 20 2011 21:47 GMT
#8972
On July 21 2011 06:19 Snapplecakes wrote:
you need to take a hard look at what youre doing FFgenerations, 4 days of bench in 6 days to push through a plateu? youll NEVER hit any of your goals doing stuff like that, same with deadlifting like 2 sessions 2 days apart (correct me if im mistaken) you need rest for a reason

look at what youve been doing, thats a wake up call


Unless you're like me, a fucking stupid crazy person, and go all in in every single workout.

LET'S DO THIS
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Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4732 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-20 22:22:27
July 20 2011 22:21 GMT
#8973
@FFG: listen to what snapplecakes is saying. To expand on that, what you are doing is a sure path to injury. You cannot beat a plaeteau on the bench press like that, this is not like squatting. There are a lot of small muscles involved and these need rest. Bench 1-2x a week and do some assistance exercises in between or afterwards: DB-incline, DB-ohp, direct triceps work, chin-ups or rows... basically anything you can do that does not hurt.
What you are doing right now will lead to further injury.
"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
dudeman001
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2412 Posts
July 20 2011 22:22 GMT
#8974
On July 21 2011 06:27 AirbladeOrange wrote:
Does anybody train and compete in running events or triathlons?

Used to run cross country and track but that's it. What's up?
Sup.
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
July 20 2011 22:29 GMT
#8975
On July 21 2011 03:56 FFGenerations wrote:
damn damn damn!

i done squat 65kg/60kg/55kg several sets (like 2-3-5-4-4-2 i guess, wasnt really counting, just working till my face turned red)

then i moved to bench - BAD idea to try benching twice in a row. hadnt i learnt this already?? i done 3 reps of 67.5kg then stopped - need to recover properly for friday.

then i thought okay ill do lateral raises for shoulders. never done them before but got an idea what to do. tried to raise two 5kg weights up my sides but my shoulder really hurt. tried again with 2.5kg weights and still hurt. shit.

so i quit that and waited to do deads next but gym was full by then.

i didnt know what to do (havent learn powercleans yet) so ive come home and had some beef. im gonna do curls if poss and then go back to the gym in an hour and do my deads (itll be empty by then).

in retrospect i should have stayed at the gym and done leg raises/abs, as it would supplement my squat (now i realised how to use abs in squat!). however didnt think of that at the time and was at a loss for what to do!!!


Uh, sounds like you need to see a doc about that if 2.5kg hurt :\

On July 21 2011 04:18 Donkeys wrote:
Last week I went a bit crazy on CJ and snatches and my wrists were kind of sore. They hurt really bad when jerking today, I had to stop. Any tips for wrist care?


Rice bucket (youtube)

On July 21 2011 03:21 hazelynut wrote:
I keep going on and off whenever I decide I'm going to be healthy in diet/exercise. Really sad T_T... I know it's a motivational thing but whenever I'm on vacation, any sort of dietary or exercise regime goes out the window, and then when I'm home I notice/am slightly disappointed at the visible change.


Well, you reallyjust gotta get keep yourself accountable whether it's making a log, writing it down, having us keep you accountable or whatever
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FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-20 22:41:33
July 20 2011 22:35 GMT
#8976
thanks for the concern guys, but im not at a plateau, i benched 2 days in a row after having 15 days off and cutting short the first day, then again after 2 rest days, then after another rest day i stopped today after doing 3 reps and realising it was too soon. just a misunderstanding

*the shoulder problem im sure is just a consequence of me lying/leaning on that side for the past few months in bed, its annoying but i can only blame myself for bad posture and not listening to my body
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UrASofty
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Canada772 Posts
July 20 2011 22:44 GMT
#8977
i think the main point is that you should have a strict workout program that you should be following and not doing something two days in a row just because you didn't workout for a couple weeks.
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FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
July 20 2011 22:48 GMT
#8978
ya i know i just couldnt believe i lost that much strength in my bench press and came away feeling confused and desperately curious *meow*
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AoN.DimSum
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2983 Posts
July 20 2011 22:50 GMT
#8979
On July 21 2011 05:44 decafchicken wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2011 15:22 AoN.DimSum wrote:
On July 20 2011 14:38 decafchicken wrote:
On July 20 2011 12:53 AoN.DimSum wrote:
On July 20 2011 08:44 decafchicken wrote:

What's you're weekly workout going to look like these days?
I think bud is giving his daughter a weight set to take to school and put in one of the shitty dorm gyms which should be easier for me to get to so i might take up lifting 4-5 days a week once i get back to school and have the time to.



I will discuss it with my coach. I would just like to add more squats into the program.

btw are u following bud's programming?


Mostly. All full lifts + squat, i.e. i'll probably be going 3x a week and doing ~8 singles give or take of snatch w/ OHS and CJ with front squat and either beginning or ending the workout with a max FS or ~5 singles at 90%+
AFAIK his daughter trains twice a day pretty heavy snatch w/ ohs or cj w/ fs and heavy singles at fs. one oly lift in the morning one in the evening, FS both times i think.
He's mostly against doing partial lifts like pulls or any sort of pressing. The way he coaches he'll have me focus on just the goal of the lift, like on snatch focus only on my feet and getting from starting position back into a deep squat as fast as possible or on the jerk just barely unlocking the knees and splitting your legs as fast as you can and the little details seem to work themselves out pretty well. Press work seems to be negatively correlated with jerk as its two entirely different things, jerk is all about going from relaxed to explosion as fast as possible where as a press is much slower and an entirely separate movement (his articles do a much better job explaining the finer points lol) therefore doesnt help your jerk. he also mentioned that most upper body work makes you want to use your upper body and the moment you do that you detract from your lower body explosion which is what you want.
/rambling


Interesting style..I would think his programming would be more like the russian system.

What is the ohs for? Is her overhead position weak? He also favors fs over bs?

OHS after snatch for balance, feel for where the bar should be. and strength too i presume, same with fs after the clean before the jerk. Her overhead position isnt weak at all. And yeah, i dont think he ever even has his daughter or himself do back squats, just front. I still mix it up.
Overheard him talking, i guess he used to snatch at least 160 T_T



I tried snatch + ohs today up to 60. It really hurt my wrists LOL. It was actually harder than I expected, but I didnt go heavy enough to actually test it. i have done clean + fsq + jerk before and I like it a lot.

Also, 160 is a monster snatch WOW
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phyre112
Profile Joined August 2009
United States3090 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-21 01:20:10
July 21 2011 00:51 GMT
#8980
On July 21 2011 07:22 dudeman001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 06:27 AirbladeOrange wrote:
Does anybody train and compete in running events or triathlons?

Used to run cross country and track but that's it. What's up?


Same here. I haven't run in forever, I miss it. Probably pick it up again in addition to lifting when I get back to school. My dad coaches cross country and track - I know he'd be happy if I picked it back up.

Just hit 255 deadlift - 1.5x bw, at 170 lbs 6'3. I also don't understand how im staying the same weight, and am physically larger and stronger. I never had fat on me to begin with - it's weird.
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