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Snapplecakes
Profile Joined May 2011
Norway78 Posts
June 12 2011 07:49 GMT
#7041
+ Show Spoiler +

On June 12 2011 15:17 Dromar wrote:
Hey guys, new to the H&F thread, looking for some advice.

I recently moved out of my parents' house and decided to start living more healthily. I'm currently 5'3'', 230lb, age 25, kind of muscular but chubby. I could stand to lose 50?+ pounds. That's my goal.

So now I've decided to eat healthy portions of healthy food. For the past couple weeks, I've been eating the following foods:
carrots
spinach + shredded cheddar cheese
apples
yogurt (light)
soups (tomato, chicken noodle, vegetable beef)
sandwiches (wheat bread, ham or turkey, cheese)
oatmeal (instant)
cereal + skim milk

I'm drinking exclusively water, except when I drink alcohol on weekends. I'm trying to work in some more interesting meals like spaghetti, chicken, potatoes, and other things that I enjoy eating and feel are nutritious.

I exercise daily, some light weightlifting with dumbbells, crunches, pushups, etc. I try to work a variety of muscle groups, and I borrowed this book from a friend. I used to go to the gym regularly, but I'm on a tight budget and I personally prefer to work out at home. I recently injured my knee, and I'm unable to run while it heals, so I'm having trouble coming up with cardio exercises.

A typical day (and again, I've only been doing this for about 2 weeks) looks like this:
-wake up
-eat oatmeal or a bowl of cereal
-some light/moderate weight/stretching exercise before lunch
-for lunch a sandwich, yogurt, and carrots
-if I'm feeling really energetic/have time, I'll exercise again before dinner
-for dinner a spinach salad and a can of soup, maybe an apple
-for snacks, I'll have carrots, apple or yogurt

As I've searched the internet to learn more about healthy habits, I've found myself with some questions. Any input would be much appreciated.

1. At first I was concerned about making sure my calorie intake wasn't too high, but recently I've been thinking I might be too low. I'm not starving myself. When I'm hungry, I eat. But my typical day (as above) has me consuming between 900 and 1200 calories. Is this too low? I'm guessing it is, so the next question is, how should I change this? Should I eat more or eat differently? Currently I'm thinking of adding some sort of trail mix type food as a regular snack, to get more calories and also get some nuts. Should I be drinking anything other than water?

2. Obviously I would like to keep developing muscle, but my primary goal is weight loss. I feel like cardio exercise would be very beneficial here, but as I mentioned, my knee injury prevents me from running. Are there any cardio exercises I can do that don't put stress on my knees? I could go for walks, but I was hoping there was a more efficient exercise I could do.

Thanks for your help.



aslong as you cycle your calories on a weekly basis you can keep the overall deficit pretty low, im averaging like 1 kg a week now for 4 weeks doing this and i only go for some walks 4 times a week (i fucking hate cardio and everything around it).. if youre only gonna go on a 500 kcal deficit during the entire week then its gonna take ALOT of time or ALOT of cardio for you to lose weight at a faster pace, i guess its all dependant on your goals..

also eating nuts is a horrible snack, its super calorie dense.. remember, the more clean foods you eat the more you can eat, keep lean protein high!
SQUATS AND OATS!
FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
June 12 2011 10:27 GMT
#7042
apples take ages to eat, i get bored half way thru lol
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Zafrumi
Profile Joined June 2009
Switzerland1272 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-12 11:59:24
June 12 2011 10:45 GMT
#7043
last night I dreamed I was at a powerlifting competition doing deadlifts lol

lifting for lyfe!
"Strong people are harder to kill than weak people and more useful in general" -Mark Rippetoe
sc4k
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United Kingdom5454 Posts
June 12 2011 10:47 GMT
#7044
On June 12 2011 07:22 Snapplecakes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2011 05:46 Catch wrote:
For your diet, I would suggest spacing out your meals and eating 6 times a day in this order: Meal/Snack/Meal/Snack/Meal/Snack. Spacing out your meals will keep your glycogen levels up and keep you energetic, while not yo-yoing your metabolism


So I need some clarity on this if people know. I thought glycogen was primarily controlled by carbohydrates (Does protein and fat affect them?). Furthermore, I'm pretty sure that glycogen can cause the muscles to appear "fuller" which is why many body builders have a carb-up before a show. Is that correct as well?

Basically, what the tits controls glycogen? I know you use it during workout as a source of energy and all that jazz, which is why carbs are usually loaded around workouts.

Help me TL HF

and as for that eating 6 times a day bullshit to keep your glycogen leves up and to not yo-yo your metabolism is all bullshit BROSCIENCE thats been scientifically debunked.. read this to enlighten yourself http://www.leangains.com/2010/10/top-ten-fasting-myths-debunked.html

Dude...thanks so much for that...great article with supporting links. Changed so many of my preset opinions :S.
FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
June 12 2011 11:08 GMT
#7045
people with skin problems, i made this thread for seborrheic dermatitis http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=232627
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stevarius
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1394 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-12 11:27:02
June 12 2011 11:17 GMT
#7046
Today, I got off my ass and ran a mile as fast as I could stand after quitting any real exercise cold turkey almost 3 months ago when the semester ended. I haven't actually ran since high school and I still accomplished a mile of about a 7:45-8:00 pace. Mucus secretion was pretty high and I nearly vomited as I gagged halfway through the mile after trying to not spit every 10 paces... lol. I got back and buried my head into my freezer and achieving a very spiritual connection with my body as I numbed out any pain with the power of the mind. I recover now as I type this praising my amazing new shoes as they are the best damn pair of running shoes I have right now. The only thing slowing my mile down is my cardiovascular endurance.

I plan on not stopping fitness ever again as my energy levels diminish when my work ethic diminishes. I still have the muscle mass I gained from weight lifting the entire semester and part of a semester beforehand. A lot of weight training experience I gained through high school is about to be put back to use as I'm going to tackle the beast that is Layne Norton's plan. I'm well aware of what is involved and how to ease myself into such a rigorous program, but all the hard work will be worth it. Now to sit back, relax, and enjoy a nice glass of iced, but very heavily diluted Gatorade to replenish some delicious electrolytes. This is where the normal person who has never exercised rigorously in their life says "aw hell naw" and becomes a couch potato, but I have faced the tyranny of pain before and that has never stopped me from pushing my body to greater levels of fitness.

Fuck, now that the running euphoria is wearing off, I'm realizing what I just typed up and how totally fucked I'm going to be as I get back into the rhythm of weight training. That's the worst part...... Now it is time to cash the check my euphoria-induced ass signed.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Snapplecakes
Profile Joined May 2011
Norway78 Posts
June 12 2011 11:44 GMT
#7047


Dude...thanks so much for that...great article with supporting links. Changed so many of my preset opinions :S.


np, the more who get their eyes open to this and realise how wrong all that meal frequency bullshit is the better haha


on a workout related note! nailed 4-4-4 chinups and +10kg weighted dips today :D quite good id say concidering the fact that i weigh 92kg!
SQUATS AND OATS!
Advocado
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Denmark994 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-12 11:54:27
June 12 2011 11:53 GMT
#7048
I weight about 82 kgs which amounts to 180 lbs. A BMR calculator makes my daily intake at 1818 calories. Is this correct? Somebody advised me to eat about 3k when doing leangains.

Seems awful low (despite that fact that I'm adding 500 calories on lifting days).

Also my SS is dead in the water
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inimenesc
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Estonia374 Posts
June 12 2011 11:54 GMT
#7049
Are you putting your palms facing the torso? Imo it it the wrong way how to do it and our gym teacher made sure we know why. We climbed up/down of a wall for 1.5h

btw, i am 95kg! :D, but i can do like 3-3-3 or 4-3-2, havent tried :D
"When game is going full retard, you can only go with it. If you start going against it, if you start going half retard, you´re fucking done for." -n0tail 2014
Ludrik
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Australia523 Posts
June 12 2011 11:55 GMT
#7050
On June 12 2011 20:44 Snapplecakes wrote:
on a workout related note! nailed 4-4-4 chinups and +10kg weighted dips today :D quite good id say concidering the fact that i weigh 92kg!

Race to 8-8-8 chinups?. I'm currently at 4-3-3, although a fair bit lighter than you at 75kgs.
Only a fool would die laughing. I was a fool.
FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-12 12:48:38
June 12 2011 12:41 GMT
#7051
this is a 1mb video of me showing my flexibility at squat whilst wearing shoes and without standing on a wedge

http://www.zshare.net/download/913327076ca3f0c4/

i know my hands/wrists are not good but its my legs/hips/ankles/forelegs that are the problem

its almost like theres a mental barrier, i just get stuck trying to go down

anyway i will discipline myself better and work it out


today warmed up to 57.5kg bench but after 3 reps my back twinged so i stopped
bit of squat with bar fail
some 35kg press, NO twinge today in forearm. flexibility issue?

will go tomorrow
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LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-12 12:46:08
June 12 2011 12:44 GMT
#7052
To those like Catch arguing to death eating frequently and regularly is not necessary,

You are ignoring the psychological effects. Carb based snack when in bad mood and protein based snack when in need of energy will help you maintain steady neurotransmitter levels throughout the day. Plus any serious eating disorder therapy includes regular meals, no longer than 3-4 hours in between, and dieters are very prone to eating disorders.

Also, dismissing a theory completely and sourcing answers.com or wikipedia or leangains is laughable.
First of all, try to point out to actual empirical research like this:
http://www.ajcn.org/content/81/1/16.full

And secondly, if you have a theory, you will most likely find someone who agree with you and completely denying something and saying you disregard someone just because he has done different research without providing counter arguments from actual legitimate sources like Catch has done in the other thread just puts wide smile on my face.
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
MajinMojo
Profile Joined October 2010
266 Posts
June 12 2011 13:10 GMT
#7053
today's goals;
1) get into diamond
2) squat 2 plates
Zafrumi
Profile Joined June 2009
Switzerland1272 Posts
June 12 2011 13:11 GMT
#7054
maybe you should read the article on leangains.com... plenty of "real sources" in there.
"Strong people are harder to kill than weak people and more useful in general" -Mark Rippetoe
sc4k
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United Kingdom5454 Posts
June 12 2011 13:15 GMT
#7055
Holy mofokking shit, went to the gym expecting a normal workout straight after getting up out of bed...went for some squats. Met a guy called Mike who took me through some proper shit. It was squats on the smith machine 132-176-220 lbs 12-10-8 reps supersetted with quad extension machine on 200lbs. No particularly hard amounts but seriously, I was DRENCHED head to toe in sweat. Then onto 'walking squats' 176-220lbs 10-8 supersetted with calf raises 220lbs and finishing with a nice 20 reps 132lbs. Did some shoulder work and some hamstring raises after. So motherfucking drained!!!! Omfg, felt like I was going to have a heart attack. Heart rate probably around 190-200 so intense, and stayed like that for awhile! Walking back from the gym I felt like I would literally sink into the ground and melt. Sooo intense .
RosaParksStoleMySeat
Profile Joined December 2009
Japan926 Posts
June 12 2011 13:17 GMT
#7056
On June 12 2011 22:15 sc4k wrote:
Holy mofokking shit, went to the gym expecting a normal workout straight after getting up out of bed...went for some squats. Met a guy called Mike who took me through some proper shit. It was squats on the smith machine 132-176-220 lbs 12-10-8 reps supersetted with quad extension machine on 200lbs. No particularly hard amounts but seriously, I was DRENCHED head to toe in sweat. Then onto 'walking squats' 176-220lbs 10-8 supersetted with calf raises 220lbs and finishing with a nice 20 reps 132lbs. Did some shoulder work and some hamstring raises after. So motherfucking drained!!!! Omfg, felt like I was going to have a heart attack. Heart rate probably around 190-200 so intense, and stayed like that for awhile! Walking back from the gym I felt like I would literally sink into the ground and melt. Sooo intense .


It sounds like you're in a good mood so I hate to be the one to say this, but your friend Mike didn't really take you through proper shit if he had you squatting in the smith machine and using the quad extension machine... I recommend you read Starting Strength from cover to cover and do the workouts as they're written there.

FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
June 12 2011 13:23 GMT
#7057
Hahahaha
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Logros
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands9913 Posts
June 12 2011 13:27 GMT
#7058
On June 12 2011 20:55 Ludrik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2011 20:44 Snapplecakes wrote:
on a workout related note! nailed 4-4-4 chinups and +10kg weighted dips today :D quite good id say concidering the fact that i weigh 92kg!

Race to 8-8-8 chinups?. I'm currently at 4-3-3, although a fair bit lighter than you at 75kgs.

I'm in as well! Started at 4-4-4 last week weighing 88kg.
Ingenol
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1328 Posts
June 12 2011 13:28 GMT
#7059
On June 12 2011 21:44 LemOn wrote:
First of all, try to point out to actual empirical research like this:
http://www.ajcn.org/content/81/1/16.full

Wait, what's the relevance of obese women to most of us in this thread? Further, the study is far from a 6 meals versus 2 and (by design) is a "regular" meals versus "chaotic meal plan," the latter involving between 1 and 9 meals daily!

I'm a bit miffed that you bash people for mindlessly linking studies--which I certainly agree happens to an absurd extent, especially given that a large majority of medical studies are hardly scientific--and then mindlessly link a study that's really of very little relevance to the discussion at hand, which is the effects of meal frequency in relatively healthy individuals seeking to gain muscle and lose fat as part of an exercise regime.
sc4k
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United Kingdom5454 Posts
June 12 2011 13:30 GMT
#7060
On June 12 2011 22:17 RosaParksStoleMySeat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2011 22:15 sc4k wrote:
Holy mofokking shit, went to the gym expecting a normal workout straight after getting up out of bed...went for some squats. Met a guy called Mike who took me through some proper shit. It was squats on the smith machine 132-176-220 lbs 12-10-8 reps supersetted with quad extension machine on 200lbs. No particularly hard amounts but seriously, I was DRENCHED head to toe in sweat. Then onto 'walking squats' 176-220lbs 10-8 supersetted with calf raises 220lbs and finishing with a nice 20 reps 132lbs. Did some shoulder work and some hamstring raises after. So motherfucking drained!!!! Omfg, felt like I was going to have a heart attack. Heart rate probably around 190-200 so intense, and stayed like that for awhile! Walking back from the gym I felt like I would literally sink into the ground and melt. Sooo intense .


It sounds like you're in a good mood so I hate to be the one to say this, but your friend Mike didn't really take you through proper shit if he had you squatting in the smith machine and using the quad extension machine... I recommend you read Starting Strength from cover to cover and do the workouts as they're written there.


Thanks for the heads up, I have been meaning to read it on account of everyone here talking about it. He did actually say it was better to use the free bar but he was getting back into leg work after having taken a break from bodybuilding. Still though it properly tired me out hardcore o.O so much more than other workouts I go and do.
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