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AoN.DimSum
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2983 Posts
June 08 2011 20:34 GMT
#6841
On June 09 2011 05:05 Snapplecakes wrote:

Show nested quote +
On June 09 2011 04:06 Catch wrote:

+ Show Spoiler +

@ravencruiser: Don't be scared of working out your legs now

Today I went in to practice/play around with some of the upcoming lifts I will be doing (rack pulls, low incline press/fly, good mornings... wasn't even all of em.) and damn am I tired. I barely made it walking through campus to my car.

Left some blood on the bar
Feelslikeaman.jpeg

Does anybody have any good videos/articles/tips on good mornings? It felt so damn awkward, I'm not sure I was doing it right. I saw the one on elitefts and it seemed somewhat close to that.

Oh and I played around with my stance with dead lift. sJ was right, my feet were too far apart. I'll be bringing them closer together this time :D

I'm not sure if anybody can answer this but... I felt that when my feet were further apart, it placed less stress on my hams/glutes and more on my back. Is this true?





youtube ftw



anyone want to try kang squats? suppose to be really good for hammies
by my idol krokkis : "U better hope Finland wont have WCG next year and that I wont gain shitloads of skill, cause then I will wash ur mouth with soap, little man."
Catch
Profile Joined September 2010
United States616 Posts
June 08 2011 20:36 GMT
#6842
@Majin. I figured. When my legs were closer I felt it in my glutes for once. My glutes/hams are weak as fuuuuuuuu

On June 09 2011 05:05 Snapplecakes wrote:

Show nested quote +
On June 09 2011 04:06 Catch wrote:

+ Show Spoiler +

@ravencruiser: Don't be scared of working out your legs now

Today I went in to practice/play around with some of the upcoming lifts I will be doing (rack pulls, low incline press/fly, good mornings... wasn't even all of em.) and damn am I tired. I barely made it walking through campus to my car.

Left some blood on the bar
Feelslikeaman.jpeg

Does anybody have any good videos/articles/tips on good mornings? It felt so damn awkward, I'm not sure I was doing it right. I saw the one on elitefts and it seemed somewhat close to that.

Oh and I played around with my stance with dead lift. sJ was right, my feet were too far apart. I'll be bringing them closer together this time :D

I'm not sure if anybody can answer this but... I felt that when my feet were further apart, it placed less stress on my hams/glutes and more on my back. Is this true?



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iycq-kJann0

youtube ftw


Thanks, although I normally don't trust youtube videos that much...

Do you know if its necessary to go down so low? In the elitefts video they went to a little more than halfway down...
Victory Loves Preparation
Snapplecakes
Profile Joined May 2011
Norway78 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-08 20:53:19
June 08 2011 20:51 GMT
#6843
well going that far down or "parallel" is essential for the full range of movement and the quality of the excercise
SQUATS AND OATS!
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4733 Posts
June 08 2011 21:02 GMT
#6844
Speed doesn't matter, range of motion is more important. I always did them with pretty light weights, since they are really hard to do with strict form and high weights.
"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
RemedySC
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada176 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-10 03:55:18
June 08 2011 21:37 GMT
#6845
Remedy
Age: 21 || Height: 5'9" or 175cm || Weight: 135lbs
Starting Date: 08/06/2011 || Goal Date: 01/06/2012
Weight goals -- 155lbs-160lbs
Training goals -- Lift more and Run longer/faster
Nutrition goals -- Eat a lot healthier
Misc goals -- Join RCMP (Royal Canadian Mounted Police)

I haven't really tested out my limits yet... I lifted weights casually but never really got too into it, so now I am going to start the SS program.

I have about two months before I run the physical test again, I plan on beating my old time by a lot even though i have been lazy for the past 6-8 months. (Fiancée had my son and it has been crazy.)

If anyone has any advice for progressing faster in running and lifting it would be appreciated! :D
dudeman001
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2412 Posts
June 08 2011 22:06 GMT
#6846
I just wanted to know TL member opinions on this: what do you think of barbell squats vs using a leg press machine?

On June 09 2011 06:37 RemedySC wrote:
If anyone has any advice for progressing faster in running and lifting it would be appreciated! :D

If you want to become a better runner, your training depends on if you're trying to achieve faster short or long distance runs. My best advice would be to imagine a scale with fast, low-rest interval training on one hand (short) and long cardio runs (long) on the other and correspond how much you do of each with how far you want to be running. Running really does break down to practicing sprinting by sprinting and distance with distance. Just remember to use good form!
Sup.
sJarl
Profile Joined September 2010
Iceland1699 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-08 22:42:44
June 08 2011 22:12 GMT
#6847
On the issue of Good Mornings: Feel and form is everything! No use to push the weights high and sacrifice the feel and form. I don't go as low as the girl in the vid does.

@Catch: Good that you feel your hams and glutes with the new stance. In the vid you can, hopefully, see that I prefer a quite narrow stance/girp.
+ Show Spoiler [vid] +


Work has been killing me and lack of sleep is showing. Decided just to do the main excercises and skip the accessories if they went well.

Front Squats: finished with 105kg x 3. Sloppy form though

A quite jacked dude next to me was working up to a squat max and first did a shallow, unstable, 180kg raw lift. Then he loaded up 200kg, went ATG with it, and got a nosebleed as a reward. After my shitty 150kg x 2 warmup I knew I was going to get my workset done.

Deadlift: 185kg x 5. - A nice PR. The last rep was a loooooong grinder but happy as hell I got it

edit: @Dudeman: Squats are so superior that no discussion is needed.
"Witness!" - Karsa Orlong
Copymizer
Profile Joined November 2010
Denmark2107 Posts
June 08 2011 22:47 GMT
#6848
On June 09 2011 01:29 AoN.DimSum wrote:
he never posted in this thread though



btw @copymizer what is handlifting? Is that grip training?

sorry i meant handweights, my bad >.<
~~Yo man ! MBCGame HERO Fighting !! Holy check !
sJarl
Profile Joined September 2010
Iceland1699 Posts
June 08 2011 23:17 GMT
#6849
On June 09 2011 07:47 Copymizer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2011 01:29 AoN.DimSum wrote:
he never posted in this thread though



btw @copymizer what is handlifting? Is that grip training?

sorry i meant handweights, my bad >.<


2,5kg dumbbells are like lightweight You'd be better of joining a gym and learn how to use barbells.

To everyone of you having some bad days:

"Witness!" - Karsa Orlong
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20143 Posts
June 08 2011 23:23 GMT
#6850
On June 09 2011 07:06 dudeman001 wrote:
I just wanted to know TL member opinions on this: what do you think of barbell squats vs using a leg press machine?


I will say this once and only once.


SQUATS are AWESOME
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
AoN.DimSum
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2983 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-08 23:37:36
June 08 2011 23:33 GMT
#6851
On June 09 2011 03:12 Malinor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2011 03:03 AoN.DimSum wrote:
On June 09 2011 02:59 eshlow wrote:
On June 09 2011 02:47 AoN.DimSum wrote:
On June 09 2011 02:34 eshlow wrote:
On June 09 2011 00:01 AoN.DimSum wrote:
On June 08 2011 10:01 eshlow wrote:
On June 08 2011 09:26 AoN.DimSum wrote:
awesome let us know your progress jupiter! I have been reading about high frequency training, I have been trying to put some of the philosophies in my training


Don't burn out.... that's what happend to me.

If you overtrain e.g. crash and burn.. just straight up rest for 2-4 weeks.

Still dealing with the effects of continuing to workout for about a year after crash and burning about 1.5 years after that. It sucks.



Do you have any articles for overtraining? How does someone burn out?

@decaf thanks for links.


http://sportsmedicine.about.com/cs/overtraining/a/aa062499a.htm

Generally, what happened to me when I crashed off the deep end my energy levels went to CRAP. I had to take multiple naps throughout the day, and general feelings of lethargy.

Some of the symptoms of overtraining listed above as well. You will know if you crash off teh deep end though you feel like crap and are tired all the time in general.


I read about when people max out everyday (bulgarian method) they would eventually go through the "dark times" which is when their lifts go to shit. Eventually they would just keep training and they would be fine again. Here it is:
http://www.averagebroz.com/ABG/Q_&_A/Entries/2010/5/28_Central_nervous_system.html

I was wondering what you think about it.

@ravencrusier, with your reasoning, the enormous strain when you bench(or weighted pushups) will make your arms shorter. Is this correct?


You have ot remember that these programs (both the Russians, Bulgarians, and Chinese now) throw tens thousands of lifters into the meat grinders.

The ones that have the recovery capacity to handle it (even with the dark times) will come out on top and be Olympic champs or world record holders. That's like the top .01-.02%. The rest of us will inevitably fail and wreck ourselves with injuries or overtraining or whatever else have you.

So yes, high frequency high intensity can work. For most people it won't and you'll end up overtrained or worse yet injured and out of training completely.

Personally, for those motivated I think it's worth a shot but be very very very wary about listening to your body both in and outside of training sessions and if you start to develop overuse injuries you should back off.



ok thanks. I only train 5 times a week so I dont think it will happen anytime soon haha



Broz let his guys train up to 13x a week he says. So yeah, you probably will be fine^^. I think it will just be interesting to see what his Pat Mendes guy is gonna do at the 2012 olympics. He is basically his only top athlete and to be frank, whenever I found out about some weightlifting contest in the US (mostly through this thread), he had some kind of injury or just didn't participate. His training videos are awe-inspiring, but until now it's just training and never a big stage.


mendes will be lifting at nationals. I read that it is a must qualifier for world weightlifting championships. Im not sure if america will have any slots for the olympics. I think someone has to score points at the next world champs for that to happen lol.

A funny thing happened the last olympics. The american who won the olympic spots for team usa got left off the olympic team.



I agree squats are awesome! leg press is a waste of time.
by my idol krokkis : "U better hope Finland wont have WCG next year and that I wont gain shitloads of skill, cause then I will wash ur mouth with soap, little man."
Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
June 08 2011 23:35 GMT
#6852
Can't have a key to house, mom pissed at me, won't let me go to gym today. It's all bad.

Oh, and fat final and project due tomorrow that I wanted to start at 12:00, but instead dealt with key shit :/
Steeped
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada87 Posts
June 08 2011 23:55 GMT
#6853
On June 09 2011 06:37 RemedySC wrote:
Remedy
Age: 21 || Height: 5'9" or 175cm || Weight: 142lbs
Starting Date: 08/06/2011 || Goal Date: 01/06/2012
Weight goals -- 155lbs-160lbs
Training goals -- Lift more and Run longer/faster
Nutrition goals -- Eat a lot healthier
Misc goals -- Join RCMP (Royal Canadian Mounted Police)

I haven't really tested out my limits yet... I lifted weights casually but never really got too into it, so now I am going to start the SS program.

I have about two months before I run the physical test again, I plan on beating my old time by a lot even though i have been lazy for the past 6-8 months. (Fiancée had my son and it has been crazy.)

If anyone has any advice for progressing faster in running and lifting it would be appreciated! :D

Good man! will help you every way i can.
[Agony]x90
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States853 Posts
June 09 2011 00:22 GMT
#6854
On June 09 2011 07:12 sJarl wrote:
On the issue of Good Mornings: Feel and form is everything! No use to push the weights high and sacrifice the feel and form. I don't go as low as the girl in the vid does.

@Catch: Good that you feel your hams and glutes with the new stance. In the vid you can, hopefully, see that I prefer a quite narrow stance/girp.
+ Show Spoiler [vid] +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6DpXq4XnTE


Work has been killing me and lack of sleep is showing. Decided just to do the main excercises and skip the accessories if they went well.

Front Squats: finished with 105kg x 3. Sloppy form though

A quite jacked dude next to me was working up to a squat max and first did a shallow, unstable, 180kg raw lift. Then he loaded up 200kg, went ATG with it, and got a nosebleed as a reward. After my shitty 150kg x 2 warmup I knew I was going to get my workset done.

Deadlift: 185kg x 5. - A nice PR. The last rep was a loooooong grinder but happy as hell I got it

edit: @Dudeman: Squats are so superior that no discussion is needed.


I don't know if that's you in the video, but please do be careful when deadlifting. You don't want to be hitching the weight. Just keep in mind that good technique will always move the bar better than force :-p.
JF dodger since 2009
sc4k
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United Kingdom5454 Posts
June 09 2011 00:58 GMT
#6855
sJarl 'the burden of moderation' made me lol IRL.
MajinMojo
Profile Joined October 2010
266 Posts
June 09 2011 02:01 GMT
#6856
I'd sit here and whine to you guys about how shitty my workout was today but I'm way too exhausted.

File today under, "Bad days are the best days" ??
AoN.DimSum
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2983 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-09 03:00:09
June 09 2011 02:57 GMT
#6857
http://www.sportivnypress.com/documents/35.html

This is interesting. Basically Mr. Charniga does not like presses or push press for training the jerk. Decaf, what does his workout program look like? I have read some other stuff of his and he definitely does not like partial movements like high pulls and stuff like that.
by my idol krokkis : "U better hope Finland wont have WCG next year and that I wont gain shitloads of skill, cause then I will wash ur mouth with soap, little man."
phyre112
Profile Joined August 2009
United States3090 Posts
June 09 2011 03:07 GMT
#6858
On June 09 2011 09:22 [Agony]x90 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2011 07:12 sJarl wrote:
On the issue of Good Mornings: Feel and form is everything! No use to push the weights high and sacrifice the feel and form. I don't go as low as the girl in the vid does.

@Catch: Good that you feel your hams and glutes with the new stance. In the vid you can, hopefully, see that I prefer a quite narrow stance/girp.
+ Show Spoiler [vid] +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6DpXq4XnTE


Work has been killing me and lack of sleep is showing. Decided just to do the main excercises and skip the accessories if they went well.

Front Squats: finished with 105kg x 3. Sloppy form though

A quite jacked dude next to me was working up to a squat max and first did a shallow, unstable, 180kg raw lift. Then he loaded up 200kg, went ATG with it, and got a nosebleed as a reward. After my shitty 150kg x 2 warmup I knew I was going to get my workset done.

Deadlift: 185kg x 5. - A nice PR. The last rep was a loooooong grinder but happy as hell I got it

edit: @Dudeman: Squats are so superior that no discussion is needed.


I don't know if that's you in the video, but please do be careful when deadlifting. You don't want to be hitching the weight. Just keep in mind that good technique will always move the bar better than force :-p.


Good technique is a subjective term when you're deadlifting - what was it sjarl? 210kg? 220? He knows how to deadlift properly, but when you're approaching your max, it's hard to keep good technique, even when you're a good deadlifter.

Made it to the gym today. 90 degrees F outside, but I had a cold shower afterwards, and it's cooled down now so I feel great.

Bench 125 4x5 (+10 lbs)
Squat 135 3x5 (no increase, worked on depth and form)
Deadlift 200 2x5 (+15 lbs)
Chinups 5-5-3-2 (wanted to hit 15 total; couldn't do it in 3 sets =/)

Then did my planks, jumped rope for a bit (nearly killed me after both squats AND deads) and got out. Picked up two dozen eggs and a gallon of milk, should be enough to last until we go shopping for real on friday =x.

Looking into getting protein powder and creatine while I'm home, because I certainly don't eat enough while I'm here. Where do you guys get these from? any brands you would recommend over others? I don't care about taste, I want the lowest amount of added sugar/flavorings/frills and the best protein for the price. I can drink just about anything.
Catch
Profile Joined September 2010
United States616 Posts
June 09 2011 03:13 GMT
#6859
Thanks for all the advice guys... I won't be going to parallel most likely but close to it. We'll see when I do them again. It feels so damn awkward with a bar
@Dudeman: Squats>Leg presses in most cases. Unless you are extremely tall (I'm going with 6'4 or more but I really don't know) and the leverage will either be bad mechanically or for your form and risks injury, then I say substitute leg presses. There is a guy on another forum I visit who does this and has fine results but he is def. not the norm

@Eshlow. I hate to bother you, but do you still have that study on why dietary fat isn't bad for you? My friend is saying cheese sucks, and I say to hell with that, it ain't that bad.
Victory Loves Preparation
phyre112
Profile Joined August 2009
United States3090 Posts
June 09 2011 03:18 GMT
#6860
On June 09 2011 12:13 Catch wrote:
Thanks for all the advice guys... I won't be going to parallel most likely but close to it. We'll see when I do them again. It feels so damn awkward with a bar
@Dudeman: Squats>Leg presses in most cases. Unless you are extremely tall (I'm going with 6'4 or more but I really don't know) and the leverage will either be bad mechanically or for your form and risks injury, then I say substitute leg presses. There is a guy on another forum I visit who does this and has fine results but he is def. not the norm

@Eshlow. I hate to bother you, but do you still have that study on why dietary fat isn't bad for you? My friend is saying cheese sucks, and I say to hell with that, it ain't that bad.


Rosa and I are both 6'3, and we squat fine. Decaf is almost that height, and he's a baller. The football and basketball teams at my university are made up of guys that make me feel small, and all of them squat - though I will note that they're carefully monitored by trainers and coaches, have very specifically planned routines, and are in great physical condition already, as they are working out/practicing for their respective teams year round. Still, I think you're going to need to be a bit bigger than 6'4 even for it to interfere with squatting.
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